Gender Ideology Harms Children...

[BabblingBrooke]

So says a new report from the American College of Pediatricians...

Interesting to say the least. Article

 

[Magicscreen2]

That is really interesting. I'm surprised they've taken such a forward position on this.

fwiw, I don't disagree with them.

 

[RoryN]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"...socially Conservative association..."

Why did you start this thread without including this info?

 

[BabblingBrooke]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"...socially Conservative association..."

Why did you start this thread without including this info?

You know, I was thinking it was the AAP. Still, even with a conservative ideology, it's still an organization comprised of MDs and worth reading.

 

[RoryN]

You know, I was thinking it was the AAP. Still, even with a conservative ideology, it's still an organization comprised of MDs and worth reading.

They wanted you to think they're the AAP. It's deception.

They don't think same-sex couples should adopt, either.

 

[Magicscreen2]

You know, I was thinking it was the AAP. Still, even with a conservative ideology, it's still an organization comprised of MDs and worth reading.

I was thinking AAP, too.

Their intention may be ideological, but a lifetime of puberty blocking drugs beginning in adolescence is really an astounding prospect. I would be surprised if the AAP supported that either. (But I don't know their position.)

 

[pointless]

You know, I was thinking it was the AAP. Still, even with a conservative ideology, it's still an organization comprised of MDs and worth reading.

and doctors are still people capable of allowing their personal thoughts and feelings to influence and destroy their objectivity.

 

[RoryN]

Also, no sex until marriage.

Nothing like an org with 1950s principles talking about gender ideology. It's like a Model A mechanic working on a Tesla.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

So says a new report from the American College of Pediatricians...

Interesting to say the least. Article

Oh I get it, patriarchal Conservatism is not a form of gender ideology... because... RATIONALIZATIONS, perhaps?

Bah.

Conservatism and feminism are both toxic forms of gender ideologies. The authors of this article can go sod off.

 

[yossi]

When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V). The psychodynamic and social learning theories of GD/GID have never been disproved.

It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender.

Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.

Interesting stuff.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

Also, no sex until marriage.

Nothing like an org with 1950s principles talking about gender ideology. It's like a Model A mechanic working on a Tesla.

I don't fully agree with the article, but I do question blocking puberty. Puberty is a natural, biological process. Blocking it with medications must have consequences. It's up to the individuals to accept potential consequences. Medications always come with a risk of unintended effects; more often than not we accept these because of the benefits of the meds. I just found this article interesting, worth a conversation.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't fully agree with the article, but I do question blocking puberty. Puberty is a natural, biological process. Blocking it with medications must have consequences. It's up to the individuals to accept potential consequences. Medications always come with a risk of unintended effects; more often than not we accept these because of the benefits of the meds. I just found this article interesting, worth a conversation.

Can we start with the premise that gender ideology harms children, and why it is implied that Conservative traditional gender ideology isn't an example of an ideology that harms children?

 

[RoryN]

I don't fully agree with the article, but I do question blocking puberty.

That's fine, but its not the title of the article - which paints with an alarmist, wide brush.

Puberty blockers would be a good subject to tackle. But the article's intent undermines that discussion, so I personally wouldn't use it as the launching point.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Interesting stuff.

When I was a larval psychologist back in the 60s queer was a bonafide mental disorder mom's created. Mom's also made boys schizophrenic. I recall that the famous Harry Stack Sullivan, M.D. usta make staff beat up schizophrenics to make contact with them. Reach out and touch someone. I watched 2 patients die of brain tumors their MDs diagnosed as schizophrenia. I trust nothing the APA endorses, and cross-dressing is impersonation. A male can no more imagine himself female than he can imagine being a gerbil.

 

[yossi]

As enlightening as ever, James.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

~yawn~

Pretty predictable conversation dominates. My ideology says that no harm comes to you if Bobby wants to be Suzy therefore and push back to my ideology is ideologically-driven and therefore invalid. They are clearly not stating facts. Everyone I know is a REAL scientist knows that XY and XX and right-wing propaganda because there is an implied z leading to XYz, Xzz, XXz, YYz...,

Yeah, I know, why discuss facts, even as parody when they are not needed, so we just simply stop at calling bullshit; we're so right that we do not need to debunk "conservative Science.

The website is certainly not bathed in "deceit." They clearly state who and what they are and what their goals are.

Back to the 50s? Gee, you guys need to get a new line.

Note the unsubtle and inclusionary language:

"To this end, we recognize the basic father-mother family unit, within the context of marriage, to be the optimal setting for childhood development, but pledge our support to all children, regardless of their circumstances."

If you can find a reason to hate from this, then you, not they, are the partisan problem.

 

[warrior queen]

Good Lord
Yet another thing that hurts poor little kiddies.
Pretty soon, all the bubs will be so coddled and cosseted that they will be practically untouchable, unteachable and unsustainable!

How on earth did we ever manage to grow decent adults before 2010???

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Good Lord
Yet another thing that hurts poor little kiddies.
Pretty soon, all the bubs will be so coddled and cosseted that they will be practically untouchable, unteachable and unsustainable!

How on earth did we ever manage to grow decent adults before 2010???

I think that the same group of people going bananas on the ACP believe that their "enemies*" certainly did not grow into decent adults...






* Conservatives, Evangelicals, Republicans, Economic Libertarians...,

 

[Aella_]

I also think that going too over-the top and force-feeding these inclussive PC attitudes leads to exactly the dangers that they're trying to avoid in the first place. Paradoxically, people end up even more polarized in their attitudes, and some get fed up and even more anti and intolerant.

Unless I'm mistaken, I haven't seen all that PC wave permeating australian and new zealand schools. And yet the younger generations here seem pretty tolerant and open-minded. Especially in their attitudes howards people with GIDs.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

As enlightening as ever, James.

I lived all the chic fashion trends from the 40s till now. And 30 years from now youll shake your head, too, as the current fashion is so yesterday.

 

[yossi]

I'm already shaking my head at what goes on today. What I found interesting about the above quotes was the ACP citing the DSM-V as a way of legitimizing their stance, when the DSM-V suggests treatment that they're so obviously against.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm already shaking my head at what goes on today. What I found interesting about the above quotes was the ACP citing the DSM-V as a way to legitimize their stance, when the DSM-V suggests treatment that they're so obviously against.

Its a fact you cant get what insurance wont pay for, so the APA is all about creating disorders insurance pays for. So I expect gender dysphoria to go away.

 

[Aella_]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"...socially Conservative association..."

Why did you start this thread without including this info?

All the Rory roads lead to kumbaya .

ANYWAY :

Fine by me if they do it to people over the age of 18. But can you imagine teaching that ideological stuff to immature impressionable minds?

Quote: " No one is born with an awareness of themselves as male or female; this awareness develops over time and, like all developmental processes, may be derailed by a child’s subjective perceptions, and so on… .. According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty"

Moreover some prepubescents can be just as erratic and impressionable as their adult borderline personality counterparts, and are more prone to gender identity confusion.

How many "misdiagnoses" and such would that lead to?

 

[Smootg103]

All the Rory roads lead to kumbaya .

ANYWAY :

Fine by me if they do it to people over the age of 18. But can you imagine teaching that ideological stuff to immature impressionable minds?

Quote: " No one is born with an awareness of themselves as male or female; this awareness develops over time and, like all developmental processes, may be derailed by a child’s subjective perceptions, and so on… .. According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty"

Moreover some prepubescents can be just as erratic and impressionable as their adult borderline personality counterparts, and are more prone to gender identity confusion.

How many "misdiagnoses" and such would that lead to?

It funny dat you think anybody care what a 3rd world rapist think, brah.

 

[digitalia]

Nothing wrong with pimping to kids that they can be whatever they want to be, as long as they better understand that they will never really be anything else than who they truly are.