God is dead. There is no point to this, not really.

[KillerMuffin]

Just felt like sharing with someone. God is dead for me. I have just lost whatever christianity I ever possessed. Nothing quite like losing a religion, it's not nearly as bad as I'd thought it would be.

I've listened and read the christian rhetoric and bible for years. I've followed it to the letter, with joy and thanksgiving in my heart. In return for my devout slavery to the professed "God of Love" I've had nothing but trouble.

The final straw was when the StudMuffin told me that he brought all of his physical ailments upon himself through his sinning against God. Um, sure. Then he looked to me as if to say that I wouldn't be epileptic if I weren't a sinner. The chruch he belongs to, Assemblies of God, believe that way. People have their physical ailments because their sins stand between them and the Lord.

I'd rather roast in hell than serve such a POS God as that. That isn't love. I re-read Job again, this time without the Christian blinders. Good freaking god what happened to that man all over some stupid divine pissing contest.

Anyway, I think I'll go get drunk now, or at least have some caffeine. I'm a sinner you know, you can tell cause I have epilepsy.

Don't bother lighting a candle Sam, don't bother praying Todd. See, God is dead.

Now I just have to break it to the "I'm going to be a minister" StudMuffin. *sigh*

 

[CreamyLady]

Want a chai latte instead?

Not that it really solves anything, but forget Job -- what a dirge -- and read Ruth instead. About women, and loyalty, and sunshine. It's such a sane book. I often wondered how the heck it was included.

 

[Angel]

Religion and Other Stuff

You really don't have to follow what a church or what any other human being says to be religious. Follow what you believe in the way that works for you. If God doesn't then study up on other traditions and cultures and beliefs, or form your own. You don't even really have to define it by the terms that already exist. Don't let another person ruin what works for you. Personally I have given up on defining my belief systems. I was raised Catholic and to me all of the do's and don'ts and rules were too constricting and I had alot of bad experiences. I tried Wicca, mostly because it was the closest thing to my own personal beliefs, but again the rules are just too confining and it's further from my beliefs than I realized. I guess you could call me a semi-pagan agnostic humanist, but that doesn't completely fit either. Basically all I can say is fuck everyone, and follow your heart.


Hey if all else fails, and you're up for some religious humor, go to
http://www.selectsmart.com/RELIGION

My top picks were Pagan, Agnostic, Humanist, NewAge and Liberal Quaker LOL.

Or you and I can get together and form our own religion worshipping Beer and Bacardi.

 

[jcgirl]

Im sorry but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. Who the hell believes in that shit? Pure crappola. How do they explain the children born with illness, disease, or those that never make it that far? Horshit is what I say. Freaking horshit. i hate closeminded crap like that. Makes me see red.

 

[CreamyLady]

Well, jcgirl, theodicy is a very sticky point for many theologians, and it is generally where we end up with the phrase, "It is the will of God."

Not very logical at all, but faith and logic are strange bedfellows anyway.

 

[Weird Harold]

Just felt like sharing with someone. God is dead for me. I have just lost whatever christianity I ever possessed. Nothing quite like losing a religion, it's not nearly as bad as I'd thought it would be.

I've listened and read the christian rhetoric and bible for years. I've followed it to the letter, with joy and thanksgiving in my heart. In return for my devout slavery to the professed "God of Love" I've had nothing but trouble.

I tell people I'm a "pantheistic agnostic" when asked about religion.

Don't let the views of a narrow-minded organized religion shake your personal relationship with God.

I'm not trying to "preach" at you or pray for your lost soul. However, if you were comfortable with "whatever Christianity I ever possesed," and losing it troubles you, then don't lose it. Change it until it fits you comfortably again.

I believe that every Religion started from some kernel of "Truth," but like the blind men and the elephant, they misinterpreted it. Once they organized, they compounded things by ignoring other kernels of "truth" and espousing their "revelation" as the only "truth."

You've just seen a part of the light. Take the "good" things from what you've been taught, and search out the good things from other viewpoints. Create your own personal religion and live your life as "good" as you can.

BTW, God isn't dead, he's still resting. If you accept the correct translation of the seven "days" of creation as seven "periods of time", we're still in the seventh "day" of creation.

 

[Bigdog]

Dog logic

My dog Riley has epilepsy. Since all dogs go to Heaven, she can't be a sinner. Ergo, neither are you KM.

Embrace the simplicity of dog logic.

 

[Madame Pandora]

BTW, God isn't dead, he's still resting. If you accept the correct translation of the seven "days" of creation as seven "periods of time", we're still in the seventh "day" of creation.

Hey - could you enlighten us on this one, sugar. I've never heard that before, and that just concept intrigues the hell out of me.

MP

 

[Angel]

BTW, God isn't dead, he's still resting. If you accept the correct translation of the seven "days" of creation as seven "periods of time", we're still in the seventh "day" of creation.

Hey - could you enlighten us on this one, sugar. I've never heard that before, and that just concept intrigues the hell out of me.

MP

I also would like to know. I've heard it a few times before, but I am unsure exactly where. (It also makes more sense ::grins:

 

[Todd]

BTW, God isn't dead, he's still resting. If you accept the correct translation of the seven "days" of creation as seven "periods of time", we're still in the seventh "day" of creation.

Hey - could you enlighten us on this one, sugar. I've never heard that before, and that just concept intrigues the hell out of me.

MP

me too, I haven't found that in any pagan or christian threology books that I have read, and I have read some doozies on the subject.

 

[Weird Harold]

Hey - could you enlighten us on this one, sugar. I've never heard that before, and that just concept intrigues the hell out of me.

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it before, because it's a personal theory of mine.

If you accept the creation as described in Genesis as being "periods of time" instead of literal "days," it sets out the sequence of events in pretty much the same order as proponents of the Big Bang and Evolution do.

I don't recall the names of all the divisions for the various periods as defined by the "evolutionists" and I've seen differing definitions of just what each period encompasses. The one thing that struck me was that whatever and whoever defined the periods, there were six of them prior to the advent of civilization. The logical assumption, (to me at least,) was that the current time is the seventh period by default. Ergo, we are still in the seventh "day" of creation, and since God rested on the seventh day, his rest isn't over yet.

 

[jcgirl]

I never liked that phrase "its gods will" Please. It never made me feel better

 

[CreamyLady]

Probably not, and depending on just how much Rolling Rock He's consumed, tomorrow morning is going to be a bitch.

 

[CreamyLady]

I never liked that phrase "its gods will" Please. It never made me feel better

I don't think it ever made anybody feel better. That was my point.

 

[Angel]

Theories of WH (Can I call you Weird or Harold for Short? )

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it before, because it's a personal theory of mine.

If you accept the creation as described in Genesis as being "periods of time" instead of literal "days," it sets out the sequence of events in pretty much the same order as proponents of the Big Bang and Evolution do.

I don't recall the names of all the divisions for the various periods as defined by the "evolutionists" and I've seen differing definitions of just what each period encompasses. The one thing that struck me was that whatever and whoever defined the periods, there were six of them prior to the advent of civilization. The logical assumption, (to me at least,) was that the current time is the seventh period by default. Ergo, we are still in the seventh "day" of creation, and since God rested on the seventh day, his rest isn't over yet.

Well I never heard it put in detail like that, But I'd heard the theory around that it was not seven DAYS, that it was Seven Periods of time, and that days was just a metaphor or somesuch.

I'm like surfing through files on 2 computers and through notebooks I have, trying to figure out where I'd heard it before.

(Maybe Weird Harold is secretly God, and is resting here at Literotica, cuz we're all so cool )

 

[jcgirl]

I never liked that phrase "its gods will" Please. It never made me feel better

I don't think it ever made anybody feel better. That was my point.

whats sad, is that as I am a catholic, part of me believes it

 

[Angel]

whats sad, is that as I am a catholic, part of me believes it [/B]

Do you really believe it, or have you been conditioned to believe it. Or do you NOT believe it, but deep down have a fear that it's true. I was raised Roman Catholic and had that shoved down my throat everytime we were too broke to eat, and had no money for clothes, or someone in my family ended up in jail. and you know when I got on my own I figured out it was MY will that got me into a position to make enough money to live comfortably, and MY will that kept me from turning into a miscreant. So I figured that MY will was what would effect and change and create what happened in my life. So far, I've been right. And if something terrible happens to me that I can't control, I still don't believe it was the will of some Greater Being, and that I can use my will and drive to fix it or at least make it better. It's just proof to me that we're mortal, and that we are not perfect. (Well I mean, Omar Epps..is perfect....erm.. sorry.)

 

[jcgirl]

Honestly?

I think I have been conditioned to believe it,And not really believe it, but deep down have a fear that it's true

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: Theories of WH (Can I call you Weird or Harold for Short? )

that it was Seven Periods of time, and that days was just a metaphor or somesuch.

I'm like surfing through files on 2 computers and through notebooks I have, trying to figure out where I'd heard it before.

(Maybe Weird Harold is secretly God, and is resting here at Literotica, cuz we're all so cool )

There is a footnote in _The New English Version_(?) bible that says (approximately The term translated as "days" was used as a generic reference to a passage of time.

I'm not sure if that's the correct version, because I gave my daughter my copy of _The Layman's Parallel Bible_ which has four translations side by side. A very intersting way to read the Bible, BTW.

If I were God, I would scarcely admit it. Now would I?

 

[Angel]

Re: Honestly?

I think I have been conditioned to believe it,And not really believe it, but deep down have a fear that it's true

I understand completely...I don't believe in anything I read in the bible. I don't believe in God or a Higher Being. I don't believe in a pantheon of gods and goddesses. I don't believe in any Higher Being at all. I don't believe in the threefold law that Wicca teaches. Yet deep down there is a fear once in awhile that they are true. That the ideas had to have come from somewhere. I'll take what Weird Harold said earlier about everything stemming from a "Truth". I feel that that may be correct and that it was just skewed, twisted and redone to fit into specific religions to control people. Personally I believe organized religion is hogwash. It's too complicated. The "Truth", if there is one has to be much simpler.


(Sorry, I tend to go off on tangents when discussing religious topics. I love it though! Thanks for the thread and the great conversations!)

 

[Angel]

God?

Originally posted by Weird Harold
If I were God, I would scarcely admit it. Now would I?

Hey, I would!

 

[jcgirl]

Thats it! Angel's God. Lit found God. Whos gonna call the tabloids? hehehaha

 

[Madame Pandora]

Grrrr...Harold

Just like you, Harold. Say something interesting and set my mind to buzzing.

I have never heard of the seven periods of time used as a term, but that's good stuff. Now I have to look into this. Grrr...Harold.

All I remember on this is from a questionable source to say the least. There is a scene in Inherit the Wind (Ahhh...Spencer Tracey...they don't make 'em like that no more)where Henry Drummond has Brady on the stand and backs him into a corner. He gets him to admit that God created first the sun, and then the heavens, and the firaments...and yadda yadda yadda. But, it wasn't until the third day that God put them all together and created night and day, seasons and such. So, without our understanding of days to go by, those first two "days" could have been millions of years. This made evolution acceptable enough for the Scopes-Monkey trials.

I would very much like to read anything that takes that argument one step further into the 7th day. So...Harold...thanks for the homework ;-P

MP

 

[Angel]

If I was GOD, I would Say.......

Thats it! Angel's God. Lit found God. Whos gonna call the tabloids? hehehaha

Yes, I am God. Now please go buy me some Sausage Biscuit with Eggs, 2 Hashbrowns, and a coffee. Don't forget the grape jelly. I promise I'll re-do men, since I seem to have fucked up half of them when I made them.

Sorry my fellow women. Forgive me?

 

[CreamyLady]

Angel makes a valid point. Bad things don't happen because it is God's will, or to test you, or because you've been bad.

Bad things just happen. Excrement occurs.

Theodicy -- the justification of evil -- is a philosophical swamp. There is no way that anyone can justify the presence of evil with a merciful, omniscient, and all-powerful God. If evil is bad, and God is good, God cannot tolerate evil. God knows everything, including the fact that children are innocent. Why would God allow an innocent to suffer? If God is all powerful and all good, again -- what the hell is evil doing here? God is all-powerful, after all. God can stomp it out.

That is why one hears the lame "It is God's will" when something happens. There just isn't any stronger argument.