Former Marine Indefinitely Detained In Psychiatric Ward Over 9/11 Facebook Posts!WTF?

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Former Marine Indefinitely Detained In Psychiatric Ward Over 9/11 Facebook Posts





Marine Locked In Mental Ward for Questioning 9/11

Former marine Brandon Raub was carted off by the Feds and locked in a psychiatric ward for his Facebook posts questioning the government’s version of 9/11.

Raub isn’t the first person who has suffered this fate. Claire Swinney was also held in a psychiatric ward and called “delusional” for claiming government liability for 9/11. Others have been committed for the same reason over the last decade.

Surely the Feds are right … that kind of talk is crazy, right?

Maybe. But many of the 9/11 Commissioners themselves don’t buy what the government says about 9/11, they say that the government has covered up the state sponsorship of the 9/11 hijackers, and Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was entirely foreseeable .

Indeed, while they obviously haven’t said that the government was involved, 9/11 Commissioners have said we need further investigation and that the American people should question 9/11. Does that mean they should they be committed to the same psych ward which Mr. Raub and Ms. Swinney enjoyed? Of course not.

Some people believe that 9/11 was wholly unforeseeable. Others believe that government personnel were criminally negligent in letting 9/11 happen, and then obstructed justice to cover it up. See this, this, this, this, and this. Still others believe that rogue government personnel allowed 9/11 to happen, or even played a role in the attacks themselves.

Whatever one believes about 9/11, isn’t our society built on freedom of speech? And if someone has kooky theories, won’t the scientific method and free debate defeat the baseless theories? Isn’t that what modern society is all about?

Raub’s attorney – the head of the non-partisan civil rights law firm The Rutherford Institute – points out that Raub is being indefinitely detained, and says:

 

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For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here.”

What Do Mental Health Professionals Say About Those Who Question 9/11?

Many sociologists and mental health professionals say that those who believe the official version without any questioning are the ones suffering from psychological defense mechanisms.




Sociologists say that fear of terrorism has made people blindly accept false justifications for war – including the false claim that Saddam had a hand in 9/11 (when even the 9/11 Commission says he didn’t).

And the following mental health professionals say that questioning the government’s cut-and-dried version of 9/11 is the sane thing to do:
Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Lester Grinspoon, MD
. Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
. Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Rutgers University Barry R. Komisaruk
. Distinguished Professor in the Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, Professor of Medicine in the Department of Internal Medicine and Distinguished Professor of Global Health in the College of Public Health, University of South Florida, Michael D. Knox
. Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Laura Schafer
. Professor of Psychology, Rutgers University Alan Gilchrist
. Professor Emeritus, Psychology and Neuroscience, Beckman Institute, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Gabriel
. Former Chief Mental Health Coordinator and Director of Manpower Development and Training, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health, and Lecturer in Psychology, Boston University Herbert Hoffman
. Professor of Psychology, University of Chicago and Northwestern University Jack Sawyer
. Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
. Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
. Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
. Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
. Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
. Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
. Professor Emeritus, Psychology, University of Marburg Gert Sommer
. Professor of Psychology, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Ralph Hood
. Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Jefferson Medical College. Former Major, U.S. Army Medical Corps, Vietnam Veteran 7 years service, Jon Bjornson, MD
. Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser
. Trauma specialist Danielle Duperret, Ph.D.
. Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
. Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
. Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
. PhD in clinical psychology from Texas Tech Michael Green
. PhD in educational psychology Brent Igo
. PhD psychologist Paul Johansson
. PhD psychologist Gail Maudal
. PhD psychologist Robert Hopper
. Ph.D Psychologist Dorothy Lorig
. Psychologist Robert Griffin
.
There are many other mental health professionals who agree.

Why Are Some Psychologists So Dogmatic?

Russian psychiatrists famously aided Stalin in applying fake insanity diagnoses to political dissenters.

Similarly, American apologists for the powers-that-be are eager to label anyone “taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, … and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook” as worthy of a trip to the insane asylum. (Those traits may also get one labeled as a potential terrorist.)

But most mental health professionals who assume that those who question 9/11 are crazy are simply victims of the the “Martha Mitchell Effect”:






The process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient’s perception of real events as delusional and misdiagnoses accordingly.

The authors of a paper on this phenomenon (Bell, V., Halligan, P.W., Ellis, H.D. (2003) Beliefs About Delusions. The Psychologist, 6 (8), 418-422) conclude:






Sometimes, improbable reports are erroneously assumed to be symptoms of mental illness [due to a] failure or inability to verify whether the events have actually taken place, no matter how improbable intuitively they might appear to the busy clinician.

In other words, psychologists who haven’t taken the time to examine for themselves the claims of their patients will tend to label as delusional anything which they “intuitively” feel is improbable.

As such, psychologists and psychiatrists are just as prone to acting out their irrational prejudices as anyone else … unless they take the time to investigate and educate themselves.

Postscript: We do not condone violence. Virtually all those who question the government’s version of 9/11 are peaceful, non-violent folks.

 

[Busybody]

Under Bush


These guys were HEROS and lauded as PROGS and FREE THINKERS


Under Obama they end in jail

 

[Busybody]

 

[phrodeau]

So that's what happened to Garbage Can.

 

[ivantheterrible]

link please

 

[Busybody]

http://www.google.com/#q=former+mar...pw.r_qf.&fp=6993d7a7915b5ee4&biw=1112&bih=560

 

[Busybody]

what a surprise

no one cares


I know

Lets talk about

Important stuff

DOGS!

SWEATERS!

Oh hell, you know the rest

 

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There was no warrant issued for Raub's arrest, he wasn't read Miranda when he was forcefully detained at his home, and now he's been temporarily committed for evaluation at a psychiatric institution for the next 30 days, even though he still is not charged with any crime...

...that's because he has committed no crime whatsoever.

This entire matter involves Raub's exercise of every American's 1st Amendment right - in this specific case, online via Facebook - against a government that obviously believes it determines what speech is permissible and who is allowed to voice it.

So what did he post? A Facebook note titled “The Truth” lists grievances against the American ruling establishment. Raub expresses his belief that the American principles of limited government and personal liberty are expiring and that corporations and international bankers run the state, not the people. Raub has directly called for the arrest of bankers and politicians who consistently defy their oath to the United States Constitution.

According to his supporters, Raub also believes the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were sold to the American people under false pretenses to benefit the powerful at the expense of military families, American treasure, and domestic security. Raub served in Iraq and Afghanistan with the Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011.

Many of Raub's statements are typical among the politically active, but while many fellow rebels support Raub’s statements, others stress that he did not stop with simple dissent. Reciting popular conspiracy theories from the U.S. government’s complicity in the 9/11 attacks to a scheme to consolidate the world’s power into the hands of the few, it is clear Raub was frustrated, angry and disappointed in his country’s trajectory.

Though his defenders claim he is a patriot meaning no harm, the former Marine directly encouraged a popular revolution against tyrannical and un-constitutional government, claiming he would “kickstart” resistance. No direct threats were posted, and posts of this darker nature were a mixture of statements authorities construed as incitements to violence and song lyrics from heavy rock music.

Undoubtedly, these expressions concerned federal authorities, but was detainment for “psychological evaluation” without respect for Raub’s rights to Due Process warranted? Raub has no history of mental illness and a reputation for organizing peaceful political demonstrations.

Educate yourselves on what the government deems it can execute against any American citizen without any due process at all:

The case of Brandon Raub: Can the government detain you over Facebook posts?

http://communities.washingtontimes....an-government-detain-you-over-facebook-posts/

Supporters Fear Facebook Marine Being ‘Disappeared'

http://www.infowars.com/supporters-fear-facebook-marine-being-disappeared/

 

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There was no warrant issued for Raub's arrest, he wasn't read Miranda when he was forcefully detained at his home, and now he's been temporarily committed for evaluation at a psychiatric institution for the next 30 days, even though he still is not charged with any crime...

...that's because he has committed no crime whatsoever.

This entire matter involves Raub's exercise of every American's 1st Amendment right - in this specific case, online via Facebook - against a government that obviously believes it determines what speech is permissible and who is allowed to voice it.



Educate yourselves on what the government deems it can execute against any American citizen without any due process at all:

once again

this sorta stuff was a dime a dozen under Bush and indeed they were all heroz

now?

THE TYRANNY HAS SET IN