Gender Guessor or Alt determinator?

[wishfulthinking]

This is not a fire thrower slash shit storm thread.

If I get it right, boston fiction writer, scouries and sarahhh are believed to be the same person, different alt?

Having an investigative mind, I googled for a gender guesser, and got these:

The bookblog gender genie

Hacker Factor gender guesser

RESULTS
- there is a 10% variation between Scories, Sarahh and BFW. Although if they are more than one person, it is likely Scories, who has the widest variation from the other 2. Sarahhh and BFW have a 5% variation, and all 3 have been identified as being possibly European.
- there is a less than 6% variation between WT and PJ.

If you have an alt, how do they match up?

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Sarahhh - Biography: Female

Bookblog:

Female Score: 984
Male Score: 652

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!​

Hacker:

Genre: Formal
Female = 903
Male = 630
Difference = -273; 41.09%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.​

Scouries - Biography: Male

Bookblog:

Female Score: 998
Male Score: 943

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!​

Hacker:

Genre: Formal
Female = 833
Male = 875
Difference = 42; 51.22%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.​

Bostonfictionwriter - Biography: male

Bookblog:

Female Score: 873
Male Score: 732

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!​

Hacker:

Genre: Formal
Female = 819
Male = 702
Difference = -117; 46.15%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.​

To be fair, I did my own alts:

Wishful - - Biography: Female

Bookblog:

Female Score: 1475
Male Score: 750

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!​

Hacker:

Genre: Formal
Female = 1258
Male = 742
Difference = -516; 37.1%
Verdict: FEMALE​

Wishful's alt princessjennie - Biography: Female

Bookblog:

Female Score: 1356
Male Score: 543

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!​

Hacker:

Genre: Formal
Female = 1200
Male = 549
Difference = -651; 31.38%
Verdict: FEMALE​

 

[Darkniciad]

Bah -- Gender genie fails on nearly every story I've written and identifies me as female

The hacker one gives me the same sort of results, and always indicates European as well. The same stories show up as male on both ( Ebon Genesis, VR: DQs, etc. ) and are the stories that are written from a male perspective, with male main characters.

EDIT: Actually, the second one comes up male or weak male more often, though usually only on the "informal" side. Still heavily weighted toward stories with male main characters coming out with a correct analysis.

 

[SimonBrooke]

Bah -- Gender genie fails on nearly every story I've written and identifies me as female

The hacker one gives me the same sort of results, and always indicates European as well. The same stories show up as male on both ( Ebon Genesis, VR: DQs, etc. ) and are the stories that are written from a male perspective, with male main characters.

Surely if one achieves a 'male' score when writing from a male POV and a 'female' score when writing from a female POV one then that is an indication of successful writing, not of a fault in the scoring system?

 

[Xelebes]

The sample here is useless unless you used larger samples of repeated tests and from there,showed your results. You might come more closer or further to proving your case.

I might go so far as to say that the Oxford-learned need a further talk with the Cambridge-learned - if you get my drift.

 

[glynndah]

I've played with these before. My results are almost always overwhelmingly male.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Myself - male (I checked, I have all the parts where they should be)

Words: 3327

Genie Gender

Female Score: 5374
Male Score: 4063
The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Hacker

Genre: Informal
Female = 4577
Male = 6216
Difference = 1639; 57.59%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Genre: Formal
Female = 4485
Male = 4099
Difference = -386; 47.75%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

I did another, longer, story or mine written in the first person as male and Genie Gender still though I was female. Hacker was no better, split decision.

 

[SimonBrooke]

Surely if one achieves a 'male' score when writing from a male POV and a 'female' score when writing from a female POV one then that is an indication of successful writing, not of a fault in the scoring system?

OK, so now I've played with them.

Part one of my novel Harem, which has a contemporary setting and a female first person narrator:

Words: 15149
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 26209
Male Score: 18247

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 23209
Male = 22065
Difference = -1144; 48.73%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Part six of the same novel, same narrator:

Words: 10376
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 18827
Male Score: 11048

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 11563
Male = 12334
Difference = 771; 51.61%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Chapter one of my novel Incest, which has a contemporary setting and a male first person narrator:

Words: 3069
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 5687
Male Score: 4087

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 4020
Male = 4146
Difference = 126; 50.77%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Chapter twenty of the same novel, same narrator:

Words: 3988
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 6188
Male Score: 5212

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 5782
Male = 6828
Difference = 1046; 54.14%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Not looking so good :-(

My short story Catriona, which also has a male first-person narrator:

Words: 8635
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 16283
Male Score: 10589

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 13621
Male = 12428
Difference = -1193; 47.71%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

My short story Chicken Legs, set in the twelfth century. which has a third person narration but with a male central character:

Words: 4553
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 6753
Male Score: 5792

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 6899
Male = 8380
Difference = 1481; 54.84%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

The sort-of sequel to that story, Innocent, set in a monastery and with only one female character (again, third person narration)

Words: 4393
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 5927
Male Score: 6725

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Genre: Informal
Female = 5632
Male = 10403
Difference = 4771; 64.87%
Verdict: MALE

Part of my fantasy film script For Want of a Nail, in which there are no female speaking parts at all:

Words: 5044
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 6136
Male Score: 7995

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Genre: Informal
Female = 5802
Male = 11880
Difference = 6078; 67.18%
Verdict: MALE

Fragment 4 of my (very unfinished) novel Slave, set in the same world as For Want of a Nail

Words: 3658
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 4601
Male Score: 5648

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Genre: Informal
Female = 4232
Male = 9863
Difference = 5631; 69.97%
Verdict: MALE

My short story Workshop, contemporary setting, male first person narrator:

Words: 11081
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 15459
Male Score: 13146

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Genre: Informal
Female = 14831
Male = 18616
Difference = 3785; 55.65%
Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.

Conclusion: either my birth certificate is wrong, or this technique just isn't very good. The only things Gender Genie correctly recognised as male are a film-script which is necessarily 99% dialogue and has only male characters; part of a fantasy novel; and a short story set in a monastery and with only one female character. All the rest of my writing it misidentifies as female.

Furthermore, the scores are all over the place, ranging from a ratio (female/male) of 0.77 for the film script through to 1.7 for part six of Harem.

Gender Guesser was slightly better, recognising me as male only most of the time; but again it's scores vary between 47% and 69%, which seems a pretty wide range.

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from these scores except that their statistical method really isn't very good.

 

[wishfulthinking]

I checked too, and my parts are where they should be

I thought there would be a large variation between my alts, as PJ writes more for blokes (incest) and WT more for gals (romance etc).

Simon, I'd take it as a compliment that it says you write like a girl

I don't take it is as perfect - I don't know what the philosophy behind it is.

I don't know much about Sarahh, scouries and BFW, except they expect a lot of ass kissing and welcome shit being thrown at them instead. My guess is they are a couple with alts, and its probably not an original one.

 

[wishfulthinking]

I've played with these before. My results are almost always overwhelmingly male.

It must be all the auras you read

 

[Corylea]

OK, so now I've played with them.

Conclusion: either my birth certificate is wrong, or this technique just isn't very good.

There's another possible hypothesis: You're a multiple personality, and a female alter is the one who writes. That would actually explain ... rather a lot.