Gay, bi, straight? Who cares?

[Mbiguy77]

We are all on this forum because we are at least curious about having sex with the same sex. We are in 2013. Being afraid of labels and what people think is 20-30 years ago. People don't need to define themselves as anything. You can like men. You can like women. You can like both.

I suck dick and I eat pussy. I love them both. Period.

 

[klippert]

I'm not one whom assigns themselves a label or expects to be a protected class for there choices in life...

 

[Queen_Vicki]

People care, or at least they should. I am the one who thinks labels are a good thing. It makes us different from the rest,it makes us who we are, it makes us stand out. The only people that have a problem with labels are whiny weak ass pussies that are scared to be judge, and cannot accept what the label they are.

I for one, as a black bisexual woman would never date a bisexual man, or a man that slept with men in the pass. I would honestly whether die alone old,& miserable with 250,000 cats roaming over my dead body eating my entrails,& organs before I open up my legs to the likes of a bisexual man. My pussy is way to precious for them.Hell, I would whether be with a man like Ike Turner before I entertain the thought of being a bisexual man. No bueno. But more power to the women who gets off on that shit.

And I a pretty sure that there are men out there would not date a bisexual woman, and thats fine, and cool I don't give a shit. That only means that my 110% straight open minded loving caring, prince charming is out there,and I will find him

 

[Stella_Omega]

After fifty-plus years of my life, during which I have seen steaming mounds of hetero entitlement, bars that were safe places for LGBT folk being overrun by hets, (who already can go to every other bar in town) and watching this forum turn into a sausagefest of men who hate men but love cock, and men who like to wear pantyhose but vote Republican-- I care.

Or I would if it made any difference.

Vicki if you are looking for a 100% straight man you won't find him here. Go do something constructive. Rewrite your OkayCupid profile or something.

 

[sr71plt]

or a man that slept with men in the pass.

Yeah, I can't think of anything more tacky than sleeping with a man in the Donner Pass or the Khyber Pass.

 

[teknight]

Yeah, I can't think of anything more tacky than sleeping with a man in the Donner Pass or the Khyber Pass.

I dunno:
"Do you take it up the Khyber Pass?" ...has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeah, I can't think of anything more tacky than sleeping with a man in the Donner Pass or the Khyber Pass.

The second one sounds like a scene from a gay "Flashman"

The first... brings a new meaning to "eating your fellow pilgrims"

 

[Queen_Vicki]

After fifty-plus years of my life, during which I have seen steaming mounds of hetero entitlement, bars that were safe places for LGBT folk being overrun by hets, (who already can go to every other bar in town) and watching this forum turn into a sausagefest of men who hate men but love cock, and men who like to wear pantyhose but vote Republican-- I care.

Or I would if it made any difference.

Vicki if you are looking for a 100% straight man you won't find him here. Go do something constructive. Rewrite your OkayCupid profile or something.

I know I wont find him here, you silly goose. I go else where whenever I want a straight man.LOL. I come here because I do sometimes enjoy the forum,and I am a bisexual woman

 

[Rozalin_0123]

As a bi-sexual woman myself, I feel labels hurt the GLBT community more than it helps. It emphasizes that we are different people from everyone else when in reality we're not. Everyone on the planet isn't just straight, gay, or bi-sexual. We are all just varying degrees of "sexual". Everyone loves sex, it's how we continue to exist as a species. It's what we specially love about sex that is different, but that doesn't make us different people. No two straight men's sexual tastes are exactly the same. Some only like missionary in the dark, some like doing pile-drivers while gurgling peanut butter. We all have different tastes, some we are born with, some are accquired.

Take away the labels gay, straight, transgender, bi-sexual, black, white, little, mentally challenged, christian, jewish, whatever, and what do you have left? Just people, and all people deserve the same rights and respect.

 

[stickygirl]

As a bi-sexual woman myself, I feel labels hurt the GLBT community more than it helps. It emphasizes that we are different people from everyone else when in reality we're not. Everyone on the planet isn't just straight, gay, or bi-sexual. We are all just varying degrees of "sexual". Everyone loves sex, it's how we continue to exist as a species. It's what we specially love about sex that is different, but that doesn't make us different people. No two straight men's sexual tastes are exactly the same. Some only like missionary in the dark, some like doing pile-drivers while gurgling peanut butter. We all have different tastes, some we are born with, some are accquired.

Take away the labels gay, straight, transgender, bi-sexual, black, white, little, mentally challenged, christian, jewish, whatever, and what do you have left? Just people, and all people deserve the same rights and respect.

In a purely sexual "in the bedroom" situation you're right of course, but in the real world the labels are needed for ensuring those 'rights' we deserve are applied, but they're not. It's great that people are becoming more open-minded about sexuality: go out and spread the word.
So what do we do about discrimination against sexuality and gender in the workplace, in schools, in the legal system... suddenly we're back to labels because identifying political and social injustice needs pressure groups the same as it always has.
Perhaps the reason that lesbians and gays are not too keen on bisexuals is that complacency: a bisexual can blend into a heterosexual environment and be accepted?
Lesbian bars and gay bars? Why not? They're just places to socialise without fear of being beaten up.

 

[Safe_Bet]

In a purely sexual "in the bedroom" situation you're right of course, but in the real world the labels are needed for ensuring those 'rights' we deserve are applied, but they're not. It's great that people are becoming more open-minded about sexuality: go out and spread the word.
So what do we do about discrimination against sexuality and gender in the workplace, in schools, in the legal system... suddenly we're back to labels because identifying political and social injustice needs pressure groups the same as it always has.
Perhaps the reason that lesbians and gays are not too keen on bisexuals is that complacency: a bisexual can blend into a heterosexual environment and be accepted?
Lesbian bars and gay bars? Why not? They're just places to socialise without fear of being beaten up.

Ya see, that's just it... Labels DO apply in the real world and serve a real, valid purpose.

For example, I don't do dick. I also don't do pussy that has recently done dick or plans to do dick in the future. The mere idea of it squecks me the fuck out. That's why MY label is lesbian.

I don't have a bit of issue with people who want to be hetero or bi. I can even deal with the "I like dick, but not men" fetish crowd. What I DO have an issue with is where people either say "I don't believe in labels" or they appropriate MY label for the night then run back home to their little white bread hetero world (AKA "I'm bisexual, but don't want to tell you because I do dick).

Labels allow for CHOICE. Insisting that labels serve no valid purpose (or lying about what your true label is) removes choice. I'll be fuck all damned if I'll ever agree with anybody removing even MORE of my choices.

 

[stickygirl]

an aside

^^ Glad we agree

 

[Stella_Omega]

We are all on this forum because we are at least curious about having sex with the same sex. We are in 2013. Being afraid of labels and what people think is 20-30 years ago. People don't need to define themselves as anything. You can like men. You can like women. You can like both.

I suck dick and I eat pussy. I love them both. Period.

So, you're bisexual. You're right, it should be no big whoop... But the fact that it IS a big whoop in our culture is meaningful.

Take away the labels gay, straight, transgender, bi-sexual, black, white, little, mentally challenged, christian, jewish, whatever, and what do you have left? Just people, and all people deserve the same rights and respect.

Personally, I really want to know that someone labels themselves Christian. It gives me a headsup as to how they might feel about my civil rights.

 

[leagel]

Personally, I really want to know that someone labels themselves Christian. It gives me a headsup as to how they might feel about my civil rights.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right.

 

[LucyH]

Labels may not say everything about who you are as a person, but I think they're still useful. I can tell you I'm bi, and you now know not to assume I'm only attracted to people of one sex.

That was easy.

Way easier than me rambling on about which subset of humanity I'm attracted to and why, while you try to figure out what my point is, if you even care enough to try to figure it out.

 

[Z924M]

i saaaay...

As a bi-sexual woman myself, I feel labels hurt the GLBT community more than it helps. It emphasizes that we are different people from everyone else when in reality we're not. Everyone on the planet isn't just straight, gay, or bi-sexual. We are all just varying degrees of "sexual". Everyone loves sex, it's how we continue to exist as a species. It's what we specially love about sex that is different, but that doesn't make us different people. No two straight men's sexual tastes are exactly the same. Some only like missionary in the dark, some like doing pile-drivers while gurgling peanut butter. We all have different tastes, some we are born with, some are accquired.

Take away the labels gay, straight, transgender, bi-sexual, black, white, little, mentally challenged, christian, jewish, whatever, and what do you have left? Just people, and all people deserve the same rights and respect.

aaaaaaahmen!!!

thank you!

 

[JaxRhapsody]

T

People care, or at least they should. I am the one who thinks labels are a good thing. It makes us different from the rest,it makes us who we are, it makes us stand out. The only people that have a problem with labels are whiny weak ass pussies that are scared to be judge, and cannot accept what the label they are.

I for one, as a black bisexual woman would never date a bisexual man, or a man that slept with men in the pass. I would honestly whether die alone old,& miserable with 250,000 cats roaming over my dead body eating my entrails,& organs before I open up my legs to the likes of a bisexual man. My pussy is way to precious for them.Hell, I would whether be with a man like Ike Turner before I entertain the thought of being a bisexual man. No bueno. But more power to the women who gets off on that shit.

And I a pretty sure that there are men out there would not date a bisexual woman, and thats fine, and cool I don't give a shit. That only means that my 110% straight open minded loving caring, prince charming is out there,and I will find him

Thats kinda indescribably fucked up.

In related news, it's kinda hard to avoid labels as it's the world. What sucks is definment by said labels. Labels can make or break anything you have going on or attempting to do because people learn these labels and then judge you by them which is often lead by steroetypes and missinformation. Sometimes they make a good summary of who you are and it takes someone to want to learn more- to read the whole broschure. You just dont buy a car because it's labeled a red 4door sedan that seats 5 people. You dont know what it is other than being labeled a red 4 door sedan, it could be an RX-8 or a Crown Victoria. Whats inside other than seats for 5, is it a automatic, does it have a cd player, will it be good to you? Sounds logical, yet most people dont put that much effort in to looking past the labels of people. I know I want to be judged for who I am, my personality, my actions as a whole, not because I'm a black, bisexual, pagan, goth male. Because I'm not some ghetto thug who's downlow and worships satan and doesnt shower.

 

[KinkyPan]

Labels are tools for communication. As a pansexual person who's been close to a fair number of genderqueer folks, I think that labels can also be empowering. The important thing is being able to own your own label, to have others respect the labels you choose for yourself. It's a different story when others are pushing you into a box you don't want to be in. (Watching people come out as trans* has been a beautiful illustration to me of the difference between labelling yourself and living with the labels others assume about you.)

I've more than once sat with someone who doesn't believe in labels and listened as they took five minutes to explain something that could have easily been summed up in five words. And honestly, knowing the vocabulary and being able to apply it can mean the difference from thinking you're the only person in the world with your deal, to actually being able to find people like you and recognise that actually, yes, you're just X flavour of normal.

My grandmother told me that when she was a child she heard rumours of men who liked other men in a sexual way, and discounted them because it seemed so bizarre and unlikely to her. She didn't learn a word for it until decades later. Now, people at least acknowledge the existence of people who aren't het and cis, but imagine being as sheltered as she was and feeling like there's something wrong with you. Being able to say, "Hey, it seems like gender has nothing to do with whom I'm attracted to, and actually I'm not sure there are only two genders" has been empowering to me. But being able to say "I'm pansexual and there are others like me and holy shit, there's a word for it and it's normal" has been better.

 

[Queen_Vicki]

T

Thats kinda indescribably fucked up.

In related news, it's kinda hard to avoid labels as it's the world. What sucks is definment by said labels. Labels can make or break anything you have going on or attempting to do because people learn these labels and then judge you by them which is often lead by steroetypes and missinformation. Sometimes they make a good summary of who you are and it takes someone to want to learn more- to read the whole broschure. You just dont buy a car because it's labeled a red 4door sedan that seats 5 people. You dont know what it is other than being labeled a red 4 door sedan, it could be an RX-8 or a Crown Victoria. Whats inside other than seats for 5, is it a automatic, does it have a cd player, will it be good to you? Sounds logical, yet most people dont put that much effort in to looking past the labels of people. I know I want to be judged for who I am, my personality, my actions as a whole, not because I'm a black, bisexual, pagan, goth male. Because I'm not some ghetto thug who's downlow and worships satan and doesnt shower.

whats fucked up about it? I did not condemn these men or the women they fuck. Good example, btw. And it's hard to believe a black man is a goth,but do you,honey. Actually it's somewhat interesting as well

 

[IWillDoIt]

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[Safe_Bet]

I'm not one whom assigns themselves a label or expects to be a protected class for there choices in life...

Only a person from a group protected by society's prejudices, with built-in social capital could possibly complain about this. But anyway, girl-on-girl porn is hot to most men as fantasy. The reality of lesbian women is very very different, as they can tell you. That's why GLBT sections are needed as separate sections in the first place.
Now look at these clips

http://www.xvideos.com/video4389420...n_devours_huge_black_dong_in_front_of_husband

So then why is some guy trying to do it?????? (not that I'd guess you TRULY have a fucking clue)


As for your REALLY, REALLY ignorant comment about "protected groups with built-in social capital"... that is spoken like a a mostly straight (choices"??? Seriously????), white guy who sees his "str8 white male" entitlements getting chipped away at by all of us disgusting homos, people of color and women. Boo fucking hoo, asshole! (Oh, and it is spelled "their", not "there" you moron!)


P.S. Why in the name of Dog would you think posting a hetero fetish clip in an LGBT forum is appropriate? I mean for real, dude...

 

[Stella_Omega]

No need to be attacking an ally for not being a perfect ally. We need men, ESPECIALLY straight men, to say things-- to other straight men, because hearing it from their peers is more good-er for them.

 

[Safe_Bet]

No need to be attacking an ally for not being a perfect ally. We need men, ESPECIALLY straight men, to say things-- to other straight men, because hearing it from their peers is more good-er for them.

You define somebody who talks shit about "protected classes" who have made "choices" to take advantage of some perceived "built-in social capital" to be an Ally? REALLY???? I sure as hell don't and, frankly, I find his comments to be very offensive (along with his fetish porn).

Oh, and no... "WE" don't need men, especially straight men, for shit.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I dislike labels. They don't fit well on me (I'm a "mostly this but sometimes that, or maybe a little bit of that" kinda person) and they can lead to unnecessary frictions when people disagree about the boundaries of those categories. That said, without labels it's really hard to identify and fix problems. Consider this conversation.

"Our political system is lopsided: 81% of politicians are male and 82% are White. We should aim to have more women, Blacks, Latinos, and other groups representing us."

"Sorry, can't help - I don't see male and female, black and white, I just see people. 100% of our representatives are people, and that's exactly what we ought to have!"

When a teenager is being bullied for being attracted to their own sex, which group are they more likely to seek out? "Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays"? Or "Parents and Friends Who Just See Everybody As People"?

 

[IWillDoIt]

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