Fucking with Legal Marriage in the USA

Lost Cause

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How much is too much?! These fucking bastards aren't going to happy until the only thing we can afford, is to go to work to pay their taxes! Let's get these sonsabitches out of office this year! It's hard enough out there without these mini-dictators getting in our way!

DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans pushed legislation through the House on Thursday granting permanent tax relief to married couples, overriding Democratic complaints they were draining Social Security trust funds to gain election-year advantage.


The 271-142 vote sent the bill to the Senate, where Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D. expressed little enthusiasm for scheduling a debate on the issue.

The GOP-crafted legislation was the latest in a string of campaign-season measures designed to keep last year's tax cuts from expiring a decade hence. "We don't want to have a $42 billion annual tax increase that goes into effect Jan. 1, 2011, because people are married," said Rep. Roy Blunt , R-Mo.

But Rep. Steny Hoyer ,D-Md., said the bill was part of a "fiscal irresponsibility rampage" by Republicans, coming on the heels of an effort to make estate tax repeal permanent.

"An election-year ploy," snapped Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas — although 60 Democratic defectors voted for the measure in a testament to its political appeal.

Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill hailed the House, saying it had voted "to prevent a tax hike on hardworking married couples."

He urged the Senate to follow suit, and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison ,R-Texas, said she would press for action.

But Daschle, fresh from engineering Wednesday's defeat of the estate tax repeal, showed scant enthusiasm for another tax-cut battle. "With all the work we've got to do, I think it would be difficult to anticipate another tax debate along the lines of what the House is proposing. ... My sense is that we've been there and done that," he told reporters.

It was the second day in a row that congressional Republicans used debates in the Capitol to criticize Democrats on tax-cutting issues.

The Senate refused Wednesday to make the estate tax repeal permanent, bottling the bill up on a vote of 54-44, six short of the 60 needed for approval.

The measure on the House floor was part of a GOP plan to advance permanent tax relief on the installment plan in the weeks leading up to the fall campaign.

Because of Senate rules, the tax-cut legislation that President Bush pushed through Congress last year was drafted to expire on Dec. 31, 2010. Barring further action by Congress by 2011, some taxes would rise to their prior levels and some forms of relief would fade.

Bush asked Congress earlier this year to make all of last year's tax relief permanent, but Daschle has refused to schedule a vote on a House-passed bill to accomplish that.

In response, House Republicans have begun passing a series of bills to make portions of last year's measure permanent.

Thus far, bills have cleared the House making permanent the estate tax repeal, an adoption tax credit and tax-free treatment for Holocaust restitution. Debate is expected this summer on a measure to make permanent certain breaks for retirement accounts, and possibly other bills, as well.

Aware they are voting on politically appealing legislation, Democrats in the House and Senate have fashioned a series of alternatives designed to show they support tax relief at the same time they showcase support for Social Security and Medicare.

Under the legislation that House Republicans pushed, tax relief targeted to married couples beginning in 2005 would be extended permanently.

Couples who do not itemize their tax returns would receive the same deduction as two single people. Other changes in the tax brackets would benefit all married couples, and additionally, eligibility for a low-income tax credit would be liberalized.

In all, Rep. Jerry Weller , R-Ill., said 36 million couples would benefit if the so-called "marriage penalty" tax relief were made permanent, at a savings of $42 billion annually.

Without passage of the measure, added Rep. J.D. Hayworth , R-Ariz., "We will be in essence putting a tax back on the backs of" working couples in 2011, at an average of $1400 a year.

Democrats took turns lambasting Republicans. Rep. Robert Matsui , D-Calif., said the bill would cost $460 billion for the first decade it was in effect. "We're going to break the bank for senior citizens when it comes to retirement benefits that they expect to get" he said.

"When are you going to be honest with people that you have to pay for stuff?" asked Rep. Jim McDermott , D-Wash., looking across the House chamber to the Republican side of the aisle. "When are you going to be honest?

In all, 210 Republicans joined one independent and 60 democrats in favor of the bill. There were 141 Democrats and one independent opposed.

A Democratic alternative, making permanent repeal conditional on the financial shape of Social Security trust funds, was rejected on a nearly party-line vote.


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Lost Cause said:
How much is too much?! These fucking bastards aren't going to happy until the only thing we can afford, is to go to work to pay their taxes! Let's get these sonsabitches out of office this year! It's hard enough out there without these mini-dictators getting in our way!


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Who exactly are you so mad at?
 
While I am all for reducing taxes and social programs, the Dems have a point when they say this is an election year ploy - as if they don't engage in their own ways of buying votes with social programs. Same tactics, just a different constintuency. :rolleyes:

Still, the government has no business giving tax breaks to any subsection of the populace - short of a sales tax, or a set tax amount (our expenditures divided equally among 300 million people), we should have a flat tax, and that means no exemptions or deductions for married people, people with kids, whatever. Married people or people with dependents have no right to pay any less tax than single people.

Nor does the government have any business redistributing wealth via social programs.

Both Dems and Republicans are just flat out wrong.
 
Shy Tall Guy said:
Married people or people with dependents have no right to pay any less tax than single people.

If a married man makes 40,000 a year and his wife makes 25,000 and they are married they pay 12,499.50 in tax. As single filers they would only pay 10380.50. If you want equal taxes, why complain about the repeal of the marriage penalty?
 
Lost Cause said:
How much is too much?! These fucking bastards aren't going to happy until the only thing we can afford, is to go to work to pay their taxes! Let's get these sonsabitches out of office this year! It's hard enough out there without these mini-dictators getting in our way!

Um... did you read it? It was about a tax cut.

However, if you're siding with the Republicans, this tax cut will make it so that you have to push back your retirement to work longer to pay taxes and pray your savings will hold up.

Fast Fact: Currently the US is in trouble with the UN for undertaxing it's people. The UN sees France as a model nation with a tax rate around 83%

Fast Fact 2: With sales tax and other such things about 63-73 cents of every dollar you earn is paid in taxes.

Edit: D'oh! 83! Not 8!8 would RoX0r!
 
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WriterDom said:
If a married man makes 40,000 a year and his wife makes 25,000 and they are married they pay 12,499.50 in tax. As single filers they would only pay 10380.50. If you want equal taxes, why complain about the repeal of the marriage penalty?
I don't have the tax tables for incomes over 50k, so let's use numbers that don't add up to quite so much:

Husband makes 25k, wife makes 25k. "Married filing jointly" they can take a $13,400 deduction for a taxable income of $36,000. On that $36k they pay $5396 or $2698 each.

If they filed seperately as single people they would each pay $2584 for a total tax of $5268 or $2634 each.

So yeah they pay 2.4% more compared to a single person making $25k. In that context you are correct. So file as a single person ;)

But now take a single person who made $50k, he/she has a taxable income of $42,250, and on that he/she pays $8231. This is probably due to the higher tax rate for the higher income per person.

However you compare tax rates, I still stand by my assertion that the government should not have differing tax rates for different marital statuses, whether they have children or not.
 
For those of slow wit, I'm pissed at POLITICIANS! I'm for neither party as I'm a Libertarian. I'm for reduced, if not eliminated taxes, and am sick to fucking death of these little political see-saw episodes from both sides, with us in the middle.
To not vote your principles is what gave us the government we have now. If you don't give a shit, don't respond to my thread! Fuck the World! :D
 
“However, if you're siding with the Republicans, this tax cut will make it so that you have to push back your retirement to work longer to pay taxes and pray your savings will hold up.

Fast Fact: Currently the US is in trouble with the UN for undertaxing it's people. The UN sees France as a model nation with a tax rate around 8.%”

For the first, the Democratic Party was in charge of the whole kit and caboodle when the SS fund was first turned into a vast pyramid scheme. From the 30’s to the end of the 80’s they were firmly in control and could have done anything at any point in time to make the program solvent and did not. It took the Post Office Scandal to put the Republicans in charge. Ever since, the Democrats have been screaming that only their ideas can work and only they can fix SS. That’s beyond ironic. It’s moronic.

My concern is how Tom Dashle’s Robin-Hood antics are forcing the market to go sideways, even down hurting the working American 401K’s (which we are relying on since we know the truth of the SS lie). You see, responsible people plan for retirement. The grasshoppers of the world seem to think that us ants are going to open the doors to the colony when winter comes…


As for the second, I would challenge you to name one thing the UN likes about America (other than getting to hang out in the Big Apple). Secondly, I would challenge you to come up with any indication that the French are the leaders of the free world…


Bored. What pisses me off is the contingency of people who will vote Democrat just because the president is Republican (and vice-versa) because they do not want to see anything get done. It would seem that they prefer a house divided and are under the illusion that it can stand, even have a guest room and upper story added to it. But this is what you get in the Liberal society. Make no judgments. Take no stands.
 
Lost Cause said:
For those of slow wit, I'm pissed at POLITICIANS! I'm for neither party as I'm a Libertarian. I'm for reduced, if not eliminated taxes, and am sick to fucking death of these little political see-saw episodes from both sides, with us in the middle.
To not vote your principles is what gave us the government we have now. If you don't give a shit, don't respond to my thread! Fuck the World! :D

Most of us aren't mind readers. A rant against those "bastards" doesn't tell us any more than that you're mad about something.

Now, i know what your opinion is and can respond if i so desire. I won't though because i don't particularly enjoy pointless diatribes.
 
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