Franken May Be Fraudulent

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[busybody..]

May

 

[RoryN]

Interesting. But you should've waited for a reputable source to link to. As even my Republican friends know, FOX News isn't one.

 

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[bronzeage]

Criminals who plead their felonies down to misdemeanors are more likely to vote Republican.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds

By Ed Barnes

Published July 12, 2010

FoxNews.com


The six-month election recount that turned former "Saturday Night Live" comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota's Twin Cities.

That's the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.

The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes -- fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority's newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

Furthermore, the report charges that efforts to get state and federal authorities to act on its findings have been "stonewalled."

"We aren't trying to change the result of the last election. That legally can't be done," said Dan McGrath, Minnesota Majority's executive director. "We are just trying to make sure the integrity of the next election isn't compromised."

He said his group was largely ignored when it turned over a list of hundreds of names to prosecutors in two of the state's largest counties, Ramsey and Hennepin, where fraud seemed to be the greatest.

A spokesman for both county attorneys' offices belittled the information, saying it was "just plain wrong" and full of errors, which prompted the group to go back and start an in-depth look at the records.

"What we did this time is irrefutable," McGrath said. "We took the voting lists and matched them with conviction lists and then went back to the records and found the roster lists, where voters sign in before walking to the voting booth, and matched them by hand.

"The only way we can be wrong is if someone with the same first, middle and last names, same year of birth as the felon, and living in the same community, has voted. And that isn't very likely."

The report said that in Hennepin County, which in includes Minneapolis, 899 suspected felons had been matched on the county's voting records, and the review showed 289 voters were conclusively matched to felon records. The report says only three people in the county have been charged with voter fraud so far.

A representative of the Hennepin County attorney's office, who declined to give her name, said "there was no one in the office today to talk about the charges."

But the report got a far different review in Ramsey County, which contains St. Paul. Phil Carruthers of the Ramsey County attorney's office said his agency had taken the charges "very seriously" and found that the Minnesota Majority "had done a good job in their review."

The report says that in Ramsey, 460 names on voting records were matched with felon lists, and a further review found 52 were conclusive matches.

Carruthers attributed differences in the numbers to Minnesota Majority's lack of access to nonpublic information, such as exact birth dates and other court records. For example, he said, "public records might show a felon was given 10 years probation, but internal records the county attorney has might show that the probation period was cut to five and the felon was eligible to vote."

Carruthers said Ramsey County is still investigating all the names and has asked that 15 investigators be hired to complete the process. "So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open," he said. "And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed their numbers."

McGrath says the report shows that more still has to be done.

"Prosecutors have to act more swiftly in prosecuting cases from the 2008 election to deter fraud in the future," he said, "and the state has to make sure that existing system, that flags convicted felons so voting officials can challenge them at the ballot, is effective. In 90 percent of the cases we looked at, the felons weren't flagged."

"If the state had done that," he said, "things might be very different today."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/

*laugh*

So based on public information, which may not be accurate or even complete, charges of fraud are raised by an organization with a very obvious bias?

Can you say sour grapes?

 

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[busybody..]

*laugh*



Can you say sour grapes?

****Points and Laughs****

from the PARTY of SORE LOSERMAN

 

[phrodeau]

It's astounding that in all the time of the recount, Team Coleman never thought of that possibility.

But since Coleman conceded, it doesn't matter whatsoever.

 

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[busybody..]

Limp Lib Lou Zar DUMZ cant win an election WITHOUT cheating

 

[bronzeage]

Actually, instead of voting for a Senator, they are more likely to be one.

 

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[busybody..]

Show me.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

That's about what the article says, it's looking towards the next election and the next attempt by Democrats to steal an election.

Yup, sour grapes served with a side of unsubstantiated meme.

 

[HB1965]

Let's see...Minnesota Majority who sponsored this study that revealed this information seems to have an agenda very similar to the Republican Party despite their proud claims to be above party politics.


Yup...not buying it.

The government should investigate it though. Got to be fair

 

[phrodeau]

That's about what the article says, it's looking towards the next election and the next attempt by Democrats to steal an election.

And the article also says that they are "just plain wrong".

 

[bronzeage]

Show me.

I vaguely remember a Senator from Wyoming who took a plea of disorderly conduct in place of soliciting sex in a public restroom.

I could show you, but you probably get the idea.

 

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[busybody..]

I could show you two Democrats in the House, one a former federal judge impeached by the Senate for bribery and the other convicted of 20 plus felonies and then reelected.

you COULD

HE doesnt care

 

[phrodeau]

Emmer's going to need every one of those felon votes if he wants any hope of winning the Governor's race.

 

[satindesire]

*sighs* Both parties suck. Once we get off our high horses and admit that both parties suck equally as bad, we can move forward with progress and change in this country.

As long as this crap ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ continues, we're going to continue the way of the Romans, slowly burying ourselves under our own greed, bias and excess.

 

[HB1965]

*sighs* Both parties suck. Once we get off our high horses and admit that both parties suck equally as bad, we can move forward with progress and change in this country.

As long as this crap ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ continues, we're going to continue the way of the Romans, slowly burying ourselves under our own greed, bias and excess.

Unfortunitely none of the righties or lefties want to hear that. Both sides think their parties are above dirty dealings.

 

[ubertroll]

not that law, precedent or reason matter, but once a court and the relevant state officials as neccessary certify an election, its over.

That's why the inclusion of thousands of illegal ballots* in FL in 2000 couldn't unseat bush in 2001.

*from people not registered voters, who voted in person, who sent ballots after election day, who people who sent multiple absantee ballots, etc. These "votes" were overwhelmingly rejected in counties that went for Gore, and accepted in counties that went Bush.

 

[bronzeage]

I could show you two Democrats in the House, one a former federal judge impeached by the Senate for bribery and the other convicted of 20 plus felonies and then reelected.

BTW, that Senator wasn't a felon.

My mistake. I thought he was arrested for "Soliciting Sex in a Public Place", but it was actually "lewd conduct". That charge was plea bargained to disorderly conduct.

Of course, that makes all the difference in the world.

My Republican Senator was never charged with soliciting prostitution, but did confess to it anyway. When asked about his previous stand on morals and family values, he was supposed to have said, "Hey, I was fucking a woman. At least I had a chance at a family."

This quote was never confirmed.

I don't see how this is an issue. I remember you telling me that California lets citizens of other countries vote in their elections and seem none the worse for it.

The idea that some ineligibly voters may have affected the outcome of an election has about as much validity as the Florida "hanging chads" problem. The true result of the election was plain for everyone to see, but it was too little, too late.