GOP Electability for 2024?

[Veroe]

I'm curious for all the forum's right wingers here. When you start thinking about who will run in 2024 are you considering a candidate that can appeal to not just to the hardcore Republican base but can appeal to more independent voters in order to win the general election too? Also do you consider different ways to present your policies to make them more appealing to independent voters too? For example campaigning on giving parents the say on what schools teach their children over school boards worked remarkably well for Republicans based on how broadly it appealed to all parents not just hardcore Republicans.

These are all electability concerns, something that plagues the left every election cycle, where the last few years Republican voters have rebelled against that way of thinking. Is this the time you're starting to consider them again though?

 

[Lazaran]

I'm curious for all the forum's right wingers here. When you start thinking about who will run in 2024 are you considering a candidate that can appeal to not just to the hardcore Republican base but can appeal to more independent voters in order to win the general election too? Also do you consider different ways to present your policies to make them more appealing to independent voters too? For example campaigning on giving parents the say on what schools teach their children over school boards worked remarkably well for Republicans based on how broadly it appealed to all parents not just hardcore Republicans.

These are all electability concerns, something that plagues the left every election cycle, where the last few years Republican voters have rebelled against that way of thinking. Is this the time you're starting to consider them again

As far as “winning” on issues like what is being taught in schools, the tyrannical minority managed to pass a few laws that are being challenged or struck down in court. Mainly in Florida.

The MAGAts are all in on toxic candidates.

They think the Orange POS, Ron DeSantis, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Gym Jordan, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar, Matt Gaetz, George Santos, etc, etc, etc, etc, are acceptable..

Democrats DID nominate the reasonable moderate / centrist Joe Biden as an olive branch candidate in 2020 and the MAGAts made him out to be an “open borders” far left socialist / communist radical.

Democrats also nominated the reasonable moderate / centrist Hillary Clinton in 2016 and the MAGAts made her out to be a murderous child sex trafficker headquartered in the basement of a pizza joint..

Meanwhile, the MAGAts doubled down (will triple down???) on a proven corrupt, lying, cheating, misogynistic racist.

GMAFB

SAD!!!

 

[oggbashan]

Thye trouble with both parties is that their manifestos are designed to appeal to their core supporters and ignore the undecided.

Too many peopla are put off by the extreme policies and would prefer to vote for 'none of the above'.

It is not just a US phenomenon. In the UK and Europe many political parties do the same. They write their manifestos for the extreme supporters and wonder why voters have to hold their noses when they vote.

But in practice we know, or hope we know, that the more extreme policies will never be implemented. But they could be. An example is Scotland's new gender law. The bulk of the public are against it but the SNP and Labour had a majority in the Scottish Parliament and pushed it through knowing that there is fierce opposition to it. They might regret it at the next election because it has annoyed so many Scots women.

 

[Lazaran]

Thye trouble with both parties is that their manifestos are designed to appeal to their core supporters and ignore the undecided.

Too many peopla are put off by the extreme policies and would prefer to vote for 'none of the above'.

It is not just a US phenomenon. In the UK and Europe many political parties do the same. They write their manifestos for the extreme supporters and wonder why voters have to hold their noses when they vote.

But in practice we know, or hope we know, that the more extreme policies will never be implemented. But they could be.

You need to familiarize yourself with the recent Democratic nominees for President.

Including Obama.

They all offered a reasonably moderate / centrist platform.

And those who became President Governed like moderates / centrists.

Including Obama.

Republicans???

Not so much.

 

[oggbashan]

You need to familiarize yourself with the recent Democratic nominees for President.

Including Obama.

They all offered a reasonably moderate / centrist platform.

And those who became President Governed like moderates / centrists.

Including Obama.

Republicans???

Not so much.

I know. But their declared policies were not centrist.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm curious for all the forum's right wingers here. When you start thinking about who will run in 2024 are you considering a candidate that can appeal to not just to the hardcore Republican base but can appeal to more independent voters in order to win the general election too? Also do you consider different ways to present your policies to make them more appealing to independent voters too? For example campaigning on giving parents the say on what schools teach their children over school boards worked remarkably well for Republicans based on how broadly it appealed to all parents not just hardcore Republicans.

These are all electability concerns, something that plagues the left every election cycle, where the last few years Republican voters have rebelled against that way of thinking. Is this the time you're starting to consider them again though?

No, the main concern among informed voters is whether or not the FBI and the government are going to be interfering in the next election as they have the last three.

 

[jaF0]

Ask me again in December '24.


If I'm still alive, which I hope not to be.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, the main concern among informed voters is whether or not the FBI and the government are going to be interfering in the next election as they have the last three.

Can you offer up any proof?
Hell you were virtually stating the Republicans were going to sweep those bad ole Democrats out of office. But here we are, 6 seats from majority is not a sweep....and no sign of fraud, well except for that idiot from New York state.

 

[Lazaran]

I know. But their declared policies were not centrist.

They actually were.

All of them campaigned as center-left at “worst?” “best?”.

Many on the true “left” view / viewed them as “Neo-Cons”.

Of course the RWCJ portrays / portrayed them as “far left radicals”.

Far-left and the RWCJ

 

[Veroe]

No, the main concern among informed voters is whether or not the FBI and the government are going to be interfering in the next election as they have the last three.

OK that's one in the NO column.

And I figured some on the left would answer my question, but I'm not really interested in thier perspective since I generally share it. I wanted to get a sense of how those on the right are thinking about it instead.

 

[Lazaran]

Ironically, not a single person on “the left” commented in this thread.

 

[YDB95]

OK that's one in the NO column.

And I figured some on the left would answer my question, but I'm not really interested in thier perspective since I generally share it. I wanted to get a sense of how those on the right are thinking about it instead.

That's why I didn't answer.
Of course, in my experience, right-wingers tend to believe about 80% of the country agrees with them, all evidence to the contrary.

 

[ishtat]

The easy way to answer the op's question is to pick a known person and advocate their case long and loud. The smart way for the GOP might be to take an objective stance and design a candidate.

For example: Male, 40 to 55 age. White. No Washington experience. Some Service/Military experience. Well educated but not another lawyer. Married to a minority woman. Nominally, some sort of Christian or Jewish. Tall, reasonably handsome, glib, smiles a lot, oozes integrity and sincerity. Someone competent people will work for.

Does such a person exist? Does such a person exist who the GOP could draft - I'm assuming none of the usual suspects is even close to electable.

 

[BluesDriver66]

You can't make chicken soup from chicken shit. They have no policies that help average Americans. Tax breaks for the rich and fear of science and minorities is all they have.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm an independent, and definitely not MAGA, but OF COURSE one of those Republicans could win. You never know what might happen. Trump would have been reelected had it not been for COVID.

People need to put aside their own political biases and just face the facts. It's a sharply divided country, full of cranky voters. Things are unpredictable.

Plus, the two most likely Democratic candidates in 2024, Biden and Harris, are weak. Biden is aging, visibly, and Harris's public utterances often are a bizarre word salad jumble. She seems to have lost favor with Biden. I think Ron DeSantis, regardless of what I or anyone else personally thinks of him or his policies, handily would beat either one of them.

 

[JohnEngelman]

No, the main concern among informed voters is whether or not the FBI and the government are going to be interfering in the next election as they have the last three.

Those are only concerns for those who believe in bizarre conspiracy theories. In 2020 Trump lost fair and square, and good and hard. The Republican Supreme Court, with three justices nominated by Trump, affirmed the honesty of the 2020 presidential election.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You can't make chicken soup from chicken shit. They have no policies that help average Americans. Tax breaks for the rich and fear of science and minorities is all they have.

There is reason to fear minorities that have sky high crime rates. Democrat politicians lose elections by claiming that these fears are nothing more than the result of irrational color prejudice.

Of course, Jews and Orientals have low crime rates. White Gentiles who fear them fear that they cannot compete with them in the class room and on the job.

Anti racists ignore scientific evidence of a strong relationship between gene alleles, intelligence, crime and race. Worse yet, they try to suppress the evidence and to punish those who draw attention to it.

 

[ll74]

There is reason to fear minorities that have sky high crime rates. Democrat politicians lose elections by claiming that these fears are nothing more than the result of irrational color prejudice.

Of course, Jews and Orientals have low crime rates. White Gentiles who fear them fear that they cannot compete with them in the class room and on the job.

Anti racists ignore scientific evidence of a strong relationship between gene alleles, intelligence, crime and race. Worse yet, they try to suppress the evidence and to punish those who draw attention to it.

Run away and hide..the blacks are coming.

Lol.

You deserve to be afraid

 

[JohnEngelman]

Ironically, not a single person on “the left” commented in this thread.

I commented after you wrote this. I am a registered Democrat. I have only voted for two Republicans in my life. For me the choice is Democrat, or none of the above. I am fairly conservative on social issues, but I am liberal on economic and environmental issues.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Run away and hide..the blacks are coming.

Lol.

You deserve to be afraid

I am not afraid of you. I fear reasoned rebuttals of my arguments, not the obscene words, name calling, and ad hominem insults, which are all you are capable of.

I do not deserve to be a victim of black criminals, but I have been. Are you claiming that I deserved to be a victim of black criminals?

As I have pointed out earlier, Jesse Jackson shares my fear of black criminals.




Blacks have reason to be afraid of each other. This is why:

 

[JohnEngelman]

Republicans need to abandon support for tax cuts for the rich to be paid for by de funding popular middle class entitlements.

Democrats need to abandon support for de funding the police, reparations, and affirmative action.

 

[ll74]

I am not afraid of you. I fear reasoned rebuttals of my arguments, not the obscene words, name calling, and ad hominem insults, which are all you are capable of.

I do not deserve to be a victim of black criminals, but I have been. Are you claiming that I deserved to be a victim of black criminals?

I never said you were afraid of me. You're afraid of blacks and you deserve to be.

You're a victim of your own racism

 

[JohnEngelman]

I never said you were afraid of me. You're afraid of blacks and you deserve to be.

You're a victim of your own racism

Why do I deserve to be afraid of blacks?

By your definition of "racism" a racist is someone who recognizes the truth about black social pathology.

Did I deserve to be a victim of black criminals? That is a yes or no question. Answer it.

What have I said about the Negro race that is not true? Post it. Let's discuss it.

 

[ll74]

Why do I deserve to be afraid of blacks?

By your definition of "racism" a racist is someone who recognizes the truth about black social pathology.

Did I deserve to be a victim of black criminals? That is a yes or no question. Answer it.

What have I said about the Negro race that is not true? Post it. Let's discuss it.

That's your definition of racism. I've given you mine multiple times and you ignore it and lie about it to serve your own bullshit.

I never mentioned crime. You deserve to be afraid because of your racism and you are a victim to it. Other people have nothing to do with that.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm curious for all the forum's right wingers here. When you start thinking about who will run in 2024 are you considering a candidate that can appeal to not just to the hardcore Republican base but can appeal to more independent voters in order to win the general election too? Also do you consider different ways to present your policies to make them more appealing to independent voters too? For example campaigning on giving parents the say on what schools teach their children over school boards worked remarkably well for Republicans based on how broadly it appealed to all parents not just hardcore Republicans.

These are all electability concerns, something that plagues the left every election cycle, where the last few years Republican voters have rebelled against that way of thinking. Is this the time you're starting to consider them again though?

I think that in the case of both parties trying to appeal to indy voters or even some people on the other side who are disgruntled with their party is a thing of the past. The media, both social and mainstream and the politicians themselves have succeeded in a complete divide to where its us and them in concrete. If you're a democrat for example and mention, well you know this GOP candidate has some points, you're life is over, you will be crucified in every way...same the other way

Parties now just keep fueling the hate and fear indicative to their base and that's all they both feel they need to do. The GOP who are not full out right wing face the risk of dividing the party if they don't ride along and same for the left with needing to cater to the progressive loons instead of kicking them to the curb. Again, fault media for making it seem the right and left wing nuts speak for the entire party and base.

Looking to 2024 my distant hope is Gabbard toes the line between the left and right and continued to give both sides shit, runs as an indy and maybe in another year there's enough people fed the fuck up with these two clownshows to vote in another direction, but as I said, that's a distant hope. In general we're simply fucked.