BoyNextDoor
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The new paradigm. Welcome to the future.
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BotanyBoy
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You and the "anarchism actually supports socialism, communism and other totally rad leftist ideas on how to manage a society." intellectuals need to get together and discuss your..... ground breaking.... ideas.
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Care to explain the theory behind your oxymoron?
Care to explain the theory behind your oxymoron?
STFU Miles!
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So, why again do you hate free speech?
So, why again do you hate free speech?
Our Founding Fathers never intended for the Constitution to protect hate speech or the sale of machine guns over the Internet. Wake up and smell the whatever.
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I am woke...
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People need to get together and discuss the thread starter's inability to grasp simple economic and political concepts and their relationship to and support of "freedom."
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If you follow Contract Law at all, the ongoing blending of Tort and Contract is, I think, the result of an ongoing shift in the social paradigm to require one's business decisions to be increasingly mindful of the other's interests.
That said, your basic premise seems to have more than a little merit.
I'm not as FTW in my outlook as say Ish, who believes in Self Interest First...but I'm not all about Sharing & Caring, either.
I'm more a "Caveat Emptor, baby!" kinda guy.
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So is that what the cool kids are calling it these days?
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You do not, and even remotely, truly comprehend what that means. All you think it is, is freebies for all.
The devil is in the details - and while I know you'll never believe me, I'll tell you: those are hard to see, particularly when on such a large scale and how it makes for daily, weekly, monthly, kind of life you'll have. And once it takes place, it is too late.
It's a jail. Literally. And it will kill off the weakest, slowly. Using you for all sorts of social behavioral studies, medical, entertainment, then, discarding you.
Sounds wacky? Yep.
The truth? Absolutely. And I'm not the only one warning of it. Your american society has had many claiming this future happening slowly but surely. And no, I'm not talking about the end of the world.
Today's leftists are set to do so right after Trump, thinking they're doing the right thing.
The army of morons, that will jail us all.
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Like flies to shit...
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Yes, you finally buzzed in.
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Oh look, Mr.Soviet Russia and Red China aren't at all left or socialist made it.
Can you tell us more about free market communism????
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They are convinced that government control over their lives = freedom. LOL
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Rather than leaving you all in a position to tell me what I think and then tell me why it just ain't so, let me put some meat on the bone and give you some insight.
"Capitalism" and "free market" are not interchangeable concepts. Communism is a political party and communism is an economic term.
Economically speaking, you have communism when the people that are collectively producing value, are the very same people that also determine how the value is appropriated and distributed. You have capitalism when the people collectively producing value are divorced from the people doing the decision making around the appropriation and the distribution of that value. That is it. Nothing fancy - no smoke and mirrors.
So that means a communist enterprise can use free markets as their means of exchanging value, just as a capitalist enterprise uses markets to exchange their value. And they are, in very small but increasing numbers.
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Leftist doesn't mean government control. Anarchism is proof of that. You simply have your definitions all screwed up, and you've been called on it dozens of times.
You just don't understand basic terms.
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Care to explain the theory behind your oxymoron?
You really need to read the link I posted. I mean, I would love to understand how you reached your conclusion. I understand fully the first part, a group of people deciding on what the consumer wants and who deserves their goods and services*, but I do not understand the second part part about the divorcing of those who produce what people want to consume and live, or die, upon the decisions they make.
The last paragraph just baffles me.
Perhaps you could expound?
* We might have a disagreement on whether, or not Communism means central control on this point. You might have a definition of Communism that differs from the classical one that I was raised with.
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No they are not, but you can't have capitalism without a free market.
As soon as the government takes control of the market it's not a capitalist system anymore.
We have a word for when the government takes control over the markets, that word is socialism.
Definition of socialism
1 :any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
You do realize that ONLY happens when there is some form of government there to force it right?
Without a government authority there will be no communism.
Wrong, you have capitalism when the people privately own their property and get to voluntarily exchange it with others on a free or open market.
Definition of capitalism
:an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Yes it does.
Government control is the ONLY way leftism happens.
Why don't you and Daily start a thread about how right wing and capitalist the USSR and red China were.
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BoyNextDoor
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Which of these three words are you having trouble with?
Free Market Communism
Not talking about socialism or taking over markets. Specifically stating: Free Market Communism
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None of them, you're the one having trouble.
Communism is by definition the elimination of markets all together.
Then there will be capitalism, not communism.
You can't have communism and a free market.
Definition of communism
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a :a theory advocating elimination of private property
b :a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
* bold section might as well read b: a system in which markets are eliminated.
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