Gas Costs got you Down?

[Zeb_Carter]

PAYING TOO MUCH FOR GAS? DID YOU KNOW ......

Since 1970 America's domestic petroleum production has declined by one-half?

That America's political establishment has been working for over 25 years to prevent increases in our energy supply?

That the U.S. is, according to the Heritage Foundation, "the only nation in the world that has placed a significant amount of its potential domestic energy supplies off-limits"?

That ethanol is not the answer you think it is?

That after Katrina there was a bill in the congress to streamline the process for issuing permits for new oil refineries? This bill would have encouraged the construction of new oil refineries on closed military bases. It was blocked in the Senate by Democrats.

Want More? Read this column in today's Wall Street Journal by Pete Du Pont.

 

[Guest]

*sigh*

You just can't help it, can you zeb?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

*sigh*

You just can't help it, can you zeb?

Just as you can't my darling.

 

[Guest]

Just as you can't my darling.

It's been difficult to avoid noticing the increasingly inflammatory thread titles cropping up but this is the first of your threads I've actually opened since your new Lit name.

I don't think it will happen again.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's been difficult to avoid noticing the increasingly inflammatory thread titles cropping up but this is the first of your threads I've actually opened since your new Lit name.

I don't think it will happen again.

So the truth inflames you...well that's a good thing, I hope. I do hope the inflammatory nature makes you stop and think about things that are happening to our country, especially around a holiday that to some of us is sacared and not just a day to get drunk and shoot off fireworks.

What did all those patirots die for if not for our freedoms to express our opinions in an open and unconstrained forum such as this?

I hope I can make you mad! Maybe you will finally see the deep dark hole we are slowly sliding into as more and more of our freedoms are confiscated by the government.

ETA: What is so inflammatory about my post in the first place? Is it because I mentioned that the Democrats stop a bill in the Senate? How can the truth be inflammatory? If you read the article in the WSJ you will find that Bush One is mentioned as having stopped ...

In 1990 the first President Bush issued a presidential directive forbidding access to about 85% of Outer Continental Shelf oil and natural gas reserves. In 1998 President Clinton extended the moratorium through 2012.

 

[R. Richard]

The people of the United States want gasoline and diesel for their cars, trucks and RVs. However, they do not want a refinery anywhere near their "backyard." Thus, the number of refineries in the US continues to decline and almost all of the current refineries are working at near capacity. It has been the experience of the petroleum companies that it takes about 10 years of expensive regulatory process before their application for permits for a new refinery is turned down. People then wonder why $3 a gallon gasoline.

The US does not permit drilling for oil/gas in many areas where there are known reserves. The conern is "the environment." Of course, there have been oil spills in areas where there is drilling for oil. The volume of all of the oil spills is less than the normal leakage of petroleum from underground deposits. If you drain the oil from underground, it does not leak.

If we do not use our own oil, we buy it from elsewhere. We then face the very great possiblity that we may not be able to buy oil from elsewhere at some point, due to political concerns. The "environmentalists" want us to be hostage to foreign powers. When the crunch comes, there will be emergency drilling in US locations with essentially zero control. This last is environmentally sound?

JMHO.

 

[Liar]

That the U.S. is, according to the Heritage Foundation, "the only nation in the world that has placed a significant amount of its potential domestic energy supplies off-limits"?

Well, then I can inform you that the Heritage Foundation must have pulled that statement out of their ass. Not the part about what the US do. I can't comment on that, but I know that Sweden, Norway and Finland have declared massive energy resources (hydro power, mostly) off-limit for environment protection reasons. Which, in retrospect haven't been all that smart, since we import oil and coal energy from Poland and the balt states instead.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Well, then I can inform you that the Heritage Foundation must have pulled that statement out of their ass. Not the part about what the US do. I can't comment on that, but I know that Sweden, Norway and Finland have declared massive energy resources (hydro power, mostly) off-limit for environment protection reasons. Which, in retrospect haven't been all that smart, since we import oil and coal energy from Poland and the balt states instead.

Perhaps the word in question is "significant." It is a questionable word, and what is significant to one country is quite different than what is significant to another.

On the other point: There hasn't been an increase in inflamatory posts, it simply has infected both sides of the argument. Now, those who aren't of the "Kill Bush!" political camp happen to be speaking as well. And apparently, the "kill Bushers!" will do what they always do. Stop reading our words so as not to be accidentally exposed to something they don't want to hear.

Q_C

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Perhaps the word in question is "significant." It is a questionable word, and what is significant to one country is quite different than what is significant to another.

On the other point: There hasn't been an increase in inflamatory posts, it simply has infected both sides of the argument. Now, those who aren't of the "Kill Bush!" political camp happen to be speaking as well. And apparently, the "kill Bushers!" will do what they always do. Stop reading our words so as not to be accidentally exposed to something they don't want to hear.

Q_C

Hey, I'm not a Bush lover by any means! I think he has pulled his share of boners while in office, as have any number of presidents. And I am not a dyed in the wool Republican. Nor a left-wing nut case, as you can most likely tell by my posts.

I believe in the truth. And when people start complaining about things they just don't understand, I feel I have the right to point out the truth. If they, whoever they are, want to listen(read) then I applaud them. If they want to make a rebuttal statement, then I will read it and assume they would want me to continue the discussion.

[Not directed at QC]
But to simply call my post inflammatory and ignore me...well, I am truly hurt.

 

[Guest]

[Not directed at QC]
But to simply call my post inflammatory and ignore me...well, I am truly hurt.

Oh, please, Zeb.

You wish to do this publicly? All-righty.

After dealing with your history of posting non-facts, half-truths, and inflammatory spew, I told you I would not engage (or even view) any more of your threads. And so did several other Litizens.

RE the whole "Read my sig line - everything I post may or may not be true" nonsense?

So why did you change your Lit name? Did so many people have you on ignore you had no other option?

I am ignoring your comments now, and PMs, because I don't believe there is anything I can do or say that will change your viewpoint - on anything.

I've tried that already.

You start a thread slamming a certain group.

Then when pinned to the wall on facts, you shift blame.

Then when someone is tired of playing, you claim you're hurt?

Enough, already. I'm tired of playing with you. It is pointless. Leave me alone.

QC - do you not remember zeb1049? Here's a link to some of his guaranteed to annoy and inflame Litizens posts. https://forum.literotica.com/search.php?searchid=2863878

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Hey, I'm not a Bush lover by any means! I think he has pulled his share of boners while in office, as have any number of presidents. And I am not a dyed in the wool Republican. Nor a left-wing nut case, as you can most likely tell by my posts.

I believe in the truth. And when people start complaining about things they just don't understand, I feel I have the right to point out the truth. If they, whoever they are, want to listen(read) then I applaud them. If they want to make a rebuttal statement, then I will read it and assume they would want me to continue the discussion.

I didn't mean to imply you were a Bush-lover (not in the context of Bush being capitalized, at any rate) but around here, it tends to be the "Kill Bushers" and the... well, everyone else...

I'm not exactly pro-anyone, as I happen to be aware that everyone who runs for office is a politician, and henceforth, being paid to lie and abuse the system. Not exactly trustworthy as people go. On the other hand, no one politician should be held responsible for everything that goes wrong, simply because the entire government is what causes such things.

Q_C

 

[Liar]

Perhaps the word in question is "significant." It is a questionable word, and what is significant to one country is quite different than what is significant to another.

Perhaps. All I know is that in Sweden's and Finland's case we're talking about resources that could cover more than a third of those nations' total need for energy, including energy for road transportation, i.e. gas. That's about as significant for a society as sex is for a nympho.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I am ignoring your comments now, and PMs, because I don't believe there is anything I can do or say that will change your viewpoint - on anything.

I've tried that already.

Well, I won't argue your points on Zeb, since I obviously stumbled into the middle of something I don't know much about. I merely made a statement about the slant here in the AH, and I'll stand by that, though not the evidence presented by another poster. And this part I quoted above. It simply isn't your job to change anyone's mind. That implies too much control, and control, as anyone in this country should be aware of, is something that should be scarcely rationed, and only when entirely necessary. You should propose your opinion, he should propose his, and you should each consider the thoughts. That's it. Just thought I'd point that out. It seems to be long-forgotten in all the threads involving politics here.

QC - do you not remember zeb1049? Here's a link to some of his guaranteed to annoy and inflame Litizens posts. https://forum.literotica.com/search.php?searchid=2863878

Oh, no. Research. This is why I hate the whole Alt situation. Why can't everyone just... y'know, be themselves...

No, I don't remember him, but I'll skim through what you've linked through.

Q_C

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Perhaps. All I know is that in Sweden's and Finland's case we're talking about resources that could cover more than a third of those nations' total need for energy, including energy for road transportation, i.e. gas. That's about as significant for a society as sex is for a nympho.

Don't want to argue this point, nor do I want to research the stats for the US. Apparently, this is going to be about something else anyway, or already was, before it was even posted.

LKet's just agree that, perhaps, all four nations might be better to place less restriction on such resources, and leave it at that.

*sigh* Off to do research (or a few minutes of it, until boredom hits and I find myself drawn back to Voyeurweb).

Q_C

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Oh, please, Zeb.

You wish to do this publicly? All-righty.

After dealing with your history of posting non-facts, half-truths, and inflammatory spew, I told you I would not engage (or even view) any more of your threads. And so did several other Litizens.

RE the whole "Read my sig line - everything I post may or may not be true" nonsense?

So why did you change your Lit name? Did so many people have you on ignore you had no other option?

I am ignoring your comments now, and PMs, because I don't believe there is anything I can do or say that will change your viewpoint - on anything.

I've tried that already.

You start a thread slamming a certain group.

Then when pinned to the wall on facts, you shift blame.

Then when someone is tired of playing, you claim you're hurt?

Enough, already. I'm tired of playing with you. It is pointless. Leave me alone.

QC - do you not remember zeb1049? Here's a link to some of his guaranteed to annoy and inflame Litizens posts. https://forum.literotica.com/search.php?searchid=2863878

Sure we can make this public, it you want.

If memory serves me I stated some facts, with qualified links to articles. I was slammed by the liberal(s) of the AH. I don't recall any rebuttal facts being posted or research to the contrary being brought up. I just remember be called names and being slandered.

As to why I changed my ID. Well the zeb1094 id broke. I was nolonger able to login under that Id. I didn't feel like burdening Laurel or Manu with the problem as it's only an id so I created a new one. I didn't hid the fact that it was me from anyone. So quit your bitchin'.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I didn't mean to imply you were a Bush-lover (not in the context of Bush being capitalized, at any rate) but around here, it tends to be the "Kill Bushers" and the... well, everyone else...

I'm not exactly pro-anyone, as I happen to be aware that everyone who runs for office is a politician, and henceforth, being paid to lie and abuse the system. Not exactly trustworthy as people go. On the other hand, no one politician should be held responsible for everything that goes wrong, simply because the entire government is what causes such things.

Q_C

I figured that but thought I should clarify the point for others on the AH.

It's just that with most of the Lit. group if you disparage or mention the "D" word, you must be a "Bush Lover". They then call you names and beat you over the head with words with no meaning and claim to have fact to the contaray but never post a link.

Just saying.

 

[Liar]

Don't want to argue this point, nor do I want to research the stats for the US. Apparently, this is going to be about something else anyway, or already was, before it was even posted.

Yeah. Silly me for debating issues and not character.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Well, I won't argue your points on Zeb, since I obviously stumbled into the middle of something I don't know much about. I merely made a statement about the slant here in the AH, and I'll stand by that, though not the evidence presented by another poster. And this part I quoted above. It simply isn't your job to change anyone's mind. That implies too much control, and control, as anyone in this country should be aware of, is something that should be scarcely rationed, and only when entirely necessary. You should propose your opinion, he should propose his, and you should each consider the thoughts. That's it. Just thought I'd point that out. It seems to be long-forgotten in all the threads involving politics here.



Oh, no. Research. This is why I hate the whole Alt situation. Why can't everyone just... y'know, be themselves...

No, I don't remember him, but I'll skim through what you've linked through.

Q_C

QC I think this is the thread SSS was talking about. I have no regrets about posting as it truly struck a chord with the Liberals on the AH.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=437016&page=2&pp=25

And if you read my very first post you can see that what the discussion was on was not what I posted. There was a connection but what I posted had no bearing on where the discussion went.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Yeah. Silly me for debating issues and not character.

I'd be happy to debate issues...That's all I was trying to do here anyway. No doubt that other nations in the world have placed large quanities of potential energy resources off limit for now or for environmental reasons. No argurment with me on that one. And as I don't know the research done by the write of the orignal column I couldn't debate the facts about the Heritage Foundation statment.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Yeah. Silly me for debating issues and not character.

We all make mistakes. Just don't let it happen twice.



Q_C