Gas Prices Down Because...OBAMA!

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Based on the right's logic if Obama causes gas prices to go up he must be the reason they're going down.


Declining Gas Prices Pump Up A Shaky Economy

by Marilyn Geewax

October 18, 2013 3:25 AM


In recent weeks, economists have been worrying about the negative impact of the now-ended government shutdown and potential debt crisis.

But away from Capitol Hill, the economy has been getting a big boost: gasoline prices have been declining, week after week. In some parts of the country, a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline is now down to less than $3 a gallon — a price most Americans haven't seen in three years.

And any time the pump price starts dropping, consumer spirits start rising.

"When it falls, everyone has a smile on their face, and when it goes up, nobody is happy," said Mike Thornbrugh, spokesman for QuikTrip, a Tulsa, Okla.-based company that operates nearly 700 gas stations nationwide. Dozens of them are located in the Tulsa area, where many stations sell gas for around $2.99 a gallon, thanks to low fuel taxes and nearby refineries.

Chuck Mai, spokesman for the AAA auto club in Oklahoma, says the lowering of geopolitical tensions involving Iran, Syria, Egypt and other places in the Middle East has helped cut prices.

"Tensions seem to have cooled there," Mai said. "And no hurricanes threatening the Gulf (of Mexico), so everything looks good for continued lower prices."

Mai's assessment is shared by most economists, who are predicting prices will be heading even lower over the next several months. Analysts point to a number of triggers that shot down gas prices, allowing the average price of a gallon to slide from $3.74 in March to $3.37 a gallon this week.



Regular gasoline prices, per gallon


Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report

Credit: Matt Stiles/NPR

Among the reasons most often cited are:
Greater supplies. Current stockpiles of gasoline are up more than 12 percent, or about 25 million barrels, compared with last year, according to the federal Energy Information Administration.
Lower demand. When the price of oil peaked at $144 a barrel in 2008, many Americans started rethinking their transportation choices. In subsequent years, many people traded in their full-sized SUVs and trucks for more fuel-efficient vehicles. So demand has been easing in recent years.
Seasonal price drop. People tend to drive more in the summer on vacations and weekend trips — and then they hunker down at home in the winter, reducing demand for gasoline. At the same time, refineries are switching to their winter blends, which are cheaper.
Refinery utilization. Gulf Coast refineries took a bit of a hit from Tropical Storm Karen, but 2013 hasn't been a tough year for hurricanes. So while some refineries have been slowed in recent weeks by routine seasonal maintenance work, they will be in good shape heading into winter.
EPA rule changes. Some analysts are predicting the Environmental Protection Agency is going to adjust the mandate that requires refineries to blend ethanol into gasoline. If that were to happen, gas prices probably would come down further.
Better relations with Iran. If Iran starts to change its policies regarding its nuclear program, President Obama might agree to ease oil sanctions. That could allow Iran to export more oil into the global marketplace, helping lower prices.

Despite all of those positive factors, Patrick DeHaan, a senior petroleum analyst for Gasbuddy.com, warns that consumers should not get too used to low gas prices. He says most of this autumn's bargains reflect simple good luck with the weather.

"We have not seen a hurricane this year, so we have not had to deal with that," DeHaan said. "We're past the peak season (for hurricanes), so we may be able to get out of this year without any major disruptions" in oil drilling or refining.

Prices likely will start to rise again next year when the blossoms open, and the storm season starts to heat up again. "Unfortunately, we can expect prices to go back up in the spring," he said.
 
Despite all of those positive factors, Patrick DeHaan, a senior petroleum analyst for Gasbuddy.com, warns that consumers should not get too used to low gas prices. He says most of this autumn's bargains reflect simple good luck with the weather.

Obama is so good that he can control the weather!

Hooray!



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No, no, no. Things only go wrong because Obama.
When they go right it's because free market capitalism has persevered in spite of Obama's Marxism and Big Gov't Overreach (oh, and the International Communist Conspiracy, or the Kennedy's, whichever).

Remember:
Obama=Hitler=Satan=Bad.
Not Obama=good.

And anyone who thinks otherwise obviously must hate 'Merika.
 
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...and go on super-fun trips....all at the same time..:D:rolleyes:

You went to Disney World...your family didn't really need silly old health insurance anyway!

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No, no, no. Things only go wrong because Obama.
When they go right it's because free market capitalism has persevered in spite of Obama's Marxism and Big Gov't Overreach (oh, and the International Communist Conspiracy, or the Kennedy's, whichever).

Remember:
Obama=Hitler=Satan=Bad.
Not Obama=good.

And anyone who thinks otherwise obviously must hate 'Merika.

I think the whole thing just gets lumped under Agenda 21.

Also I'm pretty sure Obama is to blame when the pillow gets to warm and when you flip it to the cool side that's the free market asserting it's "invisible hand".
 
I think the whole thing just gets lumped under Agenda 21.

Also I'm pretty sure Obama is to blame when the pillow gets to warm and when you flip it to the cool side that's the free market asserting it's "invisible hand".

Now you're gettin' it, boyo!
 
I think the whole thing just gets lumped under Agenda 21.

Also I'm pretty sure Obama is to blame when the pillow gets to warm and when you flip it to the cool side that's the free market asserting it's "invisible hand".

That's the least crazy thing that i've heard all week.
 
His policies havedone nothing to increase supply but he definitely has decreased demand.

Look at the labor participation rate. When you have that many people who don't have to get in the car and go to work 5 days a week you're going to use less gas.

Yea cleaner air through less jobs. What a genius!

Let me fix the title: declining gas prices partially attributable to shaky economy.
 
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His policies havedone nothing to increase supply but he definitely has decreased demand.

Look at the labor participation rate. When you have that many people who don't have to get in the car and go to work 5 days a week you're going to use less gas.

Yea cleaner air through less jobs. What a genius!

Let me fix the title: declining gas prices partially attributable to shaky economy.

Of course his policies have increased supply and supply is up under Obama. Way up.

The labor participation rate is up under Obama as well, it took him the better part of his first four years to get there but he got there so that's bullshit too.

You could get cleaner air through less jobs but nobody is bold enough to take that step. Nor will they in the foreseeable future.

In short you're full of shit.
 
I don't know if its been the same for the rest of you, but, ever since Obama's first inauguration, the sun has looked a lot like him.
 
I don't know if its been the same for the rest of you, but, ever since Obama's first inauguration, the sun has looked a lot like him.

It's just you. I keep seeing his face in pieces of toast, dry cleaning gone wrong, an oil spill in my back yard and even a bit spackle.
 
Of course his policies have increased supply and supply is up under Obama. Way up.


What was the cause the had that effect? Which of his many pro-(realistic, non-pipe-dream) energy sector policies were credited with increasing that supply? Supply of what? Are we talking gasoline inventories that always go up at end of summer, crude oil, what?

Supply is up as far as gasoline because demand is down. Oil supply are up despite not because of this administrations policies...he has nothing to do with fracking on private land...if he did there would be less.

The labor participation rate is up under Obama as well, it took him the better part of his first four years to get there but he got there so that's bullshit too.
The number of human beings over the age of 16 as a percentage of the population that are employed full-time is UP?? Cite, please.

Cause the BLS says you are wrong...(also common sense, with a real unemployment rate over over 14%)

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You could get cleaner air through less jobs but nobody is bold enough to take that step. Nor will they in the foreseeable future.

In short you're full of shit.

What step would YOU advise taking with great boldness? Last I checked outside it was full of pollen but breathable.

So, you are in favor of less jobs? The air is cleaner in the immediate vicinity of the US as long as we do not allow the importation of Chinese air. Good job over-zealous regulators and confiscatory in the name of "fairness" taxes (including the ones that have nothing to do with the environment)...by driving jobs out of the country to completely unregulated parts of the world that sure improved the world outlook.


Saying someone is full of shit isn't a valid counterpoint.
 
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The number of human beings over the age of 16 as a percentage of the population that are employed full-time is UP?? Cite, please.

Supply is up as far as gasoline because demand is down. Oil supply are up despite not because of this administrations policies...he has nothing to do with fracking on private land...if he did there would be less.

saying someone is full of shit isn't a valid counterpoint.

Because you're flat out lying by any measure. Unemployment has fallen under Obama no matter what measure you want to use. Here's a decent one. I could dig up more but this is common knowledge that shouldn't even require citations.

Of course he could deny them permits private land or not. That's how it works. He does have something to do with it and he's increased supply, deal with it and it's not because demand is down.

Everytime you tell a bullshit lie your credibility goes down a little more you do know that right query? And around here the only thing we have is our credibility.
 
The unemployment rate is down under Obama, but the workforce participation is at a record low in modern times. When the unemployment rate goes down because potential workers stopped looking for work, it's hardly a positive.
 
Because you're flat out lying by any measure. Unemployment has fallen under Obama no matter what measure you want to use. Here's a decent one. I could dig up more but this is common knowledge that shouldn't even require citations.

Of course he could deny them permits private land or not. That's how it works. He does have something to do with it and he's increased supply, deal with it and it's not because demand is down.

Everytime you tell a bullshit lie your credibility goes down a little more you do know that right query? And around here the only thing we have is our credibility.

We were discussing LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE...the news article you cite which is not original source material rather a narrative written with ONE small statistic in mind the unemployment rate as defined only from people who RECENTLY lost their jobs...not ones that never got one since Obama was elected.

I don't require certification of credulity by you. What I have to say stands or falls on verifiable facts if you care one way or another. If you choose to believe any news blurb with a positive spin in it that the economy in any real sense has improved, well that isn't all bad. such propaganda IS useful to the economy. That was Reagen's true contribution. he made Americans feel things were going to get better even if they were Democrats.

He didn't try to crash the markets with phony or ill-informed rhetoric. His phony and ill informed rhetoric was designed to improve the business climate.

"Around here" as far as I can tell what most of you (on the right the left the undecided and the phoney centrist) HAVE is a lot of bluster and very little actual information. If one edited any thread irrespective of agreement with a poster or not ACTUAL supportable or refutable information at least 75% of it (and thats generous) would be excised.

The reason we (that would be YOU and I) were having what I (erroneously) thought was a legitimate discussion about the labor participation rate's effect on the demand for gasoline was because WE were debating whether there are MORE or LESS people driving to and from work. "Jobless CLAIMS" numbers going up or down doesn't tell you anything about that if you don't know in the aggregate how MANY people are or are not driving back and forth to work.

If a million people lost their jobs last week and 500,000 lost their jobs this week the jobless claims number is cut in half but the number of unemployed went up.
 
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The unemployment rate is down under Obama, but the workforce participation is at a record low in modern times. When the unemployment rate goes down because potential workers stopped looking for work, it's hardly a positive.

Succinctly put. The problem is The Administration, its compliant press corps and a willfully ignorant populous are all running around saying "the sky isn't falling" so they figure everything is just swell.

Left and Right cherry-pick snippets of economic data and point and say..."SEE I TOLD YOU!"

The only thing you need to know is even a very bad Fed Chairman thinks he MUST pump 80 BILLION fake dollars a month into our economy or the sky will fall.
 
The unemployment rate is down under Obama, but the workforce participation is at a record low in modern times. When the unemployment rate goes down because potential workers stopped looking for work, it's hardly a positive.

Blame Hitler. Seriously.

World War 2 created the baby boom.
The first boomers began retiring in 2011, and they'll be steadily growing for the next decade. This means the participation rate is going to drop.

That doesn't explain ALL of the workforce participation rate growth, but a substantial part of it.
 
Bullshit all you want query it won't change things and the sky is not falling that's just more bullshit.
 
Bullshit all you want query it won't change things and the sky is not falling that's just more bullshit.

So your contribution to this discussion stands at my bullshit is (in)credible, and your remarks, (aside from hurling bullshit) is bullshit free?

And what "things" did you imagine I felt my words would "change"? Puzzling, truly.
 
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