Gender vs Race

[CelestialBody]

 

[Todd]

To me niether is a barrier.

AS a former employee hirier.

I would hire on ability not ethnic origin or gender.

 

[CelestialBody]

Ohhh...

 

[Todd]

in real life I am the same.

I find personal attitudes the hardest thing to overcome.

Ethnic origins and Gender are easy to deprogram yourself from. but whomeever your with its hardest to change thier attiudal outlooks.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I voted for gender

Eventually I think the ethnic differences will be tolerated and minimized by most people, but the gender differences are more "real" than assumed ethnic differences, people will always discriminate on the basis of gender (to one degree or another) and gender bias is a lot more prevelant in all cultures and situations (family, employment, academic, etc.).

That doesn't mean I agree with gender bias, just that gender bias is more endemic than ethnic bias.

 

[CelestialBody]

Re: I voted for gender

 

[Todd]

1. I am human

all else is insidental {sp?} to me.

I'll be your{generic your} freind regardless your ethnic background, location, gender. The only thing that will prevent that from happening is you{generic you}.

 

[modest mouse]

my opinion....

I hesitate to get into these discussions because I seem to end up being berated. But I should be used to that by now.

I think that the biggest issue is that minorities (in this country), whether it be ethnic or gender feel they must gain acceptance into what is now a white male power base. At least on some level people need to create their own world in which to thrive. I am not naive enough to think that forces of oppression are not at work, just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Re: Re: I voted for gender

1. I am a human being
2. I am a woman
3. I am a Hindu
4. I am an American


Sex before race here as well. That's how I classify myself... what about you? (Not just for STG.)

1) I am a human male (I don't separate my gender from my species), with free will, a love of liberty, other humans and above all else, the truth (as much as I can discover by reason and observation).

2) I am a Christian.

3) I am an citizen of the USA.

 

[Cheyenne]

I picked option number 4 only because I am white. I can tell you about gender based barriers, but I have no personal knowledge of being a member of a minority race. Race is not a barrier for me at all.

 

[cyndiesweet]

I chose gender.

Mostly because of my upbringing in a very strict,christian church. Women should not speak in the church, should always cover their heads, should obey their husbands, should keep their opinions to themselves or just not have any but rather ask their husband or father what theirs is, rape, molestation in any form is always the females fault even if the female is a child, women who have premarital sex are whores men who do were tempted by an evil woman.......... I could go on but you get the picture.Sounds archaic? Absolutely. Is it still being taught to little boys and girls? You bet!

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[cymbidia]

#3 for me

1. I'm a human female
2. I'm a mother, lover, friend, sometimes co-worker
3. I'm a sexually submissive masochist
4. I'm a teacher.


In no way does race affect my life; i'm a financially-secure white woman.

Gender considerations don't affect me much either. I'm educated and well-spoken, and i don't often take any shit off anyone ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything looking like it might approach gender issues.

A side example (please don't wade through it all unless you're interesed in the dicrimination middle school girls face in extra-curricular sports activities here in White Bread Central aka Survivalist Country aka Bible Belt Ground Zero aka eastern WA/northern ID):

Along with two friends, my 13 year old daughter K, the one who has done gymnastics since she was four years old and is quite good now, decided to join her school's wrestling team. Her father and i were a bit trepiditious given wrestling's well-known penchant for emphasis on weight reduction and K's history of anorexia, but we all talked it out and agreed on a plan of parent-reassuring weight checks.

Additionally, i spent days talking to K about the intimate - though never sexual - holds she will both have to do and have to have done to her body. We talked about the disparaging comments she might have to face for choosing to do this, as well as those of praise and support that will come her way.

You see, these girls are the first ever on the wrestling team here in culturally backward, 20-years-behind-the-times [town name deleted] WA.

At the very first team meeting, the school's Athletic Director told the girls, in public, in the course of the meeting, that he didn't want them on the team *BECAUSE* they were girls. He explained that they might win a practice meet with one of their teammates and that would hurt the boy's feelings and discourage him. He, the Athletic Director, didn't want any boys to get hurt feelings cuz a girl (yuck! ptooey! cooties!) beat him.

A few days after that little meeting, during the time i was carefully talking to K about the probs she might encounter in pursuing this wrestling team thing, that AD, apparently told a couple more boys, in private, to find the girls during regular school hours and try to discourage them from continuing to want to be on the team. One of them came and told the girls about it.

Off i went to the office to talk to the Admininstration, copies of Title IX and the Civil Rights Act and the Washington State stauates affecting the issue of gender equality in public schools in hand.

Upshot? The girls are on the team. No one is going to fuck with them. They're learning and they're all going to stick out the season, two of them cuz we won't let them quit after going to bat for them the way we did and the other cuz the other two are going to stick it out. Ahhhh... peer pressure is such a lovely thing at the tender age of 13, among girls at least.

Gender discrimination is alive and well, girls and boys. Guard your children well.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[sexy-girl]

race ... lets face it your not going to be killed or beat up because of your gender but that is still a danger with your race

think of how many race related crimes are commited nowadays still

genders a barrier still but its a more subtle kind

 

[CelestialBody]

I suppose it should have been worded better

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Re: #3 for me

Upshot? The girls are on the team. No one is going to fuck with them. They're learning and they're all going to stick out the season, two of them cuz we won't let them quit after going to bat for them the way we did and the other cuz the other two are going to stick it out. Ahhhh... peer pressure is such a lovely thing at the tender age of 13, among girls at least.[/COLOR]

Gender discrimination is alive and well, girls and boys. Guard your children well.

The girls are on the team, but is the AD out? If I had my way such a person would be fire with prejudice. Such people have no business being in teaching profession.

 

[EthiopianPrince]

Here's the paradox

I think white females have more advantages then men of color, but I wouldn't give up my penis to be white! I'm way to attached to the darn thing.