Gang intimidation... wonderful isn't it.

[kiwiwolf]

This is a bit of a personal rant about an incident that happened to me yesterday.
Driving my kids home from school yesterday I was cut off and nearly hit by an old junker. the guy then pinned me in by parking diagonally in front of me. I couldn't go around him because of traffic. After waiting for a minute or two I gave a blast on the horn. Wrong move. Out of the car jumps one of New Zealands wanna be bad boys... a Black Power gang member. His first rational move was to kick in the side panel of my car, while yelling incomprehensible obsenities at the top of his lungs. My kids are panicking in the car and people are standing watching the whole thing. Now he is at my open window and takes a swing at me hitting me in the shoulder. I used what force I deemed neccessary to protect me and mine, grabbing his smelly filthy beard and using it as a lever to slam his face into my door pillar a couple of times. The short of it is... he ended up in hospital for facial injuries and I ended up in the local cop shop being charged with assault.

All of the fine citizens who saw the incident mysteriously developed amnesia and temporary blindness. The cop who dealt with it initially was young and while he could sympathise with my version of events, told me I couldn't take matters into my own hands. The only thing questioned was who threw the first punch. Filthy Phil said I did because he kicked my car and because I had no witnesses to back me up I was charged.

Over three hours later a couple of folk came forward and as a result the charge has been dropped and shit for brains is now facing assault charges.

Isn't it amazing how much fear is attached to a sewn motif on the back of a smelly filthy jacket.

 

[Thumper]

Fear

Is a scary thing, kiwi.

Look what it is doing to our country.

Glad they got the balls up to witness for ya mate. Ya done good.

 

[kiwiwolf]

Thanks Thumper... I'm a parent, he was terrifying my kids. There wasn't anything else I could do.

BTW... know any good panelbeaters?

 

[TigerClaw]

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[estevie]

Thats terrible! Give your kids big huggs from me, that musta been really scary. You did the right thing! I'm glad the people who came forward did the right thing too!

 

[kiwiwolf]

Re: I can imagine the same occurance happening

In America. But you mean to tell me the proof and his admitting he kicked your care was not enough to show probable cause for self defense??? I am not sure that I wouldnt have the same problem but you are damn right. He is attacking you! You have every right to defend yourself.

By your discription of events he could have destroyed the car around you and being that he did not hit you first you would have no way of stopping him. Unless, of course, you were willing to put yourself in the way of one of his blows to your car.

It just amazes me.

It boggles the mind but unfortunately it's true. Here in New Zealand a lot of emphasis is placed on what is considered reasonable force. Right up until he hit me in the shoulder, all he was guilty of was disturbing the peace, malicious damage, and maybe some traffic violations. That is peanuts to these fuckwits. As it is I still have to attend a meeting on Monday with the local Senior Sargeant regarding the amount of force I used. I have a pretty good record but my military experience was taken into account and I may have to attend an anger management course. All for protecting my kids. Gangs have way too much power. He thought he was bullet proof because of the patch on his back. Now I have to watch for retaliation from his mates.

And estevie... thank you very much for your kind words. Kids are okay now. It's amazing what a healing effect KFC, and a movie can have. Also the cop on the scene spent a lot of time talking to them. By monday it will be just an exciting story to tell at school and kindy.

 

[Moridin187]

You were in the right kiwi. I've dealt with gangs and gang members before. That asshole would've kept beating on your car, and if that didn't get you, he would've started yelling directly at you and your kids, and if that didn't work, you'd have gotten dragged out of the car. Easiest way is to just kick their ass and get it over with. Or start yelling back so they hit you first, just be ready for it.

 

[Moridin187]

Re: Re: I can imagine the same occurance happening

..but my military experience was taken into account...

But now I see you already know that.

 

[Silverlily]

I used what force I deemed neccessary to protect me and mine, grabbing his smelly filthy beard and using it as a lever to slam his face into my door pillar a couple of times.

Two thumbs WAY up! (I'm sure you did not do this for approval, but you have it anyway.)


We have the same problem here. While there was a time when the system unfairly targeted specific groups, the "everyone is a victim" bull sh*t has made it so anyone standing up for themselves now is the criminal, while the instigator and his issues get a slap on the wrist.

I'm glad everything worked out in the end and I do sincerely hope Mr. Wanna Be Bad Ass gets a nice little barred room with a roommate. At least there, they'll make him shower.

 

[Moridin187]

Hey, maybe prison would be a reforming experience for him.. I'm sure making friends like Bubba and Big Steve may help him reconsider his path.. It will most likely be quite a life changing experience.

 

[kiwiwolf]

Thanks man. The question of whether I was right or wrong didn't enter my head. He was scaring my kids, my 3 year old was screaming as was my 6 year old. The others were crying. I did what I had to. Nothing more, nothing less.

The thing that pisses me off is the evaporating witnesses. My kids shouldn't have had to see their dad being fingerprinted at the cop shop. That told them that dad was in the wrong for sticking up for them. It told them that the greasy, stinking peice of shit that I hammered was in the right.

Thanks for the support all you folks. I am really vulnerable when it comes to my kids.

To the idiot on PM... no I'm not a tough guy. I am only ever as tough as I have to be.

 

[kiwiwolf]

Re: Re: Gang intimidation... wonderful isn't it.

Two thumbs WAY up! (I'm sure you did not do this for approval, but you have it anyway.)


We have the same problem here. While there was a time when the system unfairly targeted specific groups, the "everyone is a victim" bull sh*t has made it so anyone standing up for themselves now is the criminal, while the instigator and his issues get a slap on the wrist.

I'm glad everything worked out in the end and I do sincerely hope Mr. Wanna Be Bad Ass gets a nice little barred room with a roommate. At least there, they'll make him shower.

Thanks Kitten Eyes. Just to clear something up... I don't look for or care about approval on the boards. This was a place where I could have a rant without who I upset. This isn't a shot at you but rather an explanation of my position.

Mr. Bad Ass will be going away but it has more to do with outstanding warrants for drug distribution. He will probably have a whale of a time.

 

[Bigdog]

It's pretty pathetic that the criminals get all the rights, but you did what needed to be done. The force you used may have promted the cops to hassle you, but if you had used less the guy might have been able to grab a weapon. One jack handle to your skull and the kids don't have Daddy anymore. I think it is better for the kids to see you arrested rather than buried. Given the choices, you did well for yourself.

I tend to live up to my canine persona: protect the pack at all costs.

 

[Guest]

tuff guy Heeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Debbie]

This is a bit of a personal rant about an incident that happened to me yesterday.
Driving my kids home from school yesterday I was cut off and nearly hit by an old junker. the guy then pinned me in by parking diagonally in front of me. I couldn't go around him because of traffic. After waiting for a minute or two I gave a blast on the horn. Wrong move. Out of the car jumps one of New Zealands wanna be bad boys... a Black Power gang member. His first rational move was to kick in the side panel of my car, while yelling incomprehensible obsenities at the top of his lungs. My kids are panicking in the car and people are standing watching the whole thing. Now he is at my open window and takes a swing at me hitting me in the shoulder. I used what force I deemed neccessary to protect me and mine, grabbing his smelly filthy beard and using it as a lever to slam his face into my door pillar a couple of times. The short of it is... he ended up in hospital for facial injuries and I ended up in the local cop shop being charged with assault.

All of the fine citizens who saw the incident mysteriously developed amnesia and temporary blindness. The cop who dealt with it initially was young and while he could sympathise with my version of events, told me I couldn't take matters into my own hands. The only thing questioned was who threw the first punch. Filthy Phil said I did because he kicked my car and because I had no witnesses to back me up I was charged.

Over three hours later a couple of folk came forward and as a result the charge has been dropped and shit for brains is now facing assault charges.

Isn't it amazing how much fear is attached to a sewn motif on the back of a smelly filthy jacket.

GODDAMN GONNA KICK SOME ASS! Our country is such a beautiful place but our touchy feely approach to the gangs suck big time.
I can attest to the fact that what kiwiwolf is saying is true. I wasn't there but I do live in a lower socio economic society (not a slum but a community that has this 'label') Me personally I have no problem living here. Our house is located on the very outskirts of this area and is fairly secluded and surrounded by great neighbours.
BUT if I have to go to my small local supermarket I am always aware that I may find myself in a situation where I have to protect what is mine. (My kids, car, myself) I am not a very brave person but I found that having a very big mouth and not backing down has intimidated some would be arseholes from picking on my kids or taking what is not theirs. (LOL In fact a couple of 'gang affialiated teenagers' have said to me - while i was in full scream and snarl, hurling at them what cowards they are - "Chill lady we ain't got no bitch with you")
I love my country. BUT I will not stand by and be bullied or intimidated. If I find anyone being picked on or attacked I would help. I have spoken to my kids about ensuring their safety if the situation arises, telling them they are to go to safety. (Find a shop or hide till I call for them.)
I will not ignore a person in need. I will not turn a blind eye to violence. LOL Most gang members/bullies are bigger than me but boy do I get mad and scary.
Kiwiwolf I am so sorry this happened to you and your kids. I wish I had been there to help.
For those who are shaking their heads at what kiwiwolf has said. Beat this... five years for arson here. Life is normally 9 years. The comparison is ridiculous.
Scenario? Guy breaks into your house, at night while you sleep. His intentions? Unknown. Your reaction to the noise and guy you find creeping around? Sneak up on him and smack him on the back of the head. Probable outcome? Intruder claims unreasonable force, you find yourself on trial defending yourself.
I am not a violent person but I will not ask an intruder his intentions first and react later. If what happened to kiwiwolf happened to me I would have reacted the same way. *big hug*

 

[YogiBare]

Kiwi

As another father, I think you did great. The most important message that your kids will take from this is "I'm really safe in the world because Dad can and will protect me from danger." Nothing is more important to a kid's mental health, or to their relationship with a parent.

 

[T.H. Oughts]

I'm glad it all got sorted to the truth.

My Dad gave witness years ago to one of those low lifes who had just dragged a woman from a car and was hitting her after she knocked him off his motobike (he should not of been undertaking her). Amazing how many other people would not admit they had seen it too. The guy ended up going to jail. (3rd time)

 

[Guest]