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Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex
By BRIAN SKOLOFF,AP
Posted: 2007-07-07 03:05:28
Filed Under: Crime News, Nation
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (July 7) - Two teenagers were accused of gang raping a woman and forcing her 12-year-old son to join in the attack, then beating him and pouring cleaning solution into his eyes.

Authorities allege Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were among a group of about 10 masked suspects who forced their way into the woman's apartment in a crime-ridden housing project the night of June 18.

The two were being held without bail Friday on suspicion of armed sexual battery by multiple perpetrators, sexual performance by a child, armed home invasion and aggravated battery. Both were arrested this week, but formal charges had not been filed. Authorities said the two would be charged as adults.

"Any rape case is horrible but this takes it to another level, something you can't think of even in your worst dreams," police spokesman Ted White said.

According to the police report, a man knocked on the woman's door at about 9 p.m. and told her he had a flat tire. The mother and son, whom police have not identified, went outside and were ambushed by a group of gun-wielding suspects.

The victims told police they were forced back into their home and beaten and sexually assaulted. According to authorities, the men raped, sodomized and beat the woman, then forced her son to participate in the assault at gunpoint, making him have sex with his mother in front of them.

The boy was then beaten and had numerous household cleaning liquids poured into his eyes, according to the police report.

The suspects also stole a few hundred dollars worth of cash and jewelry, White said.

White said more arrests were expected, but he would not say whether authorities had identified additional suspects. The teens in custody were not cooperating, but Lawson confessed to taking part in the attack, White said. Walker has denied involvement, White said.

DNA evidence in a condom found in the victims' home linked Lawson to the crime, police said. Investigators also say they found a palm print belonging to Walker at the scene.

The victims did not suffer life-threatening injuries and have been released from the hospital, White said.

"They're going through the county victim services for counseling," he said.

Lawson lived in Dunbar Village, the hardscrabble project where the attack occurred. Walker was apparently visiting a friend there, White said.

Authorities believe the suspects all knew each other from the neighborhood, but they don't think they knew the victims directly.

Prosecutors have 21 days from the time a suspect is arrested to formally file charges. Lawson was arrested Tuesday. Walker was arrested Thursday.

Walker made a first court appearance on Friday, after which his father, also named Nathan Walker, spoke briefly.

"My son has a good heart," the elder Walker said outside court. "I can't believe my son would do something like this. I don't teach my son violence so I don't understand."

Walker's attorney, Robert Gershman, said Friday he intended to enter a not guilty plea on behalf of his client once charges are formally filed. He would not comment further.

A telephone message left at the office of Lawson's public defender was not immediately returned.


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2007-07-06 21:51:28
 
Yep. Now I could read something like that in a fiction story and possibly get hot (with the child not being in it) but for someone to do this shit in real life? How does this happen? Seriously?
 
FurryFury said:
Yep. Now I could read something like that in a fiction story and possibly get hot (with the child not being in it) but for someone to do this shit in real life? How does this happen? Seriously?

I have no idea. Some people cannot handle the line between fantasy and reality.
 
Some part of their basic humanity must be missing. That's all I can figure.
 
Makes me feel sick to be honest.

Incidentally, if I lived in a 'crime-ridden housing project', you needn't think I would open my door at 9pm and attempt to go outside with my child and help someone I didn't know. Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid.
 
xxCrystal4314xx said:
Makes me feel sick to be honest.

Incidentally, if I lived in a 'crime-ridden housing project', you needn't think I would open my door at 9pm and attempt to go outside with my child and help someone I didn't know. Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid.

Did you see that story in which shoppers stepped over a stabbed and dying woman at a convenience store? One even stopped to take a picture but then went back to shopping and no one helped. Who knows if someone had, she might have been saved.

I mean, you don't want to be stupid but you don't want to do something heartless either, yanno?

I'm thinking of a poem / story by Langston Hughes right now in which a woman takes home a boy who tried to snatch her purse and makes all the difference in that child's life. That young man had been written off by most everybody.

I like to think, we can reach out and help with small and large acts of kindness but this sort of horrible news item just boggles my damn mind!
 
FurryFury said:
Did you see that story in which shoppers stepped over a stabbed and dying woman at a convenience store? One even stopped to take a picture but then went back to shopping and no one helped. Who knows if someone had, she might have been saved.

That brings to mind an attack that happened in one of the big towns near me. A woman in her forties was driving home and saw a motorcycle on its side with a rider 10 or so feet away, lying completely still.
Naturally, as any good person would, she stopped to try to help. As she got to him, he grabbed her, dragged her into an alleyway and raped her.

Its really coming to something when you are being advised by the police to drive past then to ring for assistance without actually approaching the person that might be injured.
 
Sir_Winston54 said:
Day by day, our world gets sicker and sicker... <Sigh>

Sadly it seems that way but perhaps it's only being shoved in our faces more?

I like this av better than the last btw. The flow of the ass is much better in this picture. God I love asses.

*sigh*
 
Calyph said:
That brings to mind an attack that happened in one of the big towns near me. A woman in her forties was driving home and saw a motorcycle on its side with a rider 10 or so feet away, lying completely still.
Naturally, as any good person would, she stopped to try to help. As she got to him, he grabbed her, dragged her into an alleyway and raped her.

Its really coming to something when you are being advised by the police to drive past then to ring for assistance without actually approaching the person that might be injured.

That makes sense actually. The first rule of rescue to to make sure YOU are safe.

Of course that's not applicable in the woman lying on the floor of a public place with other people around situation. No one even called for help for that poor lady.

The disconnection of people societally scares the crap out of me that such things could happen.

Rape doesn't scare me so much. That's been around forever.

No, it's the inhumanity. Why force a 14 year old? Why torture his eyes???

Why not at least call for help for a person who needs it?
 
I believe you should do what you can, without putting yourself at risk. Call an ambulance/police when you can, but still always bearing your own safety in mind.

Not very corageous, maybe, but I'd take cowardly over injured.
 
xxCrystal4314xx said:
I believe you should do what you can, without putting yourself at risk. Call an ambulance/police when you can, but still always bearing your own safety in mind.

Not very corageous, maybe, but I'd take cowardly over injured.

I'd say I follow that most of the time.

*nods*
 
FurryFury said:
I'm thinking of a poem / story by Langston Hughes right now in which a woman takes home a boy who tried to snatch her purse and makes all the difference in that child's life. That young man had been written off by most everybody.

I like to think, we can reach out and help with small and large acts of kindness but this sort of horrible news item just boggles my damn mind!
I think of this short story often as well. It's called "Thank You, Ma'am."

What frightens me as much as anything about stories like this one or the one about the dying woman in the convenience store is the creativity shown in the actions of the perpetrators. That tells me that when they are engaged in these activities, these people are living out who they really are - or who they think they are. Yes, it appears that they might be imitating porn (bad porn, at that) but in adapting fiction to their day-to-day lives they are creating themselves. It's a frightening world when violence starts to become an outlet for personal creativity.
 
FurryFury said:
That makes sense actually. The first rule of rescue to to make sure YOU are safe.

Of course that's not applicable in the woman lying on the floor of a public place with other people around situation. No one even called for help for that poor lady.

The disconnection of people societally scares the crap out of me that such things could happen.

Rape doesn't scare me so much. That's been around forever.

No, it's the inhumanity. Why force a 14 year old? Why torture his eyes???

Why not at least call for help for a person who needs it?

There ARE things you can do to help, that don't involve placing yourself in jeopardy. The guy on the side of the road - that's when it's nice to have a cell phone. The kid with the 'flat tire'. Offer to let him use your cordless phone to call someone. I mean - he's a healthy young man, WHY would he ask a single woman to help him? What did she think she could do?

That said, hindsight is 20/20, and all that. I feel sorry for them, not only cause of the rape and assault, but because it sounds like they had managed to keep hope for humanity, and those boys killed that.
 
xxCrystal4314xx said:
I believe you should do what you can, without putting yourself at risk. Call an ambulance/police when you can, but still always bearing your own safety in mind.

Not very corageous, maybe, but I'd take cowardly over injured.

I agree. Frankly my cell phone is a god-send. I put in calls pretty routinely. And if it has anything to do with a man that's what I do. It's not fair to men, but frankly in an altercation with a woman, I'd stand a chance - I outweigh them.

Another thing to remember is to pay attention to where you are. One time their was this string of assaults. Motorists would see a woman, stranded on the side of a road next to her car. She'd be carrying a baby. They'd pull over and then her SO would jump out of the bushes, beat the crap out of the motorist and rob them. :eek: What did this teach me? Pay attention to what's going on, and pay attention to the small details, like the bushes by the stranded motorist car.
 
Yah know...In earlier days {we won't talk about how many}..I have been the guy with the flat tire...
And people were saying that things were "Getting bad".
And I've been the fellow who let the abused wife in to use the phone..And talked her into staying till the police came. In spite of expecting her husband to be the next person knocking.
But really, they were wrong... I remember hearing about my grandfather picking up a couple of hitchhikers {common in his day} whereupon they beat and robbed him. Just about killed him. Now grandfather, being a southern preacher and gentleman of the old school, didn't stop picking up hitchhikers....But from then on he carried a huge switchblade knife {they were legal then} and there was a carpenters hatchet underneath the drivers seat.

I suppose what I am getting at, is that I don't think we can really blame things like this on video games, or porn, or TV.
To be honest though, I don't have a clue as to what we should blame it on. Or if we can really blame it on anything other than ourselves..

I do know enough history to not be overly sanguine about the "better nature of man". Which seems to be mainly anecdotal.

{As an aside...I've always wondered how those apartment complexes relate to the experiments done by Skinner... *sigh* Too many rats in a box if you ask me. Bound to be problems.}
 
Life_Noir said:
Yah know...In earlier days {we won't talk about how many}..I have been the guy with the flat tire...
And people were saying that things were "Getting bad".
And I've been the fellow who let the abused wife in to use the phone..And talked her into staying till the police came. In spite of expecting her husband to be the next person knocking.
But really, they were wrong... I remember hearing about my grandfather picking up a couple of hitchhikers {common in his day} whereupon they beat and robbed him. Just about killed him. Now grandfather, being a southern preacher and gentleman of the old school, didn't stop picking up hitchhikers....But from then on he carried a huge switchblade knife {they were legal then} and there was a carpenters hatchet underneath the drivers seat.

I suppose what I am getting at, is that I don't think we can really blame things like this on video games, or porn, or TV.
To be honest though, I don't have a clue as to what we should blame it on. Or if we can really blame it on anything other than ourselves..

I do know enough history to not be overly sanguine about the "better nature of man". Which seems to be mainly anecdotal.

{As an aside...I've always wondered how those apartment complexes relate to the experiments done by Skinner... *sigh* Too many rats in a box if you ask me. Bound to be problems.}

Oh hell no, I wasn't blaming vid games or porn. If I gave that impression I'm sorry. I'm blaming the people and asking what is missing from them that allows them to act this way when others do NOT.
 
FurryFury said:
Oh hell no, I wasn't blaming vid games or porn. If I gave that impression I'm sorry. I'm blaming the people and asking what is missing from them that allows them to act this way when others do NOT.

'S'ok.... My misunderstanding...

Hmmmmm... Perhaps, but the proof would seem to be extant that others DO.
And alwyas have..
*scratches head*
I think we make a mistake sometimes... Or rather a mistake is thrust upon us. By overly optimistic {blind and ignorant} people..And the media.. Now THAT one I DO blame the media for. The mistake being the idea that a little bit of religion, and a whole lot of "standard of living" improvement, is going to change the basic nature of man in this short of time.

On second thought... I suppose they are missing something.. Hope, opportunity, responsibility, mmmm... most vestiges of responsible parenting, a reachable goal.
*grin*
And as a friend of mine once said..
"This is the age at which you take young men, hand em a spear and a loincloth, and send them out to hunt something that will hunt them back. Sure, you lose a couple, but geneticly you don't need that many to start with. It weeds out the slackers. And as for the rest of 'em, it puts some starch in their willy. Too many of em are a danger, and a drain on a society anyway."
This statement was generally followed by "Just look at history.".
 
Miss :rose: Fury:rose: , I read this much earlier in my morning , then went and took a long hot shower. No words of potential wisdom , no anecdotes . It's not apathy on my part. It's just so far out of my league of perceptions . Abject horror at what should have remained inconceivable .

Our most recent 'hero'.
 
I have no words. I can't begin to understand what motivates people to behave in such a way.
 
I'll volunteer to tie them down and castrate them with a pair of vise grips. I know, violence begets violence and all that, but that's the only thing people like that understand. How sad for the mother and the son. :(
 
BiBunny said:
I'll volunteer to tie them down and castrate them with a pair of vise grips. I know, violence begets violence and all that, but that's the only thing people like that understand. How sad for the mother and the son. :(


Mmmmm Violence only begets violence under certain circumstances..
And under others..A LACK of purposeful, deliberate, violence... Leads to much worse.

I'm gonna vote for castration, removal of the thumbs and great toes, tatooing of the face...And then let em go....

Sometimes yah just gotta have a public reminder...

Which is part of the problem with these little fucks.. THEIR current reminder is the peckerwood down the block, who comitted heinous crimes and got a slap on the damned wrist.
 
I personally don't think vid games/porn etc have anything to do with the violence...
I grew up in Johannesburg, where acts like this are a way of life and stopping to help someone is literally viewed as "asking for it"... even by the police. It's tragic when you can no longer feel safe enough to even help a damsel/gent in distress...
 
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