Get O'er it

[MyNecroticSnail]

O'er
the word went out with Hopkins, He used it for a reason. We don't have to. I think it looks more like an affectation, than an effective rythm marker.

Your thoughts, M' Dears.

I must admit to a deep and unnatural affection for Lord Byron
does anyone else share this secret shame?

Bob Southey! You're a poet -- Poet-laureate,
......And representative of all the race,
Although 't is true that you turn'd out a Tory at
...... Last, -- yours has lately been a common case;
And now, my Epic Renegade! what are ye at?
......With all the Lakers, in and out of place?
A nest of tuneful persons, to my eye
Like "four and twenty Blackbirds in a pye;

This may have been before they moved to LA

 

[Liar]

When I try to pronounce "o'er", it had the same rhythm as "over" anyway. So I fail to see the point in that regard.

 

[bogusbrig]

O'er
the word went out with Hopkins, He used it for a reason. We don't have to. I think it looks more like an affectation, than an effective rythm marker.

Your thoughts, M' Dears.

I must admit to a deep and unnatural affection for Lord Byron
does anyone else share this secret shame?

Bob Southey! You're a poet -- Poet-laureate,
......And representative of all the race,
Although 't is true that you turn'd out a Tory at
...... Last, -- yours has lately been a common case;
And now, my Epic Renegade! what are ye at?
......With all the Lakers, in and out of place?
A nest of tuneful persons, to my eye
Like "four and twenty Blackbirds in a pye;

This may have been before they moved to LA

Any man that can turn a good woman bad and make her purr with whoremoans deserves admiration. As for affection, he got more than his fair share in life.

O'er it is slang where I grew up and was pronounce oor, as in 'ger oor it'

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

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Gaia_Lorraine has a piece out, Poetic Snail, that appears to have been inspired by our own Snail.



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I second this
Who guard oe’r my poetic snow

You got that right, you have more of a reason to use oe'r here than in the other one. I'm a little confused as to what the C aps are all about. If I could im pose on either the reviewer or Gaia to give me a breakdown. I must admit I'm a little stressed o'er this.

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

Note to G_L

hey babe, take a walk on the wild side - Lou Reed
or was it
Vicious
You hit me with a flower
You do it every hour
Ohh, baby youre so vicious

You have every right to disagree, I have every right to point out what I think are mistakes. We can either talk poetry or trade sarcasm. One I'm ok with, the other...well now
Bring it on over.

Interesting... an H for it, so few comments? Why is that?

 

[Angeline]

O'er it is slang where I grew up and was pronounce oor, as in 'ger oor it'

Ahahaha! I like that! Marvelous modern usage of an antiquated term.

As for the term, I use it if it works in the context of what I'm writing. Angeline rules out nothing. Nada.

Get oor that!

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

Ahahaha! I like that! Marvelous modern usage of an antiquated term.

As for the term, I use it if it works in the context of what I'm writing. Angeline rules out nothing. Nada.

Get oor that!

I like bogusbrig's use also. It's real.

Perhaps, Angeline would give a ruling? if ever posted.

Lookin mo' like do'n' say nuthin' bad about my baby

 

[Angeline]

I like bogusbrig's use also. It's real.

Perhaps, Angeline would give a ruling? if ever posted.

Lookin mo' like do'n' say nuthin' bad about my baby

Here's my rule:

Use whatever you want, but make it work.

I can't be more specific than that (and, believe me, I love specific) because there are so many variations of what "make it work" could mean. Except, don't be sloppy--nothing sloppy works. You know what I mean.

Anyway, that's how I see it.



PS Thank you for the jazz rhythm in the last line of your post. I always appreciate that.

 

[Gaia_Lorraine]

I second this
Who guard oe’r my poetic snow

You got that right, you have more of a reason to use oe'r here than in the other one. I'm a little confused as to what the C aps are all about. If I could im pose on either the reviewer or Gaia to give me a breakdown. I must admit I'm a little stressed o'er this.

Allow me to explain...
First if you display Poetic Snail on your screen and tap your foot to a 3/3 rythm you will discover that the Caps coincide with the first beat of the bar. I did this deliberately so that anyone reading could feel the flow of a poem that would ultimately reveal the exact same beat in Little Greek Houses.
And that is precisely why that poem uses oe'r
Poetry does not use musical nomenclature to define a rythm, speed or stress which could have otherwise guided the reader to a deeper understanding of the poem. This leaves the author open to potentially unwarranted criticism.
Along with word play, merging a subject with a rythm has often been my style and I intend to continue with both.

But please don't let it stress you out

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

stress 'twas a joke. I have a sense of humor, I gave you a 100, despite...
Put the other up, with the comments, full.
I think you have something there, it is worth getting more comments on. Not dumb blind scores. I also think I have a few points. Choice is yours. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I expect the same from you.
Without out going back to it, I don't think you did strict scansion on it, did you? Let's see it. If so why? I want to see why this O'er is so important to you. I want to see what others say about the commas, eerie.

Or would you rather play selective smart ass, I can do that too.

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

I am serious,
Little Greek Houses does deserve more comments on, post it, with my comment and your reply, you may learn something, I may learn something, we all may learn something about the grand scheme of what comments are for.
This is not so much a matter of who is right, just what could be better.

after all god forbid, I continue to leave bad comments

 

[Sienna]

I have to say I'm all for literary improvements!

However, I think poets, writers and any other artist have the "individual" right to "form" their creations in their own typical "style", even if words are altered or even "invented" such as... o'er.

Thought I'd just mention my opinion

 

[TheRainMan]

I have to say I'm all for literary improvements!

However, I think poets, writers and any other artist have the "individual" right to "form" their creations in their own typical "style", even if words are altered or even "invented" such as... o'er.

Thought I'd just mention my opinion

wow. you really are blonde, aren't you.

. . . sorry. i couldn't resist.

 

[WickedEve]

even if words are altered or even "invented" such as... o'er.

O'er the ramparts...

 

[Sienna]

wow. you really are blonde, aren't you.

. . . sorry. i couldn't resist.

Funny

 

[TheRainMan]

Funny

and ummm . . . in your sig line, where it says I maybe blonde, but I'm not stupid . . . you might think about separating the 2 words may and be . . . unless you're shooting for irony.

 

[Sienna]

and ummm . . . in your sig line, where it says I maybe blonde, but I'm not stupid . . . you might think about separating the 2 words may and be . . . unless you're shooting for irony.

Cool... I'll consider it



Done... thankyou

 

[colddiesel]

Dialect

Sienna (Derbyshire) Bogusbrig (Lancashire) and myself (Gloucestershire) all originate in parts of England where there are very distinct and different local dialects.These odd words which seem a bit archaic are not so peculiar to us perhaps as they may be to American ears?

 

[Sienna]

Sienna (Derbyshire) Bogusbrig (Lancashire) and myself (Gloucestershire) all originate in parts of England where there are very distinct and different local dialects.These odd words which seem a bit archaic are not so peculiar to us perhaps as they may be to American ears?

Exactly ... lots of the old English poets such as Keats and Wordsworth often wrote in their "local" accents...

Thankyou colddiesel

 

[TheRainMan]

Exactly ... lots of the old English poets such as Keats and Wordsworth often wrote in their "local" accents...

Thankyou colddiesel

of course . . . but . . .

the question that matters now, and that was implicit in the first post by MyNecroticSnail when he said "O'er . . . the word went out with Hopkins, He used it for a reason. We don't have to. I think it looks more like an affectation, than an effective rhythm marker" is ...

do the good, comtemporary British poets use it?

i don't know for sure, but my guess is that they do not.

 

[Sienna]

of course . . . but . . .

the question that matters now, and that was implicit in the first post by MyNecroticSnail when he said "O'er . . . the word went out with Hopkins, He used it for a reason. We don't have to. I think it looks more like an affectation, than an effective rhythm marker" is ...

do the good, comtemporary British poets use it?

i don't know for sure, but my guess is that they do not.

Oh believe me, modern English poets do use dialect as colddiesel rightly suggested. And Gaia_Lorraine is from Lancashire originally... a northern English accent...

But, despite that, I think "modern english poets" have a tendancy to return to their old "language style past", especially those I have heard recently and Gaia_Lorraine is no exception...



I Wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed--and gazed--but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

William Wordsworth 1804

 

[TheRainMan]

Oh believe me, modern English poets do use dialect as colddiesel rightly suggested. And Gaia_Lorraine is from Lancashire originally... a northern English accent...

But, despite that, I think "modern english poets" have a tendancy to return to their old "language style past", especially those I have heard recently and Gaia_Lorraine is no exception...

that surprises me, if it's true.

i am not disrespecting anyone when i say this, but i was asking about the contemporary poets from the Isles whose work has been judged good enough to appear in the places that matter ... Seamus Heaney, Barry MacSweeney, poets of that stature.

i am not nearly as well read in British/Irish poetry as i am in American, but i have seen no archaic language that i recall in the top contemporary British/Irish poetry i have read.

for what it's worth, unless it's done with incredible skill (or with a flair for jest), archaic language in poetry now, to me, denotes a high level of amateurism.

 

[Sienna]

that surprises me, if it's true.

i am not disrespecting anyone when i say this, but i was asking about the contemporary poets from the Isles whose work has been judged good enough to appear in the places that matter ... Seamus Heaney, Barry MacSweeney, poets of that stature.

i am not nearly as well read in British/Irish poetry as i am in American, but i have seen no archaic language that i recall in the top contemporary British/Irish poetry i have read.

for what it's worth, unless it's done with incredible skill (or with a flair for jest), archaic language in poetry now, to me, denotes a high level of amateurism.

Oh I agree... it does need "skill"

 

[TheRainMan]

Oh I agree... it does need "skill"

we all know Wordsworth, et al.

poetry has evolved since then, not stood still.

can you please cite a poem (and paste it here, if possible) from a top contemporary poet from the Isles who uses archaic language?

i am very curious. i read extensively (though admittedly mostly American), and to me, it just isn't being done . . . and for very good reason.

 

[Sienna]

we all know Wordsworth, et al.

poetry has evolved since then, not stood still.

can you please cite a poem (and paste it here, if possible) from a top contemporary poet from the Isles who uses archaic language?

i am very curious. i read extensively (though admittedly mostly American), and to me, it just isn't being done . . . and for very good reason.

OK...

Remember my first comments...

"However, I think poets, writers and any other artist have the "individual" right to "form" their creations in their own typical "style", even if words are altered or even "invented" such as... o'er."

Gaia_Lorraine is "experimenting" with her own individual style, based on her own local accent... Lancashire, northern england, like Wordsworth...

She is trying, no doubt to re-introduce her "dialect" into her poetry... her form of "individuality" ... please, understand this... she is skilled in that because ever since she was born and long before that, the old dialect of Lancashire is still present, unchanged since Wordsworth's days...

I hope this helps you understand, TheRainMan and others who find non-conformity in Gaia_Lorraine's poetry...

Let's call it... Artistic Licence