Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

[Frimost]

The Sunday Chicago Tribune has bios on them all...

Lets start with a few and I shall add some more later on tomarrow:

Edward Spreitzer 1986
Kidnapped, murdered and mutilated Linda Sutton, 26, near Villa Park in 1981. Sutton was one of 17 women police believe was sexually assaulted and killed by Spreitzer and his friends.

Latasha Pullman 1994
Strangled 6-year-old neighbor, Shenosha Richards in 1991 after luring her to her Chicago apartment, where she and her male roomate raped the girl.

Neils Nielsen 1996
Shot former wife, Sue Marshel Gelisinger, and her daughter, Melinda 13, in 1995. The Wayne City man dismembered the bodies and burned the remains on a trash pile.

Jacquiline A. Williams 1998
Shot a pregnant woman in her Addison home in 1995, cut the baby from her womb and stabbed her two children. Her accomplice, Fedell Caffey, alos on death row.

John Childress 1991
Stabbed Sara Cardona, 30, while sexually assaulting her in front of her 6-year old son at the victim's apartment on the West Side in 1989.

Demetrius Henderson 1987
Sexually assaulted, stabbed and drove over Kimberely Boyd, 15, after a South Side party in 1986.

Anton Brown 2000
Stabbed his girlfriend and drowned her two young children in 1990 in the Chicago Housing Authority's Stateway Gardens apartments after an argument over his drug use.

Lorenzo Fayne 2001
Stabbed or strangled four girls, ages 9 to 17, between 1992 and 1993 in the St. Louis area. He sexually assaulted one victim and molested the body of another.

James Foster 1985
Beat his girlfriend, Jacqueline Simmons of Aurora, to death in 1985 because he believed she was seeing other men.

Maurice King 2000
Carpentersville man who stabbed his neighbor, Lola Gooch, 43, and her 4-year old daughter, Alisha, in 1998.

Ronald Kitchen 1990
With another man, killed two women and thier three children in a Southwest Side apartment in 1988 over drug debt. The home was set on fire after the murders.

Paris Sims 1987
Sexually assaulted and stabbed JoAna Bollinger in front of her husband during a robbery at her Belleville home in 1994.

Ernest Jamison 1996
Carjacked and shot Susan Gilmore, a teacher from Rockford, who was his last victim in a three-state killing spree in 1995.

Robert Cloutier 1995
Sexually assaulted and strangled a South Side baretender, Alice Cougler, 29, in 1990 after she offered him a ride home from the bar where she worked.

Jeffrey Rissley 1992
Michigan man convicted in the 1992 abduction and murder of 6-year-old Kahla Lansing in Downstate Spring Valley.

Santana Moss 1999
Ordered his family to stab Diandar Jones, 11, whom he allegedly raped, and her mother, Emma Jones, 30, in the CHA Robert Taylor Homes in 1991.

Keith Shum 1984
Shot Gwendolyn Whipple, 21, who was nine months pregnant, after breaking into her South Side apartment and raping her in 1982.

And someone wants to nominate that old bastard for Nobel Peace Prize for getting these pieces of shit off the hook?!

 

[seXieleXie]

And someone wants to nominate that old bastard for Nobel Peace Prize for getting these pieces of shit off the hook?!

life in prision isn't exactly off the hook.

 

[Sillyman]

Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

life in prision isn't exactly off the hook.

Most people rarely make it past three years in prison without getting killed.

 

[seXieleXie]

Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

Most people rarely make it past three years in prison without getting killed.

so basically they're out of the frying pan and into the fire.





edited to add: where did you get that statistic?

 

[Sillyman]

I want to say the Nation or Mother Jones or some such liberal rag.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

so basically they're out of the frying pan and into the fire.





edited to add: where did you get that statistic?

I'm just going to guess...his ass?

If it were true we'd have a lot of empty prisons.

 

[Sillyman]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

I'm just going to guess...his ass?

If it were true we'd have a lot of empty prisons.

Well we arrest hundreds of people a year.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

Well we arrest hundreds of people a year.

Just hundreds? Since we have over a million in jail, wouldn't it take like....

...calculating...

...5,000+ years to get to a million at 100's (2) per year?

 

[Sillyman]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

Just hundreds? Since we have over a million in jail, wouldn't it take like....

...calculating...

...5,000+ years to get to a million at 100's (2) per year?

I was just being conservative since I didn't know what the actual number was and I really don't want to spend my morning hunting for it.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

I was just being conservative since I didn't know what the actual number was and I really don't want to spend my morning hunting for it.

Conservative? If I had to guess I'd say that hundreds of people get arrested in the city of Los Angeles proper every day, and that might even be low.

That adds up to a hell of a lot more than hundreds a year in the whole country.

There must be something I'm not getting here...

 

[Sillyman]

Conservative? If I had to guess I'd say that hundreds of people get arrested in the city of Los Angeles proper every day, and that might even be low.

That adds up to a hell of a lot more than hundreds a year in the whole country.

There must be something I'm not getting here...

I just didn't know what a reasonable number to throw out would be. I'm sorry.

 

[Problem Child]

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At the middle of last year, prisons and jails held 1,860,520 adults, according to a Bureau of Justice Statistics report. With an increase of 60,000 prisoners over the previous year, the United States may have matched or even surpassed Russia as the country with the highest rate of incarceration.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/prisons000420.html

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I was curious so I did a quick search. 60,000 new prisoners last year, and that's just the ones convicted. I'm not sure what the conviction:arrest ratio in the U.S. is.

3 or 4 to one maybe?


Edit: No prob, sillyman. I wasn't sure if I was understanding what you were saying.

 

[lavender]

It's called beating a dead horse. It's PC's new pasttime. He learned it by watching me.

 

[Problem Child]

It's called beating a dead horse. It's PC's new pasttime. He learned it by watching me.

Well, you have to admit it his numbers were pretty far off the mark. I thought he might be talking about the number of serial murderers arrested per year or something, so piss off...I wanted to check for myself.

Oh...Raiders 30, Jets 10.

 

[Sillyman]

I did know the number is high and that we have one of the largest amounts of people in prison in the world.

I always fuck up with population numbers though, so I try to stay away from them.

I'll at least go out on a limb and say the death rate is really high. I suck at searching for these things, so I can't get an actual figure.

 

[SINthysist]

Re: Re: Re: Get to know some of the filth George scum-bag Ryan gave clemency to

Most people rarely make it past three years in prison without getting killed.

Would you care to back that up with some facts?

Most of this list would have been dead by now...

 

[SINthysist]

I mean, if you RARELY live past three years..

DOLT!

 

[SINthysist]

Gawd it JUST kills me to say this but,

good go PC...

 

[SINthysist]

I did know the number is high and that we have one of the largest amounts of people in prison in the world.

I always fuck up with population numbers though, so I try to stay away from them.

I'll at least go out on a limb and say the death rate is really high. I suck at searching for these things, so I can't get an actual figure.

You're out on a pine needle at best...

 

[SINthysist]

You may want to avoid simple logic as well...

 

[Lasher]

Just wanted to point out that once again Frimost is an idiot.

His thread title states that George Ryan gave clemency to the 167 or so death row inmates in the state of Illinois. If that were the case every last damn one of them would've been walking out the door yesterday.

What Ryan did was commute the sentences from death to life in prison without parole for I believe all but 4 of the inmates in question.

This is why no one takes you seriously, Frimost. Get your fucking facts straight.

Thanks.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Ditto anyone who above said this was stupid. He's not giving clemency to anyone, he's doing anything to anyone, he's doing away with a faulty system that has killed innocent people.

By the way, he's FOR capital punishment.

 

[Thrillhouse]

Ryan also freed four Death Row inmates - who all served 12-17 years - whose convictions were based on confessions that were tortured out of them by Chicago cops.

In addition:


The governor said at least 33 people convicted of murder and not sentenced to death have been found to have been wrongfully convicted since 1977. On Friday, he pardoned one of them: Miguel Castillo, who spent 11 years in prison for a murder he could not have committed because he was in jail at the time. Castillo's conviction was thrown out earlier.

Ryan also pardoned Gary Dotson, who served several years in prison for rape before his attacker recanted and DNA evidence proved him innocent.

(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/01/10/national1737EST0776.DTL)

However, yes, he is a scumbag politician who will most likely be serving some time himself. I believe he did the right thing for the wrong reason.

 

[Frimost]

Most people rarely make it past three years in prison without getting killed.

You must be wrong, those dates I have next to thier name are the dates they were sent to the slammer, as you can see most of them have already been there for more than three years.

For example:

Hector Sanchez 1984
Kidnapped and strangled Moody Bible Institute student Kristen Kent, 24, on the North Side in 1984.

that is 18 years in...

Drew Terrell 1995
Sexually assaulted and killed 15-month-old Laura Hampton while he was baby-sitting her in a West Side apartment in 1995.

That is 7 years in..

Edward A. Moore Jr. 1992
Raped and burned to death Grundy County resident Judy Zeman in 1991. He had been working for her as a house painter.

10 years in...

Robert Todd 1990
Strangled and stabbed Sandra Shelton, 32, while trying to sexually assault her in 1989 in Downstate Bechemeyer.

12 years in...

Robert G. Turner 1986
Stabbed Bridget Drobney, 16, in a Macoupin County cornfield in 1985 after he and two other men used a flashing red light resembling that of a police car to pull her over.

16 years in...

Jerry Ward 1988
Shot Heard, 33, and beat Heard's girlfriend, Pamela Williams, 25, with a car jack during a 1986 robbery on the West Side.

14 years in...

Joseph P. Miller 1994
Killed three Downstate women in Peoria, Bartonville and Rantoul in 1993. He also is serving life sentence for the 1993 murder of another Peoria woman.

8 years in...

Robert K. Jones
Shot Darin Oellerich, 24, then sexually assaulted and shot Oellerich's girlfriend, Rhonda Wurm, 25 as they slept in thier Apple River home in 1999.

The only person so far under three years.

 

[miles]

Just wanted to point out that once again Frimost is an idiot.

His thread title states that George Ryan gave clemency to the 167 or so death row inmates in the state of Illinois. If that were the case every last damn one of them would've been walking out the door yesterday.

What Ryan did was commute the sentences from death to life in prison without parole for I believe all but 4 of the inmates in question.

This is why no one takes you seriously, Frimost. Get your fucking facts straight.

Thanks.

Clemency means lenience, not a pardon.