Give Trump his wall

[GiaCat]

Some people have to see a demonstration of why it's such a stupid idea in the modern world. Yes, it worked great for China when they where preventing Mongolian horsemen from raiding their towns. But I think transportation has evolved jusssssssst a bit since then

Sensors, choppers and a localized intercept team in a Humvee would be more effective because they can adapt to changing conditions.

 

[patient1]

Why can't they agree to let Don Jr. build it, and reimburse him when the check from Mexico clears?

 

[KeithD]

And what do you think the likelihood is of Dems supporting any of these measures?

They've repeatedly said they would support (and have by funding them before) these, more modern means, of border surveillance and they've also supported more legal system workers to clear asylum seekers faster. The Trump administration hasn't spent the last appropriation they got for this already yet. Look it up yourself. Maybe you'll believe it if you put in the research yourself.

This isn't really about a wall. It's about scaring not too bright voters to continue to support Trump. Trump doesn't have the foggiest notion what having a wall would do or mean anyway, and his election promise is already defunct--it's not a wall anymore and Mexico isn't paying for it. You and the other Trumpettes should readjust your blinders.

 

[RoryN]

Give Trump his wall. Some people have to see a demonstration of why it's such a stupid idea in the modern world.

No.

What they need is to see their asshole messiah fail miserably by never fulfilling his moronic campaign promise. And that's what will happen.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

And what do you think the likelihood is of Dems supporting any of these measures?

If it comes from Trump: none.

Why can't they agree to let Don Jr. build it, and reimburse him when the check from Mexico clears?

I don't think many Americans thought Mexico would pay. I knew a lot of people who voted for Trump (Independents) who had no illusions that Mexico would pay for the wall or if we'd actually get a wall. They mainly voted for Trump because they despised Hillary.

Here's a paragraph from a small CBS article. Dec. 21, 2018

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-americans-dont-support-building-the-wall/

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it. (What are those other 16 percent? Pieces of shit? How do you Dems view those guys?)

I don't put too much faith in polls though: but I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's collected Data.

I will say though, if the wall is still the talk in 2020 and the Democrats run some dickhead, I won't be voting for a President again (maybe I'll write someone in, just so people can't believe I didn't vote for a President: What a crime!)

 

[SpeareChucker]

Some people have to see a demonstration of why it's such a stupid idea in the modern world. Yes, it worked great for China when they where preventing Mongolian horsemen from raiding their towns. But I think transportation has evolved jusssssssst a bit since then

Sensors, choppers and a localized intercept team in a Humvee would be more effective because they can adapt to changing conditions.

No, all of that is the same as a home burglar alarm.

The po-po shows up after the crime and makes a report.

Everyone thinks that you can solve a human problem with non-lethal technology as if we have enough personnel with enough flexibility to respond with immediacy to an alarm. You might as well demand that the fire department be there at the first alarm of a smoke detector because they have great "flexibility." This just does not happen in real life.

If they have to surmount a barrier, then it's like a sprinkler system which slows and retards and thusly making flexibility in response time more of an achievable goal.

A strong fence with planned access points is what's needed, not insanely incorrect replies about ladders and tunnels, both things taking great planning and resources and most likely to be used by drug runners and terrorists, not simple uneducated and unskilled migrants looking for a better life. Think about it. We have tons of footage of them scaling the wall and precious little, if none, of it involving ladders that are one-foot taller than the walls they climb (and not all that quickly).

 

[LupusDei]

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it. (What are those other 16 percent? Pieces of shit? How do you Dems view those guys?)

Just for the sake of stating the obvious, the formulation is "who oppose the wall" it doesn't mean those 16% actively support it (although some of course might, there's all sorts of weird combinations of views possible). It is not necessary dually opposite extremes. Some of them might think a barrier is necessary in principle and believe the "wall" will transform into something more reasonable naturally through the design process (I expect this point of view to be semi-randomly split between pro- and contra- parts of this statistics). Some might be simply indifferent one way or another, and some more have no opinion whatsoever on this.

 

[bellisarius]

If it comes from Trump: none.




I don't think many Americans thought Mexico would pay. I knew a lot of people who voted for Trump (Independents) who had no illusions that Mexico would pay for the wall or if we'd actually get a wall. They mainly voted for Trump because they despised Hillary.

Here's a paragraph from a small CBS article. Dec. 21, 2018

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-americans-dont-support-building-the-wall/

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it. (What are those other 16 percent? Pieces of shit? How do you Dems view those guys?)

I don't put too much faith in polls though: but I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's collected Data.

I will say though, if the wall is still the talk in 2020 and the Democrats run some dickhead, I won't be voting for a President again (maybe I'll write someone in, just so people can't believe I didn't vote for a President: What a crime!)

You'd be wise not to, most of them are "push polls." If the poll is published without the questions asked you can bet that the poll is virtually worthless.

 

[Notcastor]

I don’t understand why trump doesn’t just Tweet that he built the wall over Christmas and Mexico paid for it by PayPal.

Boom. Done.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

And what do you think the likelihood is of Dems supporting any of these measures?

Considering there is $1.6 Billion in the budget passed by the House for these activities, and more (like checking 100% of cargo vehicles at border crossings) the answer is: Democrats are more serious about border security than Tiny and the Republicans.

Grow a brain.

 

[SissySalina]

Sorry but Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall, if Trump personally wants to pay for the wall that's ok also but not a penny of taxpayers money should be spent on a wall.
If you wish to use land minds instead of a wall that's ok also.

Its principal, a promises is a promises not a lot of BS.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Some people have to see a demonstration of why it's such a stupid idea in the modern world. Yes, it worked great for China when they where preventing Mongolian horsemen from raiding their towns. But I think transportation has evolved jusssssssst a bit since then

Sensors, choppers and a localized intercept team in a Humvee would be more effective because they can adapt to changing conditions.

The answer is to do real immigration reform and border security. Erecting concrete and steel and saying "We are safe!" is mind blowingly infantile and irrational.

Pass the budget for the remaining departments, get the 2013 Immigration Reform bill back on the table, pass it (or the intelligent 2019 version of it with enhanced technology solutions as you describe) and get on with life.

If Tiny were 1/10th the deal maker he claims to be that is what he'd be on TV and at the border talking about.

 

[someoneyouknow]

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[RobDownSouth]

Trevor Noah unearthed a clip of Donald Trump lecturing graduates about the futility of concrete walls way back in 2004.

Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth more than our resident Housesquaw!

#SituationalRedManSpeakWithForkedTongue
#SituationalOrangeManSpeakWithForkedTongue

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

You'd be wise not to, most of them are "push polls." If the poll is published without the questions asked you can bet that the poll is virtually worthless.

But we'd be fools to think all Democrats are against a wall.

Sorry but Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall, if Trump personally wants to pay for the wall that's ok also but not a penny of taxpayers money should be spent on a wall.
If you wish to use land minds instead of a wall that's ok also.

Its principal, a promises is a promises not a lot of BS.

Trump's Tweet

I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!

The day a Politician does exactly what they promised without tweaking their words down the road is the day something freezes over.


I guess it depends on what the meaning of "Pay" means. Cash up front is always ideal, right? But there are other ways.

If you're clinging to what a politician says word for word, they're always going to disappoint you.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Sorry but Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall, if Trump personally wants to pay for the wall that's ok also but not a penny of taxpayers money should be spent on a wall.
If you wish to use land minds instead of a wall that's ok also.

Its principal, a promises is a promises not a lot of BS.

yada, yada, yada

On Day One Obama promised to close Gitmo and no one ever held his feet to the fire on that one or turned it into some sort of sticking point that they just could not work around in any efforts towards the war against radical Islam.

Be honest with yourself; you have a double, partisan, standard.

 

[SpeareChucker]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d67c680bf1514e5c0f543d3e82d9a8a/tumblr_pl2wxqhF8u1rbam90o1_500.jpg

This glosses over the antics of the #NeverTrump Republicans who didn't want Trump to have any wins on his terms either and the moderate Democrats did not step into the breach to try and recapture the voters they lost with their open borders/sanctuary policies.

 

[phrodeau]

Not one penny of taxpayer money should pay for abortions. It’s not who we are as a nation.

Not one penny of taxpayer money should pay for a border wall. It’s not who we are as a nation.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The wall would kill how many children a year?

 

[RobDownSouth]

yada, yada, yada

On Day One Obama promised to close Gitmo and no one ever held his feet to the fire on that one or turned it into some sort of sticking point that they just could not work around in any efforts towards the war against radical Islam.

Be honest with yourself; you have a double, partisan, standard.

Great point, Chief!

Republicans in Congress voted to deny President Obama funds to close Gitmo.

President Obama didn't close the government down because he didn't get his funds.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

Great point, Chief!

Republicans in Congress voted to deny President Obama funds to close Gitmo.

President Obama didn't close the government down because he didn't get his funds.

But he did shut it down for Obamacare, didn't he? And there are some who call him a liar after they rolled out the bill.

 

[needit700]

Stop The Bs And Give Us The Wall!!!!!

I hope if anyone in the USA gets killed it's in Nancy and chuckle's family and not anyone else. God bless the USA!!!

 

[needit700]

and they should have

But he did shut it down for Obamacare, didn't he? And there are some who call him a liar after they rolled out the bill.

we don't want these terrorists jailed in the USA!!! Leave them there to rot

 

[BoyNextDoor]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d67c680bf1514e5c0f543d3e82d9a8a/tumblr_pl2wxqhF8u1rbam90o1_500.jpg

Exactly. The whole "emergency" discussion is another, in a long litany, of absurd behaviors by Tiny.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Not one penny of taxpayer money should pay for abortions. It’s not who we are as a nation.

Not one penny of taxpayer money should pay for a border wall. It’s not who we are as a nation.

I'd gladly accept wall funding if it included a repeal of the Hyde Amendment.