GOP Debate: Third Time's the Charm.

[Joe Wordsworth]

A few beers... delivery... fresh shower... comfy bathrobe... and I'm settled in to watch the GOP debate.

Wolf Blitzer actually made Romney suck it in the first five minutes.

This is mega-sweet.

(go Ron go)

 

[S-Des]

I'll keep half an eye on it, but it's not going to be interesting until it gets down to 3 or 4 candidates. It's good to hear the low-tier guys, but since they're not going to get elected, they're just fodder for discussion. No one is going to say anything specific until there is time to pin them down, which you can't do with so many people on stage. Until then it's all platitudes and cute comments (that you know were fed to them by speech writers who we'll never know about).

 

[S-Des]

Wow, I take that back. Tancredo just bitch-slapped GWB. Good for you, Senator!

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Brownback: "Pro Life is who we are, as a party."

Wolf: "If Mayor Guiliani got the nomination, would you support him?"

Brownback: "I think the GOP will say 'Fuck Guiliani."

Me: "Oooooooooooooh snap!"

(sorta paraphrased)

 

[English Lady]

Brownback: "Pro Life is who we are, as a party."

Wolf: "If Mayor Guiliani got the nomination, would you support him?"

Brownback: "I think the GOP will say 'Fuck Guiliani."

Me: "Oooooooooooooh snap!"

(sorta paraphrased)

I have no clue as to what you're on about, but you're cute when you're tipsy.

 

[S-Des]

Brownback: "Pro Life is who we are, as a party."

Wolf: "If Mayor Guiliani got the nomination, would you support him?"

Brownback: "I think the GOP will say 'Fuck Guiliani."

Me: "Oooooooooooooh snap!"

(sorta paraphrased)

Said by Brownback, the guy who has a slightly lower chance at securing the nomination than I do.


Nice paraphrasing btw.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Romney: "The English language is what ties us together. We need to keep English as our official language."

Wolf: "Don't you have commercials in Spanish? And a website where your son speaks in Spanish, the website being--in fact--in Spanish?"

Romney: "Sure. That's true. I don't hate immigrants."

McCain: "Hey Mitt."

Romney: "Yeah John?"

McCain (in Spanish): "You suck dicks."

Me: "Awwwww, No He DI'INT!!!"

(sorta paraphrased)

 

[S-Des]

Hunter: I think the guy who has the most influence on these three (McCain, Guliani, & Romney) is Ted Kennedy. We need to get away from the Kennedy wing of our party. *applause*

Me: Ouch!


(didn't need to paraphrase)

 

[Huckleman2000]

ROFL! I think Joe's live-blogging is probably much better than the event itself.

btw, Ron Paul was on the Daily Show last night, and was very good!

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

ROFL! I think Joe's live-blogging is probably much better than the event itself.

btw, Ron Paul was on the Daily Show last night, and was very good!

I am drinking and doing politics. Almost as good as pussy.

I /did/ see Paul on The Daily Show, too. I sent him $2300. Only candidate I've ever donated money to. Where many of the candidates will hump the US and then roll over and go to sleep, Paul wil fuck it... good and deep... that way it /needs/ to be fucked. He will sink inch after inch of liberty into that quivering wet citizinry and grind and slap and make it alllll his. And there will be a deep sense of satisfaction after that initial pain. And it will be good.

 

[English Lady]

I am drinking and doing politics. Almost as good as pussy.

I /did/ see Paul on The Daily Show, too. I sent him $2300. Only candidate I've ever donated money to. Where many of the candidates will hump the US and then roll over and go to sleep, Paul wil fuck it... good and deep... that way it /needs/ to be fucked. He will sink inch after inch of liberty into that quivering wet citizinry and grind and slap and make it alllll his. And there will be a deep sense of satisfaction after that initial pain. And it will be good.

I love it when you talk dirty.

 

[Pure]

i saw a bit of it: a couple impressions:

romney came off well; hadn't seen him before.

much republican puffery around two (intended) bogus themes:

'we are the party of small government' 'we want the gov out of people's lives,' etc.

'we believe in an offensive against terrorism; dems are defensive.'

i suppose these are focus tested and traditional.

lastly, the amount of support for the Iraq war and bush was a little startling; mc cain did speak of 'mismanaged' but tried to sound like now maybe there'd be a turnaroudn. i suppose the WH is going to demand loyalty here. my prediction is that mc cain esp is going to fuck himself on this one,. mc cain also is the spokesperson for the immigration bill-hodge podge. the reps are going to get hosed here; interestingly Romney made some sense.
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The crack about Ted Kennedy was cute, linking him to McCain etc. But it sounded feeble, like an attempt to get the rural W and Southern peanut gallery. I don't see this alleged 'conservatism' going anywhere.
As one person put it, "Reagan conservativism" sells to the independents [so that's what's desirable]. NOTE to all; reagan was the first of the big government, big deficit 'conservatives' who cared not a fig for civil liberties; same ball park as GWB, though possessed of charm and social skills and "communication ability". what to call these folks: "military industrial conservatives" or "supreme executive power conservatives".

 

[john-the-author]

iThe crack about Ted Kennedy was cute, linking him to McCain etc. But it sounded feeble, like an attempt to get the rural W and Southern peanut gallery. I don't see this alleged 'conservatism' going anywhere.
As one person put it, "Reagan conservativism" sells to the independents [so that's what's desirable]. NOTE to all; reagan was the first of the big government, big deficit 'conservatives' who cared not a fig for civil liberties; same ball park as GWB, though possessed of charm and social skills and "communication ability". what to call these folks: "military industrial conservatives" or "supreme executive power conservatives".

"Christian fascists" works really well.

I saw Ron Paul on the Daily Show myself and I can understand why he's getting so much support. I think he still suffers from some classic Republican attitudes of blaming the poor, but I did like a lot of what he had to say. If he walks the talk, he might not be as bad as some of the other demagogues we've got on the Republican side. He's still a Republican and a Texan, both of which are bad, but we've seen far worse.

I haven't seen a Democratic candidate I'm strongly in favor of. Barrack Obama is an intelligent and articulate candidate and would probably do a brilliant job; unfortunately, we've seen time and again how the intelligent candidate does not win votes in this country. Hillary's fine with me, but there is such a vitriolic hatred of her by so many people (which I'm still trying to understand, btw; few people ever ripped Nancy Reagan in the same way and she really >was< running the country at times) that she'd be a bad candidate. Might be a good president, though. No-one else has really presented themself yet, but it's early.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

See, I got with Ron Paul because he's a very known quantity that practices exactly what everyone preaches and then some. His voting record (for 10 congressional terms, mind you) is incredible.

Smaller government, less taxes, less bureaucracy, and the reasons /why/ he wants to do things are always rooted in science (probably because he's a doctor), philosophy (he refers to economic theorists and academic leaders a /lot/), and Constitutionalism.

Like... he's very Christian and pro-life and whatnot, but says--just like a proper rational and educated man--things like "The Founders intended on a strongly secular government, and religion to be free to entrench itself in the spiritual lives of people". He's said that, and things like it, when asked about abortion and all sorts of things with a religious-right bent. I respect that he considers himself a citizen AND a politician and requires a division between them only on professional decisions.

Like, when the Democrats said for years "We MUST get out of Iraq" and then said "Vote us in, we'll get us out" kind of stuff... but then roll over for government power-in-bureaucracy. That's pretty common of all politicians. Paul's record makes him the only one I trust when he says "We /have/ to leave"--as a function of probability that he'll actually do it.

Honest man, it seems.

I don't like some of his policies, but I feel that's just because I was raised to believe in a large government that takes care of all the big stuff at a federal level. The more I look into it, the more I'm convinced that they're things that can be done at the state level... and many that don't need to be done at all.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

See, I got with Ron Paul because he's a very known quantity that practices exactly what everyone preaches and then some. His voting record (for 10 congressional terms, mind you) is incredible.

Smaller government, less taxes, less bureaucracy, and the reasons /why/ he wants to do things are always rooted in science (probably because he's a doctor), philosophy (he refers to economic theorists and academic leaders a /lot/), and Constitutionalism.

Like... he's very Christian and pro-life and whatnot, but says--just like a proper rational and educated man--things like "The Founders intended on a strongly secular government, and religion to be free to entrench itself in the spiritual lives of people". He's said that, and things like it, when asked about abortion and all sorts of things with a religious-right bent. I respect that he considers himself a citizen AND a politician and requires a division between them only on professional decisions.

Like, when the Democrats said for years "We MUST get out of Iraq" and then said "Vote us in, we'll get us out" kind of stuff... but then roll over for government power-in-bureaucracy. That's pretty common of all politicians. Paul's record makes him the only one I trust when he says "We /have/ to leave"--as a function of probability that he'll actually do it.

Honest man, it seems.

I don't like some of his policies, but I feel that's just because I was raised to believe in a large government that takes care of all the big stuff at a federal level. The more I look into it, the more I'm convinced that they're things that can be done at the state level... and many that don't need to be done at all.

Ron Paul is a strange mix of Christian conservative and quasi-Libertarian, which I find intriguing. I just worry about which side of him would dominate while in office, in the unlikely event that he had the chance to govern. Would he cozy up to the Howard Phillips crowd, or would he really practice true Libertarian government? That's what I want to know.

Being a pagan and a secularist, I don't apply a religious litmus test to candidates, but I do worry about the religious right a great deal. I am waiting to see how Ron Paul acts in the future.