Girls in stories always 18 or older

[jbrown2]

It seems that the stories always go out of their way to make sure the reader knows the girls in the stories are 18 or older. OK so I've only read a few dozen stories but it sure seems that way. Is that for some legal reason to protect literotica or the author?

My step-daughter and I are interested in putting to paper some stories from her life, going way back when she was very young (pre-teen). She was raped by a family member and wants to tell the story. I told her I would help by writing it down. She has shared the stories with me verbally but wants it written out. She intends on changing names in the stories, but telling it as close to the truth as she remembers as possible. Anyway she was 10 when she was raped by her first step-father and even younger when she had an "encounter" with her older brother.

What I see in the stories, especially the father-daughter incest stories, is a blatant attempt to make sure the reader understands the daughter is at least 18 years old. Some stories go on and talk about the daughters being put into foster homes. Now come on, 18, 20, even 21-year-olds being put into foster homes? It really detracts from the stories.

Or are we just simply not allowed to tell a story about a girl under the age of 18?

 

[Guest]

It's in the submission rules, no under 18 sex...sorry there are other websites that allow it.

 

[minsue]

AFIK, under current US law the site owners could be charged under child pornography statutes if they published stories about sex invoving minors (under 18).

Sorry.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

It seems that the stories always go out of their way to make sure the reader knows the girls in the stories are 18 or older. OK so I've only read a few dozen stories but it sure seems that way. Is that for some legal reason to protect literotica or the author?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, I do it to protect myself. I personally have no desire to write anything about any underage characters in sexual situations.

 

[3113]

You can obliquely refer to events that happened to someone in their past (aka, an adult woman can say, "I was molested as a child..."). But there's no way that you can SHOW that sexual abuse in the story. The rules are that there can be no sexual situations with any characters under 18--male or female.

Furthermore, you can't even detail/show a real rape. There's some argument about the "nonconscent" category and even the incest category, but in the end, both are usually about reluctant sex (which often becomes hot and erotic and willing) rather than outright rape (granted, they walk a very fine line). So even if your step-daughter altered the story so that the character representing her was 18, it would still get rejected because this site won't post stories showing a rape. Rape can be referenced as having happened to a character, but not shown.

You can see why if you keep in mind that this is a venue for erotic literature. The owners do not want to post a story where rape, however truthfully or terrifyingly narrated, might be considered erotic by a reader.

 

[Guest]

You can obliquely refer to events that happened to someone in their past (aka, an adult woman can say, "I was molested as a child..."). But there's no way that you can SHOW that sexual abuse in the story. The rules are that there can be no sexual situations with any characters under 18--male or female.

Furthermore, you can't even detail/show a real rape. There's some argument about the "nonconscent" category and even the incest category, but in the end, both are usually about reluctant sex (which often becomes hot and erotic and willing) rather than outright rape (granted, they walk a very fine line). So even if your step-daughter altered the story so that the character representing her was 18, it would still get rejected because this site won't post stories showing a rape. Rape can be referenced as having happened to a character, but not shown.

You can see why if you keep in mind that this is a venue for erotic literature. The owners do not want to post a story where rape, however truthfully or terrifyingly narrated, might be considered erotic by a reader.

I've read stories that deal with rape here, where the character doesn't get all hot and bothered by it...

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I've read stories that deal with rape here, where the character doesn't get all hot and bothered by it...

that's a line they're more willing to cross, I think, than the underage taboo...

 

[Vincent E]

It seems that the stories always go out of their way to make sure the reader knows the girls in the stories are 18 or older. OK so I've only read a few dozen stories but it sure seems that way. Is that for some legal reason to protect literotica or the author?

My step-daughter and I are interested in putting to paper some stories from her life, going way back when she was very young (pre-teen). She was raped by a family member and wants to tell the story. I told her I would help by writing it down. She has shared the stories with me verbally but wants it written out. She intends on changing names in the stories, but telling it as close to the truth as she remembers as possible. Anyway she was 10 when she was raped by her first step-father and even younger when she had an "encounter" with her older brother.

What I see in the stories, especially the father-daughter incest stories, is a blatant attempt to make sure the reader understands the daughter is at least 18 years old. Some stories go on and talk about the daughters being put into foster homes. Now come on, 18, 20, even 21-year-olds being put into foster homes? It really detracts from the stories.

Or are we just simply not allowed to tell a story about a girl under the age of 18?

It seems to me that your step-daughter's story might be more appropriate as an autobiography of a rape survivor. If she wants to tell her story and have you ghost write it for a mainstream audience, relating the crime that was committed against her at a young age would not run afoul of child pornography laws.

If she is a survivor of rape and child molestation, and she is strong enough to share her life story with others, especially other victims, she would be doing a service to others.

If she is serious about doing that, don't waste that story on Literotica. Find a more mainstream audience that could benefit from a full autobiography.

For practical reasons I am not interested in writing under-18 stories. Let's face it, no one really knows how to fuck until they are in their early thirties.

 

[3113]

I've read stories that deal with rape here, where the character doesn't get all hot and bothered by it...

Actually, you're right and as I, myself, did something like that in one story, I'd better backpetal and modify.....

From what's being said, I'm getting the idea that the step-daughter wants to tell about this molestation realistically and honestly, and that this repeated, noncon insest is going to be more than just a scene, it's going to be the entire story. My guess is that Lit would find this too "extreme." Here's what they have to say on that subject:

Your story was too extreme for our guidelines. These judgments are subjective, and thus we can't give an exact definition of what exactly is "too much". Certain "violence" in a BDSM situation between consenting adults may be allowed, while the same "violence" between strangers in a non-consentual situation will not. Tone and respect for characters, as well as the "violent" scene within the context of the story, are what we make our judgments upon.

The devil is in that "tone and respect" part. The more fantastic the tone, the more likely a nonconsent incest story might pass however violent; the more realistic the tone of a nonconsent incest story, the more likely it could be rejected even if there's very little violence.

 

[AchtungNight]

my thoughts on this

JBrown2: My sympathies to your daughter. I hope it helps her to get the story out there and written down.

On the subject of characters under 18, I understand the site policies and I will continue to follow them. However, I have often enjoyed reading tales where the characters are teenagers (I seek them out at other sites). Never children, though- that's just too ugh for me.

My story "Conviction: In Mens Rea" is the closest I will ever come to dealing with rape.

 

[Matadore]

Yep, yep, yep...all true

...I, myself, did something like that in one story, I'd better backpetal and modify.....
...fantastic the tone, the more likely a nonconsent incest story might pass however violent...

I wrote a story and had it published here. It was a brutal, homosexual rape, but it was part of the symbolism of the sub-plot and it was over the top non-human fantasy. I thought about doing the same with beastiality in the same series of chapters, but managed to invent another plot device to carry the symbolism for that part of the sub-plot.

This story is not as violent nor as brutal nor as realistic as de Sade, but the symbolism is also more obscure. Also, my work here discussed does not involve minors (except as fantasy characters).

Also, besides being critical to the sub-plot, it was not about rape or beastiality.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You can obliquely refer to events that happened to someone in their past (aka, an adult woman can say, "I was molested as a child..."). But there's no way that you can SHOW that sexual abuse in the story. The rules are that there can be no sexual situations with any characters under 18--male or female.

Furthermore, you can't even detail/show a real rape. There's some argument about the "nonconscent" category and even the incest category, but in the end, both are usually about reluctant sex (which often becomes hot and erotic and willing) rather than outright rape (granted, they walk a very fine line). So even if your step-daughter altered the story so that the character representing her was 18, it would still get rejected because this site won't post stories showing a rape. Rape can be referenced as having happened to a character, but not shown.

You can see why if you keep in mind that this is a venue for erotic literature. The owners do not want to post a story where rape, however truthfully or terrifyingly narrated, might be considered erotic by a reader.

They are quite rigid about the age rule. I had one story describing how a husband and wife had sex, and she was just 16. Even though they were married, I couldn't include it. I changed her age to 18 and it detracted from the story but was acceptable.

Rape might be acceptable under certain circumstances. I have a story in the erotic horror category about a man who rapes a woman. It was an entry in the Halloween Contest last year. I have one in the gay male category about two men who rape another man in jail. The victim discovers he likes it, which may be why it was accepted and was posted as it was.

I submitted another story describing a violent anal rape of a man and it was rejected as being too violent.

 

[jbrown2]

Under age of 18 stories

Wow, thanks for all the feedback and information everyone. I think I understand the position literotica is taking. We may have to go to another venue for her younger years as some here have suggested. For literotica we can pick up when she turned 18 in high school. She was pretty "loose" by then as she and her stories tell me. I doubt that she has shared with me all her exploits of her last 8 years (since she was 18, the pre-18 time period now too taboo) but she may open up if we really get serious about this, the writing of her life. Well actually the last 7 as this past year she has settled down and been faithful to her current (second) husband. It is interesting that even though she has shared so much of this part of her life with me she has made me pledge to never tell her mother (my wife). She has also kept to herself all that has ever gone on in her "counseling" sessions which she has had off and on over the years since before I came into the picture eleven years ago.

Thanks again for all the help. We'll see what comes of it.

 

[Guest]

The whole issue is sex with minors. The US has a majority age at 18. Some countries it is less however since this is a US based site... it has to be set at 18.

If you would like to have some sites that deal with survivor stories or something else speaking to that side of her past feel free to contact me.

 

[frozen_north]

The whole issue is sex with minors. The US has a majority age at 18. Some countries it is less however since this is a US based site... it has to be set at 18.

While the age of majority might be 18, in most states the age of consent is 16, and in some cases even lower.

 

[frozen_north]

Wow, thanks for all the feedback and information everyone. I think I understand the position literotica is taking. We may have to go to another venue for her younger years as some here have suggested. For literotica we can pick up when she turned 18 in high school. She was pretty "loose" by then as she and her stories tell me. I doubt that she has shared with me all her exploits of her last 8 years (since she was 18, the pre-18 time period now too taboo) but she may open up if we really get serious about this, the writing of her life. Well actually the last 7 as this past year she has settled down and been faithful to her current (second) husband. It is interesting that even though she has shared so much of this part of her life with me she has made me pledge to never tell her mother (my wife). She has also kept to herself all that has ever gone on in her "counseling" sessions which she has had off and on over the years since before I came into the picture eleven years ago.

Thanks again for all the help. We'll see what comes of it.

www.storiesonline.net is a good site. They take pretty much everything so there should be no problems. I had a story that was rejected here because of the age, so I posted it there in its original form until I can rewrite it and make it acceptable here (though it is seriously going to detract from the story).

However, by the sound of it, an erotic stories site may not be the venue you are looking for, though in truth I wouldn't be able to direct you to a better one. I second the idea that if your daughter is serious about this, she may wish to look first to a rape survivors site.

 

[Guest]

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[frozen_north]

What if the story is about a 65 yr old former prostitutes brain being transplanted into a buxom 15 yr old? Or how 'bout a 15 yr old nymphomaniac that has done the Freaky Friday thing with her 35 yr old mother?

Actually, I've seen such stories. Not quite my taste though.