Giving pain. Beyond the obvious ways. Non-marking ways?

obstacle

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Hello all. This site was actually recommended to my by a former submissive and I've lurked for a handful of months now but until today have not had a question to ask. So I'm jumping in.

A bit about myself. I'm a Dominant. I've practiced my craft for over ten years now. I'm not part of the lifestyle, at least not in the overt 24/7 way, but BDSM (more specifically the SM side) are distinct passions in my life. I'm in my early 30s and live/work in New York City.

First some background on my current situation.

I'm in a BDSM relationship with woman. It can be descibed best as a play relationship where at best we play in the areas of BDSM and a Top & bottom. We both have vanilla relationships outside of this. Our play is focused around pain. I am an experienced sadist and she has only a slight bit of experience as a masochist. We've been scening for a couple months now and all is well. We give each other what we need and it gives us both what we want out of it.

However, due to her relationship and living with said person, she has a need (and I should say hard limit) of not being marked. Not being marked in obviously sexual ways. At least not in huge ways. She has left previous scenes with a few small marks on her and as told me that in the following days some marks bruise up and she can explain them away as this and that. It will happen in what we are doing and she is aware of that, as am I, but my task is to not mark her in drastic ways. She is very fair skinned and marks/brusies very easily. It took us a few scenes to work out just what will mark her and how bad and I will say that she can not be flogged, caned, tied or spanked/hit (i.e. breasts) without her marking badly.

I've been enjoying the challenge and restriction though. It's forced me to become more creative in many ways and move out of areas that I know well (such as floggers, canes and rope bondage) and into new, somewhat more subtle areas, that don't mark her body in overly obvious ways.

Over our past couple months I have come to focus on the following, non-marking forms of pain giving;
-foot caning/flogging. While said tools do mark the soles of her fit slightly it's an area that is hard to really mark on someone and even then is easily explained away. Rubber bands and the like have also been used on her feet.
-wooden clothespins. The old staple, yes? These are mainly used on her nipples, ears, genitals...areas that will redden and will mark slightly but to the untrained eye are not overly obvious.
-Genital torture. Again flogging/caning on her vagina and said senstive flesh. Same as above. I also including nipple pinching here.
-Mental control. Sensory depravation and the like. We trust one another and this is an area I enjoy greatly. She has been enjoying it thus far but has admited she craves more physical pain.
-Fisting/stretching...of her vagina and anus. Done with toys or hands. I only mention this outside of genital torture so it's not mentioned again.
-Spanking. her ass can take some up to a certian point, though not far enough where it even remotely nears her limit anymore.
-Breath control/choking. The first is done with hand over mouth, ball gags and gags and even simply telling her to hold her breath. The choking aspect is done in moderation as she does mark slightly from my hand if pressed. Simple things such as a pillow over her face as she is getting fucked have been done as well (which she said she enjoys very much). Choking is something I know well and can do without having to pressure her skin too much.
-Hair Pulling. It has it's place, she has long hair which is fun, but one can only go so far with this.
-Slapping. Her face can take alot. Though the types of slapping used are more to get her attention when she is to focus on something.
-Balance and Muscle fatigue. As in, giving her a position to maintain while i enjoy her suffering from her muscles tensing and such. She is athletic, as am I, so this is am area we both greatly like. I like the visual aspects of her suffering. She enjoys seeing what she can do and being pushed passed areas she though she couldn't go past (but that is also a big picture thing).
-Gagging. Deep throating and throat fucking. Areas she wanted to explore and I have shown her where they go. She has admitted she likes them and I will say she is a champ at how much of this she can take.

I have some additional room to play in the areas I descibed above but will admit that I am coming to an end of my own ideas.

So I ask you all. What other types of pain giving/SM play ideas could people come up with that most likely won't end in heavy marking. Marks like what a flogger or cane or ropes would leave on her body?

Ideas?

Thank you all for any help ahead of time.
 
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you could learn martial arts (like Aikido) and do wrist locks and things like that.. my instructor puts me into a wrist-lock and I scream and fall to the ground, but no lasting damage is done.. this takes a lot of training however.. might be a little more brutal than you had in mind..

you could also look into things like shock collars.. put a shock collar around her leg and you carry the remote.. it could be worn under clothes so nobody would know it's there.. little shocks like that aren't enough to hurt anyone, but they really smart.. there's also sound-activated shock collars.. you could put one around her neck and give her a spanking.. if she screams, she gets zapped.. I've never tried it, but I think it sounds like fun.. :p
 
Byakuya said:
you could learn martial arts (like Aikido) and do wrist locks and things like that.. my instructor puts me into a wrist-lock and I scream and fall to the ground, but no lasting damage is done.. this takes a lot of training however.. might be a little more brutal than you had in mind..

you could also look into things like shock collars.. put a shock collar around her leg and you carry the remote.. it could be worn under clothes so nobody would know it's there.. little shocks like that aren't enough to hurt anyone, but they really smart.. there's also sound-activated shock collars.. you could put one around her neck and give her a spanking.. if she screams, she gets zapped.. I've never tried it, but I think it sounds like fun.. :p

While the brutal aspects to worry me (I can be very brutal) I think learning a martial art is a bit more involved than where I want to go with this. On that note however, I have used arm locks on her in the past, especially during intercourse. Things I had learned from years spent learning bondage. Ways of bending her body to give her pain. She has given me feedback that she enjoys this but does worry that it could go too far too fast. As much as I like to think I know what I am doing with it...you never do know and I tend to agree with her. It's not something that she gets often.

As far as shock collars. While I've not used a "proper" one on her I have used things that give light shocks. Mostly things that use a 8-volt battery or the like and shock to a pinching feeling. The small ones I have used on her do leave marks on her (with a simple 8-volt battery) and I must say that they do little for me and almost nothing for her. As i said she is an athlete and gets muscle shocks from her trainer (for training and recovery purposes) often. She doesn't associate the feeling with pain or BDSM (this context) and frankly anything I could do to her that wouldn't mark her would pale in comparison to what her trainer does to her (we share the same sport and trainer, thus I know just what she gets done and have witnessed it. Which is ironically enough what got us talking about BDSM in the first place many months ago).

But thank you for the suggestions.
 
There are nerve clusters/pressure points that can cause excruciating pain with the application of very little pressure, and without leaving lasting marks.

You can find some of these on yourself pretty easily.

#1 - The web of muscle and skin between the thumb and the first finger. Grab into the meaty part of the web, pressing from the back of the hand towards the palm. You might have to move a little in towards the finger or out towards the thumb, or in towards the joint or out away from the hand. But trust me on this, you'll know when you find it.

#2 - The base of the septum where it meets your upper lip. Use a knuckle, right there where the lip and septum of your nose meet. Press in and up. Yow!

#3 - Earlobe - Pinch. Hard! WEEEeee!

#4 - Inside of the jawbone about midway between the chin and joint, on either side. Use the tip of your thumb to push up and outwards. Works very well.

#5 - Back of the jaw joint, directly under/behind the ear. Again, use the tip of the thumb or a raised knuckle.

That should be enough for now. :D

They work best when the subject is "stabilized" - ie: they can't pull, twist or otherwise get away from the pressure. Do NOT punch or stab at these nerve clusters! I repeat, DO NOT use a punching or stabbing motion to these nerve clusters! ! ! Use slow, steadily increasing pressure until you get the effect you are seeking (Tears, compliance with orders, yelps or squeels of pain, tapping out, etc).

Enjoy!
 
The only thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned are clamps (clothespins) to the tops of the ears. If you get the clothespin placed on the cartiledge just right it's almost instant tears. (side note- because it's cartiledge, you can leave the clamps on longer than the standard 20 minutes without muc worry of damage; the area might bruise, but not likely)

Edited to add:

I just thought of more-

*papercuts between the toes... placed in a stress position whilst in high heels (with coarse salt in the toes of the shoes) would make it much more painful. Papercuts in general (along with lemon juice, sweat, etc) are kind of underrated as far as pain impliments, IMO...

*I know someone who has been known to carefully place straightpins under the toenails of a Lover... apparently it's horrid.
 
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CutieMouse said:
The only thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned are clamps (clothespins) to the tops of the ears. If you get the clothespin placed on the cartiledge just right it's almost instant tears. (side note- because it's cartiledge, you can leave the clamps on longer than the standard 20 minutes without muc worry of damage; the area might bruise, but not likely)


I've used this technique often, even when I don't have limits to work within like this relationship. I did mention clothespins and her ears.

On a side note. A clothespin or clamp directly on the septum can cause instant tears on some people. Though it is something to be careful with. Don't clamp too far up and in.
 
obstacle said:
I've used this technique often, even when I don't have limits to work within like this relationship. I did mention clothespins and her ears.

On a side note. A clothespin or clamp directly on the septum can cause instant tears on some people. Though it is something to be careful with. Don't clamp too far up and in.

I've had the displeasure of a clamp on my septum... never ever ever again please and thank you. LOL
 
CutieMouse said:
I've had the displeasure of a clamp on my septum... never ever ever again please and thank you. LOL

I see you have some fond memories of that. Ha!
 
CutieMouse said:
The only thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned are clamps (clothespins) to the tops of the ears. If you get the clothespin placed on the cartiledge just right it's almost instant tears. (side note- because it's cartiledge, you can leave the clamps on longer than the standard 20 minutes without muc worry of damage; the area might bruise, but not likely)

Edited to add:

I just thought of more-

*papercuts between the toes... placed in a stress position whilst in high heels (with coarse salt in the toes of the shoes) would make it much more painful. Papercuts in general (along with lemon juice, sweat, etc) are kind of underrated as far as pain impliments, IMO...

*I know someone who has been known to carefully place straightpins under the toenails of a Lover... apparently it's horrid.



Ummm...ok..i LOVE LOVE LOVE clothespins...but NOT on my ears thank you very much!!!!!

And papercuts and salt have just gone on my hard limit list. YEOUCH!
 
Evil_Geoff said:
There are nerve clusters/pressure points that can cause excruciating pain with the application of very little pressure, and without leaving lasting marks.

You can find some of these on yourself pretty easily.

<snip>

They work best when the subject is "stabilized" - ie: they can't pull, twist or otherwise get away from the pressure. Do NOT punch or stab at these nerve clusters! I repeat, DO NOT use a punching or stabbing motion to these nerve clusters! ! ! Use slow, steadily increasing pressure until you get the effect you are seeking (Tears, compliance with orders, yelps or squeels of pain, tapping out, etc).

Enjoy!

Geoff much as I enjoy your posts, sometimes I really wish you'd refrain. ;) There is a certain someone I don't want to read some of your posts...this one included.

*yes yes I know they're helpful for others*

don't mind me...just teasing you
 
HottieMama said:
Ummm...ok..i LOVE LOVE LOVE clothespins...but NOT on my ears thank you very much!!!!!

And papercuts and salt have just gone on my hard limit list. YEOUCH!

I came up with an idea while chatting with AA at some point, but I can't remember the specifics... something about finding a way to cause mild abrasions to the inner labia, then applying lemon juice or Tiger Balm/Ben Gay.

While eating sushi for lunch, I wondered what the risks of using wasabi or pickled ginger on delicate bits might be...
 
CutieMouse said:
I came up with an idea while chatting with AA at some point, but I can't remember the specifics... something about finding a way to cause mild abrasions to the inner labia, then applying lemon juice or Tiger Balm/Ben Gay.

While eating sushi for lunch, I wondered what the risks of using wasabi or pickled ginger on delicate bits might be...


The BenGay/ginger/wasabi thing is just fine....but intentional papercuts is just plain cruelty...

**goes back to her happy place**
 
Yes, papercuts are evil. That is something bordering on harm, not just hurt. I don't do knives or blood work. Hard limit there.

I've used small shives under toenails before. It does give pain and is something someone will generally fear. I've not done it to her, though I will consider it now.

Lotions, balms and oils are all wonderful. I've used these in the past. Not on her though. Totally an area I complete forgot about. How lovely. I must revisit.

Again, thank you.
 
You might consider exclusively psychological areas, though very carefully.

Assuredly from my own experiences an area that can be tweaked by degree in small increments . It's not a game for everyone though, can be much edgier than most physical applications of pain. I can't stress enough as this is a general post, that even the most subtle expressions may have the potential to negative legacy in both the long and shorter terms. It can also take on quite an addictive spin for both parties once commenced. Guess this is my version of buyer beware. Not a topic I would ever take a cavalier stance over. Common usage of the term 'mindfuck' just quite doesn't cover this.
 
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wicked woman said:
Geoff much as I enjoy your posts, sometimes I really wish you'd refrain. ;) There is a certain someone I don't want to read some of your posts...this one included.

*yes yes I know they're helpful for others*

don't mind me...just teasing you

*WEG*

Happy to be of service!
 
I dunno, but putting things under the toenails sounds like a sure fire way to injure the nailbed and greatly increase the risk of a fungal infection.
 
callinectes said:
I dunno, but putting things under the toenails sounds like a sure fire way to injure the nailbed and greatly increase the risk of a fungal infection.

Just hearing it made me curl my feet up and tuck them underneath me. LOL
 
a can of coke in two knee socks...
soap in towel
potatoes in a pillow case
tazer
airsoft gun... really hurts like a bitch... only leaves little red dots...
 
ow, EG!!! i read those and just could not stop myself from testing them out. my jaw hurts :(

the only thing i can think to add is if you are kissing her passionitly bite down on her lip or toungue.
 
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