Go Belgium go!!!

[p_p_man]

From today's Guardian:

Belgium asserts right to try Sharon

Ian Black in Brussels
Thursday February 13, 2003
The Guardian

"Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, can be tried for genocide in Belgium once he has left office, the Belgian appeal court ruled last night.

The judgment opens the way for survivors of a 1982 massacre of Palestinian refugees in Beirut to press their case against the Likud leader when his retirement loses him his immunity from prosecution.

"International custom prevents heads of government being pursued by a foreign state," the court said.

But to Israel's dismay it ruled that an action against former general Amos Yaron, commander of Israeli forces in the Beirut area at the time of the massacre, could proceed...

Mr Sharon, who was defence minister at the time, is blamed for the death of 800 Palestinians killed by the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia, then allied to Israel."

Now all we want is another general election and for the Beast of Beirut to lose, then the world can see what type of man the Israelis have elected as their leader for so long...

ppman

 

[roxanne69]

That xenophonic country can't wait to prosecute him, he's a Jew!

I'm happy they will. He will be vindicated of this ridiculous, blasphemous rumour once and for all.

Lebanese CHRISTIANS killed their fellow Arabs then blamed Sharon because they were afraid of being executed when the Israeli occupation of Lebanon was over.

No matter who gets elected after Sharon leaves, do you really think there will be peace? As long as there are Palestinians, there will not be peace. They don't want it.

 

[Lancecastor]

Don't you mean Sharon, the Belgian Babe?

 

[p_p_man]

That xenophonic country can't wait to prosecute him, he's a Jew!

Ho hum, here we go again...

ppman

 

[Lancecastor]

Or Miss Belgium?

 

[QuickDuck]

They don't want it.

Neither does Israel

 

[Lancecastor]

If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

 

[roxanne69]

Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?


OK Lance you win! I can't argue and drool at the same time!

 

[p_p_man]

Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

Originally posted by Lancecastor

Didn't I read somewhere that Israel was one of the largest handlers of porn in the world?

Or was that just spin?



ppman

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

Didn't I read somewhere that Israel was one of the largest handlers of porn in the world?

Or was that just spin? ppman

Naw, ppman . . . that was just spin . . . everybody knows that the U$ has the most wankers in the world . . . and the biggest porn market . . . those Canadian chicks are much too hot for the average Republican redneck male . . . check out the fine examples posted . . . that's why Lance has so many successes . . . it's an open field day . . . the Yanks just don't know how to treat a pretty woman . . . too busy with their hand on their gland . . .

 

[roxanne69]

Re: Re: Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

Naw, ppman . . . that was just spin . . . everybody knows that the U$ has the most wankers in the world . . . and the biggest porn market . . . those Canadian chicks are much too hot for the average Republican redneck male . . . check out the fine examples posted . . . that's why Lance has so many successes . . . it's an open field day . . . the Yanks just don't know how to treat a pretty woman . . . too busy with their hand on their gland . . .

I think you may be right Don and Lance has mastered the art of shutting Canadian chicks up and making them happy.Then again, some Aussies are too preoccupied with politics and conspiracy theories to write to their penpals who are suffering miserably in -40 degree cold. Sure is empty in my PM box

 

[Lancecastor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

Lance has mastered the art of shutting Canadian chicks up and making them happy.

 

[busybody..]

BELGIUM a country sitting in a Glass House ...shouldn't throw stones of justice



What we do see when we look at Belgium..?

Europe is moving towards "Fundamental Islam" by constantly bashing the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel, and now bashing America, to stay in tune with their Arab appeasement.

Lets go back in time, look at facts, that don't show up Belgium in our eyes to be a judge to anything but to their own terrible shortcomings:

We like to quote, Nagi N. Najjar, Director, Lebanon Foundation for Peace......

Lebanese attack Belgium persecution of Sharon:
http://www.free-lebanon.com/LFPNews/Belgium/belgium.html

By taking side in a case like Sabra & Chatilla, Belgium is playing with fire by allowing this affair to take place on its soil and blaming Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. It is important for all to understand that if Belgium is opening this effort for political purposes, and is making a dangerous move at a wrong time of history, at the wrong place, with the wrong victim.
Yes, a massacre took place in 1982, and it is a matter of public record who were the instigators and perpetrators.

This was not the first massacre in Lebanon and probably not the last.

That same Palestinian side that filed a complaint against Ariel Sharon in a Belgium Court is to blame for murders, distortion, and massacres, in Lebanon.

A Lebanon that welcomed the Palestinians with open arms ended up a victim of the Palestinian gun and Palestinian terror.

It is the PLO, and all the Palestinians armed gangs that started the killings in Lebanon, establishing roadblocks, killing Christians during confession in Beirut.

A question that has to be brought forward NOW in retrospect:

Why did the Belgium Court not defend the Christian community in Lebanon from Palestinian gangsterism?

Belgium even publicizing the name of Ariel Sharon in such an affair is nothing more than political blackmail from a respected (really respected ?) country in Europe.

For a man who fought and won brave wars in the Middle East defending Israel and the other minorities of the region, Ariel Sharon is no terrorist nor evil.

He is not Yasser Arafat who ordered the slaughter of the American diplomats in Khartoum, or the shootings at Italy's Airport, or the Achile Lauro affair, to the various bombing in Paris, and the assassination policies in London.

The Palestinian terrorist list is very long, ranging from Leila Khaled, to Okamoto in Lod, to Carlos in Beirut and Damascus, and many others areas.

Now it looks as if BELGIUM has a short memory of their terrible own disrespect of law and humanitarian issues.


The fact that Sharon won his libel suit against TIME Magazine should have proven to the media, and the world, that Arik Sharon was not to be and could not be smeared ever again over Sabra and Shatilla.

Unfortunately, the truths revealed were not sustained.

Yosef Dar’s explosive book "Phalange Justice" exposes the "secret" annex which entirely exonerates Arik Sharon of any culpability for this massacre and condemns others of malfeasance of office, conflict of interest, not taking responsibility, etc. (but that isn't important to this story). Sharon was NOT culpable.

The media continues to blacken Sharon’s name.
It is the usual smear campaign that gives the Media a colorful subject to want to beat on again and again....

Another book: "From Israel to Damascus: Lebanon, the Mystery of the Unknown" by Robert Maroun Hatem, known as Cobra, he describes how Elie Hobeika, known as H.K. planned to destroy Lebanon so he could become a minister in the current Pro-Syrian Lebanese structure.
Bashir Gemayel who was the popular Lebanese Christian slated to be President of the new Lebanon, now that Israel had freed it of the PLO terrorists.

Hobeika was responsible for killing Gemayel, ordering his men to "totally annihilate" everyone in the camps, and was instrumental in the fall of the Likud Government.

He was protected from revenge reprisals by Hafez Assad. What did Belgium did do about that.

Sabra and Shatilla was instigated and perpetrated by Elias Hobeika, a ruthless murderer working for Syrian Intelligence.

Today his profession is giving Scuba lessons in a little seaport called Dbayeh 20 miles north of Beirut.

If the Palestinians really want to see justice, the road within Lebanon is a much shorter road than the one of Brussels's.

Looking at facts:
A very simple answer comes to mind, Belgium courts cannot even deal with their very own criminals and corruption within their own system and courts, so they are the last ones to want to call themselves a State that has any right to judge and have court cases in prosecuting any other indivudal from another State.

Who the hell does Belgium think they are ?

Lets take a look ...... How Belgium deals with real criminal facts:

We start with this stuff ... which leads to the heavy stuff down the road.

Pedophiles in Belgium ...

On October 20, 350'000 citizens of the tiny nation took to the streets of Brussels
dressed all in white, demanding the reform of a system so corrupt that it would
protect the abusers, rapists, torturers, and killers of children.

The political fallout from the case would ultimately bring about the resignation of Belgium's State Police Chief, Interior Minister, and Justice Minister –

There were in fact calls from the people for the entire coalition government to step
down.

Months later, an opinion survey by Brussels’ Le Soir newspaper found that only
one-in-five Belgians still had confidence in the federal government and the nation’s justice system.

As the Los Angeles Times reported in January of 1998, “the conviction remains
stubbornly widespread that members of the upper crust - government ministers, the Roman Catholic Church, the court of King Albert II - belonged to child sex rings, or protected them.”

The lingering distrust of the people was not alleviated by the fact that a parliamentary
inquiry had, in April of 1997, identified thirty officials who had, as the Times tactfully put it, “failed to uncover Dutroux’s misdeeds.”

Nearly a year later, none of them had yet suffered any repercussions. How come ?

Additionally, at least ten missing children suspected of having fallen prey to Dutroux’s operation have never been found.

The commission's report was, in many peoples eyes, a shameless cover-up.

In April of 1999, the Guardian reported that: “the highly respected chairman of a
parliamentary inquiry into the case claims that his commissions findings were
muzzled by political and judicial leaders to prevent details emerging of complicity in the crimes …

Mr. Verwilghen claims that senior political and legal figures refused to cooperate with the inquiry.

He says magistrates and police were officially told to refuse to answer
certain questions, in what he describes as ‘a characteristic smothering operation.’”
Anger at the crimes and the way they have been investigated had swept across
Belgium. ... but equally it was the incredible generosity shown to pedophiles.

Belgium the helping hand to terrorism:
(2001)

The Government came under intense criticism for the detention of Fehriye Erdal, a Kurdish woman accused of involvement in a terrorist attack in Turkey in which a prominent businessman was killed.

Erdal was arrested in Knokke (Belgium City on the coast of the Channel) in October 1999 and charged with weapons violations.

The Belgium Government refused the Turkish Government's extradition request for Erdal because of the possibility that she could face the death penalty in Turkey. Yet she was a terrorist.
Worse:
The Government also refused to try her on the terrorism charges in Belgium because of a technicality in the international agreement requiring such action.

After a month-long hunger strike, Erdal was released from prison in August and placed under house arrest pending a trial on the weapons charges.
The trial was not expected to begin until early 2001.

Now looking at this closely: We call this EUROTRASH ....

But we like to further ask:

When will this EUROTRASH country start to think to prosecute real criminals:

Asad, Saddam, Khaddafi, the leaders of Sudan, Bin Laden, Arafat, or any of the countless other blood-drenched dictators in the world.

When.???????

This comes from a country, that's only cultural famous claim to this world, is for inventing "pommes frites" and waffles, and we can do without that, as well without their chocolates, which don't sweeten anything of Belgium's disastrous Arab appeasement.

May be the Jewish community with their diamonds in Antwerp should look for another place to do their trading.

Another question: Who is Belgium to judge anyone, never mind to want to be THE MORAL SUPERIOR to the world.

May be, we should as well call Belgium to attention of their very own responsibilities of humanitarian disaster and killings in their very name.

Facts: While King Leopold II was the defacto sovereign of the Belgian
controlled Congo Free State, between 1880 and 1920 the population of Congo
nearly halved. Although the actual figure is disputed because of a lack of
documented statistics at the time, nonetheless, several million natives were
the victims of murder, starvation, exhaustion induced by overwork, and disease.

Facts: In 1959, the police suppressed a peaceful political rally
triggering a series of bloody confrontations. King Baudouin of Belgium
tried to appease the demonstrators by promising independence in the near
future, but European residents of the Congo reacted with more oppressive
measures.
Independence was finally achieved in 1960, with Joseph Kasavubu
as President and Lumumba as Prime Minister.
A few days later, Moise Tshombe, then Premier of the Province of Katanga, initiated a secessionist movement.
Belgium sent in paratroopers and the United Nations, acting under US
influence, intervened with a «peacekeeping force».

Kasavubu staged a coup and arrested Lumumba, delivering him to Belgian mercenaries in Katanga who killed him.

The civil war continued until 1963. Secessionist activity ceased when Tshombe, who represented the neocolonial interests, was appointed Prime Minister.

With the help of mercenaries, Belgian troops and US logistical support, the Tshombe regime was able to stifle the nationalist opposition movement

Facts: As the colonial ruler of Rwanda, when Belgium pulled out at UN
direction, it left behind all of the forces on the ground that later
created genocide.

The Belgians did not create a viable nation while rulers of Rwanda, but simply tapped its resources.

Belgium later threw its military force around, in an ineffective and irresponsible manner.

This is the same Belgium that lectures NOW George Bush about seeking a peaceful solution for Iraq and insists Israel never use military force.

In 1990 Belgium and several central African nations sent troops to Rwanda to oppose an uprising by the Tutsi-backed RPF.

Facts: Amnesty International says Belgian troops tortured Africans in Somalia in 1993:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=belgium++massacre+africa+congo+history

Facts: Other allegations of human rights abuses by Belgium:

AI note that in Belgium Nigerian national Semira Adamu died by asphyxiation
during an attempted deportation from Brussels national airport in September
1998.

Belgium police use the "cushion technique" during deportations in
which they are allowed to press a cushion against the mouth of a reluctant
deportee to prevent them shouting.

An investigation in Semira's death was still continuing during the period of review. AI point out that allegations have been made that police officers involved in deportations had been using heavily padded gloves to cover the mouth of deportees, thus blocking their airways.

There were also reports of officers "hog-tying" deportees, placing them on the floor with their hands and ankles tied together behind their bodies. Keeping anyone in this position is known to be highly dangerous, and has caused death.

AI also note that the Belgian authorities had to conduct an internal
investigation into violent assaults on asylum-seekers at the Steenokkerzeel
Detention Center in October 1998.

Detainees allege they were subject to repeated physical assaults during the incident. There have been other allegations of ill treatment made by detainees at several other detention centers in Belgium.

So:
Who the hell does Belgium think they are, to want to become that Moral superior to anyone else. ?

Belgium has been counting on American logistic and military support throughout history, where are they now ?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

I think you may be right Don and Lance has mastered the art of shutting Canadian chicks up and making them happy.Then again, some Aussies are too preoccupied with politics and conspiracy theories to write to their penpals who are suffering miserably in -40 degree cold. Sure is empty in my PM box

Roxy . . . what you need is a day on the beach in Oz . . . pristine white sand marked only by one trail of footsteps . . . lying back . . . sans clothes . . . sipping chilled Chardonnay . . . watching the waves . . . feeling the on-shore breeze wafting across the sand . . . skin tingling as sun-block is massaged gently onto all those places too white to be exposed . . . and elsewhere, of course . . . then all the conspiracy theories and Canadian chill and puerile politicians . . . immediately fade into their correct irrelevant proportions . . .

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If There Were More Nudity in Israel...Might There Be Peace?

Geez, Lance . . . you just gotta admire the Canadian style . . . so exquisite!!

 

[roxanne69]

Hey Don, do you EVER empty your PM box? grrrrr.....

 

[ithaqua]

BELGIUM a country sitting in a Glass House ...shouldn't throw stones of justice

*snip*

busybody - master of the sound bite.

OOPS, wrong thread.
*exit*

 

[scrymettet]

sorry

That xenophonic country can't wait to prosecute him, he's a Jew! ...

from Le Soir

La loi belge qui permet aux tribunaux du pays de poursuivre d'anciens dirigeants du monde entier accusés de crimes de guerre a reçu une spectaculaire confirmation par la plus haute juridiction de Belgique, au risque de susciter la colère de pays comme Israël.

Une trentaine de dirigeants ou d'ex-dirigeants étrangers, comme l'Israélien Ariel Sharon (visé par une plainte déposée par des victimes des massacres de Sabra et Chatila en 1982, lorsqu'il était ministre de la Défense), l'Irakien Saddam Hussein, le Cubain Fidel Castro, le Palestinien Yasser Arafat ou le Tchadien Hissène Habré sont visés par des plaintes déposées par des victimes en application de cette loi unique au monde...

 

[roxanne69]

Re: sorry

from Le Soir

La loi belge qui permet aux tribunaux du pays de poursuivre d'anciens dirigeants du monde entier accusés de crimes de guerre a reçu une spectaculaire confirmation par la plus haute juridiction de Belgique, au risque de susciter la colère de pays comme Israël.

Une trentaine de dirigeants ou d'ex-dirigeants étrangers, comme l'Israélien Ariel Sharon (visé par une plainte déposée par des victimes des massacres de Sabra et Chatila en 1982, lorsqu'il était ministre de la Défense), l'Irakien Saddam Hussein, le Cubain Fidel Castro, le Palestinien Yasser Arafat ou le Tchadien Hissène Habré sont visés par des plaintes déposées par des victimes en application de cette loi unique au monde...

Pitou, je veux que Sharon passe dans le court parceque je sais tres bien qu'il est innocent. J'espere que tu n'est pas insulter personellement par mon post. Je sais tres bien que tu n'est pas anti juif.

 

[scrymettet]

Re: Re: sorry

Pitou, je veux que Sharon passe dans le court parceque je sais tres bien qu'il est innocent. J'espere que tu n'est pas insulter personellement par mon post. Je sais tres bien que tu n'est pas anti juif.

je donne les info, je ne juge pas

Ps Tu sais que la religion Judaïque est officielle en Belgique. Les rabins sont payés par l'État.

 

[roxanne69]

Re: Re: Re: sorry

je donne les info, je ne juge pas

Ps Tu sais que la religion Judaïque est officielle en Belgique. Les rabins sont payés par l'État.

Ca je ne savait pas, merci.

je pense que la pression de la grande population arabe en belgique n'a pas aider la cause de Sharon non plus. Est-ce que je me trompe?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Well, Filling Boxes is . . .

Hey Don, do you EVER empty your PM box? grrrrr.....

Well . . . actually, Roxy . . . FILLING boxes is my speciality . . . now you want me out??? . . . Oops! Sorry . . . My PM is full . . . I didn't realise that it was SO BIG!! . . . <Have cleared the sent messages> . . .

( I dunno . . . bilingual as well . . . must be a Canadian . . . )

 

[scrymettet]

Re: Re: Re: Re: sorry

Ca je ne savait pas, merci.

je pense que la pression de la grande population arabe en belgique n'a pas aider la cause de Sharon non plus. Est-ce que je me trompe?

Oui. La Justice est indépendante des pressions politiques. Le jugement dit qu'on peut le poursuivre mais il est innocent jusqu'à preuve du contraire.

 

[Guest]

 

[roxanne69]

Re: Well, Filling Boxes is . . .

Well . . . actually, Roxy . . . FILLING boxes is my speciality . . . now you want me out??? . . . Oops! Sorry . . . My PM is full . . . I didn't realise that it was SO BIG!! . . . <Have cleared the sent messages> . . .

( I dunno . . . bilingual as well . . . must be a Canadian . . . )

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Your PM box is STILL full!!!!! This is the second very long PM I have sent you that bounced back to me.

*tapping foot impatiently*