Go Dubya Go!

[Lost Cause]

About fuckin' time....

MILWAUKEE - President George W. Bush said Tuesday his administration will work with U.S. allies toward ending a stalemate over the International Criminal Court that jeopardizes the U.S. peacekeeping mission in Bosnia. But he said he won't budge in his opposition to the new court.


"We'll try to work out the impasse, but the one thing we're not going to do is sign on to this International Criminal Court," Bush said during a tour of a local church to promote his domestic agenda.

The United States faces criticism from across the globe for threatening to end United Nations peacekeeping missions in Bosnia and elsewhere unless U.S. peacekeepers are exempt from prosecution by the international war-crimes tribunal.

More than 100 countries (SUCKERS!-L.C.) celebrated the birth Monday of the International Criminal Court as a milestone for global justice and vowed not to let U.S. opposition sabotage the tribunal's mission to deter and prosecute war criminals.

The U.S. government maintains that the court would put American soldiers and civilians at risk of prosecution under laws that are outside America's control, calling the court a potential violation of U.S. sovereignty.

"As the United States works to bring peace around the world our diplomats and/or soldiers can be drug into the court. That's very troubling," Bush said.

His spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said other U.S. allies have negotiated immunity for their soldiers and civilians under the court — something the United States can't do because it doesn't belong to the group.

Fleischer said it was unclear whether the United States would be able to break the logjam with its allies.

Though the dispute is jeopardizing U.S. participation in the Bosnian peacekeeping mission, Fleischer said, "The president thinks it is a vital matter of principle to protect American men and women peacekeepers ... the United States has a lot at risk."

Fleischer said it is "absolutely not" Bush's intention to use the dispute as an excuse to pull out of the peacekeeping mission.

Fuck the rest! -L.C.

 

[p_p_man]

From Lost Cause's post

"As the United States works to bring peace around the world our diplomats and/or soldiers can be drug into the court. That's very troubling," Bush said."


Freudian slip George?

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Copied from KillerMuffin's post:

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Originally posted by REDWAVE
Interesting that the U.S., Russia, and China are united in opposition to this one. It's rare those three countries all agree.
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Interesting but not unexpected.

All three countries have the same particular reason for not allowing international criminals be tried in an international court.

The USA, because of Bush's 'war' against terrorism will have to surrender the 'alledged' al Qaida and Taleban prisoners she is holding and subject them to a proper trial with all the correct procedures that such trials bring to courts of law. Bush won't want that. It will take his 'revenge' factor away from him.

The same for the Russians and their terrorists in Chechnya. Russia will want to retain the right to treat them in any way she feels appropriate. And likewise for China with her 'dissidents' who, at the moment can be accused of trumped up charges involving international criminality.

All three countries want to retain the right to change, twist or amend any present laws they have governing international criminals, because all three countries are notorious in bending the law any way they feel like bending it, paying only lip service to correct procedural matters. Witness the ongoing debate of the prisoners held on Cuba.

The formation of the ICC has created yet another rift between America and Europe with Tony Blair trying to act as peacemaker between the two. As the only assurance he can give the USA is that the ICC will not supercede national law he's not likely to gain much headway with Bush.

To me that can only be a good thing. The more America goes head to head with Europe over various issues the more he will be forced to come to terms with the fact that it is the European Union he should be concentrating on and not Bush.

ppman"

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

I think it is safer to say that having thrown off the yoke of European oppression once, the United States is still not eager to have it placed upon her shoulders again.

You have tried to cow us by force of arms, now you attempt to bribe us with dreams of Utopia. I say build your better mousetrap first, demonstrate that it is indeed Utopia, and then we'll come running to the trap...

 

[p_p_man]

I think it is safer to say that having thrown off the yoke of European oppression once, the United States is still not eager to have it placed upon her shoulders again.

You have tried to cow us by force of arms, now you attempt to bribe us with dreams of Utopia. I say build your better mousetrap first, demonstrate that it is indeed Utopia, and then we'll come running to the trap...

HA!

When America can come to terms with the fact that we let you win that pitiful uprising which you grandly call the 'War' of Independence the better.

There was no point in putting all our efforts into a small group of upstart colonialists, most of which didn't speak English, when we had much bigger fish to fry.

Like keeping the French from gaining the upper hand in India...

 

[brokenbrainwave]

HA!

When America can come to terms with the fact that we let you win that pitiful uprising which you grandly call the 'War' of Independence the better.

There was no point in putting all our efforts into a small group of upstart colonialists, most of which didn't speak English, when we had much bigger fish to fry.

Like keeping the French from gaining the upper hand in India...

please man, at your age, smoking crack has to be dangerous for your health!

while it is no hidden mystery that the War of Independence was more lost by the British than won by the militia men, it still doesn't change the fact your now our bitches

 

[p_p_man]

it still doesn't change the fact your now our bitches

"Ohhhhhh, Europe is a-coming when she comes,
Europe is a-coming when she comes,
The good old USA has had it's hapless day,
Europe is a-coming when she comes"

Altogether now...

"Ohhhhhh Europe is..."

 

[brokenbrainwave]

"Ohhhhhh, Europe is a-coming when she comes,
Europe is a-coming when she comes,
The good old USA has had it's hapless day,
Europe is a-coming when she comes"

Altogether now...

"Ohhhhhh Europe is..."

need a limp euro for this tired old song and dance? you dont actually believe this for I know your smart enough to understand that in a global economy a strong US is needed. US tanking would be the equivalent to General Motors biting the dust to the domestic economy...come on man, your smarter than this. stop stiring the pot

 

[p_p_man]

need a limp euro for this tired old song and dance? you dont actually believe this for I know your smart enough to understand that in a global economy a strong US is needed. US tanking would be the equivalent to General Motors biting the dust to the domestic economy...come on man, your smarter than this. stop stiring the pot

Much as I drool over your av you have to face facts.

Europe didn't happen yesterday. It's been in the making for 50 years with the 1957 Treaty of Rome which intially created the European Economic Community (the Common Market).

What you're seeing now is the culmination of a multitude of treaties, agreements, policy mergers etc into what is slowly becoming a single country. The newest on the planet,

With the euro becoming the single currency of all of the member states except two, the economic strength is only now beginning to make itself felt.

Yesterday the euro was worth 98 cents. How much longer before it's on par with the dollar? If America's troubles continue as they have done and the basic internal flaws of your accounting and audit systems keep coming to light, not long I think.

As for a global economy. Europe understands that well enough. But we also have the extra advantage of having a common history with most of the other counrtries of the world.

Amrerica, under Bush, has neither the concept of a global community nor, as a country, a common history with most other inhabitants of the planet.

So yes. I do believe that song could be a foretaste of what will happen further down the road.

ppman

 

[brokenbrainwave]

that was just too damn long to quote

I agree with some of your post, but lets see this so called agreement in Europe last. Unfortunately I honestly feel it will fall apart. Human factors such as greed, jealousy, and pride might bring an end to the "love fest". However, just as in your post, this is merely a hunch.
Oh and Bush is not powerful enough to do the things you say. He has no mandate, was elected without the majority of popular vote, and has the charisma of a butt pimple. Clinton or Reagan were the only ones with those abilities.

 

[p_p_man]

but lets see this so called agreement in Europe last.

Nobody knows for sure whether it will or not. But young people (under 25) have never known anything else but a European Union. To themselves they are European. Many of the older politicians who are against the EU tend to forget that. The major opposition to their ideas won't come from people like me (a committed european since the early 1960s) but from the young who will not be too happy to have their way of life taken away from them. Not that I think that will ever happen.

Unfortunately I honestly feel it will fall apart. Human factors such as greed, jealousy, and pride might bring an end to the "love fest". However, just as in your post, this is merely a hunch.

We already have those factors in place. If you ever get the chance look at some of the debates held in the European Parliament. You wouldn't think we were one country if you read those. All the old nationalistic rhetoric comes spilling out

Oh and Bush is not powerful enough to do the things you say. He has no mandate, was elected without the majority of popular vote, and has the charisma of a butt pimple. Clinton or Reagan were the only ones with those abilities.

I realise that but he's had no mandate to do a lot of things he's introduced since becoming President. Like drilling in Alaska, pulling out of Kyoto, starting a trade war with Europe, introducing the Patriot Act and others I can't immediately think of from the top of my head...

ppman

 

[brokenbrainwave]

sheesh your into big posts today!
umm what does drilling for oil have to do with anything btw?

 

[p_p_man]

sheesh your into big posts today!
umm what does drilling for oil have to do with anything btw?

He didn't have a mandate to do it.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

He didn't have a mandate to do it.

no but we have a dependency upon middle eastern oil, which in turn funnels monies to terrorist groups. plus, I just hate being held hostage by freakin assholes in OPEC.

 

[p_p_man]

no but we have a dependency upon middle eastern oil, which in turn funnels monies to terrorist groups. plus, I just hate being held hostage by freakin assholes in OPEC.

Maybe. But he still didn't have a mandate for it.

I think we all know he did it for no other reason than to increase the profits of the oil companies.

OPEC and the Arabs had very little to do with it. Except to use them to sell the idea to the American public.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Maybe. But he still didn't have a mandate for it.

I think we all know he did it for no other reason than to increase the profits of the oil companies.

OPEC and the Arabs had very little to do with it. Except to use them to sell the idea to the American public.

now your reaching for the stars...opec had everything to do with it. why should we send that money overseas when we could use it at home?

 

[p_p_man]

now your reaching for the stars...opec had everything to do with it. why should we send that money overseas when we could use it at home?

Oh alright then...

I know when I'm beaten.

Anyway I've got to eat my Black Foresy Gateau now. I think there's enough room.

But bear in mind that Russia has vast reserves of oil that they would cream themselves to export. With Bush's new 'friendship' with Putin I would have thought that would have been an ideal opportunity for Bush to cement his relationship with Russia, import cheap oil (Russia will be glad to sell it at bargain basement price just to build up trade), get the environmental lobby of his back and put the finger up at OPEC.

But no he prefers to drill in Alaska. And why? More profits for his oil buddies back home.

ppman

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Oh alright then...

I know when I'm beaten.

Anyway I've got to eat my Black Foresy Gateau now. I think there's enough room.

But bear in mind that Russia has vast reserves of oil that they would cream themselves to export. With Bush's new 'friendship' with Putin I would have thought that would have been an ideal opportunity for Bush to cement his relationship with Russia, import cheap oil (Russia will be glad to sell it at bargain basement price just to build up trade), get the environmental lobby of his back and put the finger up at OPEC.

But no he prefers to drill in Alaska. And why? More profits for his oil buddies back home.

ppman

I agree with the Russia comment, and IF they ever get their heads out of their butts......

but I agree with helping the homefolks before helping the rest of the world

 

[p_p_man]

I agree with the Russia comment, and IF they ever get their heads out of their butts......

but I agree with helping the homefolks before helping the rest of the world

I wouldn't call multibillionare corporate giants 'homefolk'. But if you really mean Joe/Jane Doe, drilling in Alaska is not going to help them one bit. Gas prices will have to remain high and possibly go higher because the corporates can hide behind the wall of "Oh we had to pay for all that investment".

Whereas Russian oil has already been explored and drilled for and is just waiting to be taken away. A much cheaper alternative for the American public.

Now can I eat my cake?

 

[TWB]

Damn.

I thought this thread was about impeachment.

 

[Silverluna]

You tell 'em DUBYA!!

Fuck the rest....

 

[SINthysist]

p_p_, sorry I couldn't schtick around!

You were damn funny...