Forcing a dominant woman to.......
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Thank You!
Thank you all for sharing.......
Thank you all for sharing.......
babiesmiles said:More food for trolls I know !!!
But I can't help it I found it hilarious... so...
I am a strong woman , and in my job and everyday life I could be quietly drawn as a "dominant " one. I lead my own life pretty good, I don't allow others to take my own decisions and the consequent responsibilities.
I often lead project teams and negotiation teams , at my age I think I am rather aware of who I am and more importantly I have accepted it with all the good and the bad it can involve.
And I've chosen to be a submissive cause that is what I feel I am inside . The inner me. And for a Dominant who is worth to my eyes I could do rather more than what you described above .
But the same strenght which led me to such a personal considered choice would prevent me to approach a person who is able to express such a poor simplistic statement cause in my opinion , a part a matter of rape , which is another talk and I hope is out of this discussion , the alternatives which could drive to such a picture are essentially two :
- the woman in question choosing a person who introduce himself as you just did, as potential actor of the aforementionated events is not really in control both of her mind and inner balance so not really "strong " in the meaning you gave to the word ;
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- this hypothetical dominant woman found you entertaining for some various reasons of hers (e.g. stress realease , gymnastic exercises, fun pastimes et cetera et cetera.. ) and decided to use you to fulfil her inner needs , so you are the object not the subject of the act ;
in both cases the asserted power of your words , for too evident reasons, loses its subversive implications and deflates like a soufflé put in a oven with a badly settled temperature . b
Very well put!
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Bump....
What do I think? If I was a dominant woman, there is nothing more erotic than "forcing" a strong, dominant male (like the OP) to take my (plastic) cock up his butt or down his throat.
Because it is way too easy to force a weak, submissive male to do these things.
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I fancy myself as a strong and very independent woman... I am by no means into any kind of rape scenario or role play however..... I find it super erotic to have my hands pinned down or my head shoved into the mattress or the small of my back pinned down by some big rough man hands. Be careful forcing oral she might bite you lol.... the butt on the other side though can be enjoyable if the mood is right
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I like this^ above a lot. Holding her hands above her head as I fuck her is one of my favorite.
As far as the rape scenario goes, I am not into rape role play but there is a kind of play that is on the edge and very similar yet there is consent.
I find it hard to describe. Maybe the best scene is you are wrestling around. She gets on top, I get on top, and then it starts to get grabby and sexual. Soon I have her pinned with her arms above her head and I enter her. At that point of the struggle I feel how wet she is and I know she was turned on by it the whole time. That is when I give her a hard time verbally and physically, by then she has surrendered. It can be very hot.
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So I am not trolling here, but I am asking an honest question, for the ladies. Specifically those who are normally dominant, even in a BDSM way, in the bedroom
I personally would not be the one who would "force" a normally dominant female to submit to me sexually, because it's not who I am, and it would no doubt violate whatever mutual terms our relationship is based on. (That is, me and my dominant female partner) Unless she ordered me to do so. I am not used to, or conditioned to be the "Aggressor"; I honestly don't know if I could even pull it off convincingly.
So are there women who are typically dominant sexually, who do still fantasize about being taken in such a manner by an alpha male? No matter how dominant they are in public and or in private? And if so, I would assume they would probably NOT want to be taken thusly by a partner who is normally the submissive in a mutual relationship. (Maybe I'm wrong though, which is why I ask.) Or in other words, are most strong dominant women at least partly "Switches" at heart? Sexuality can often times be more complex than simple labels would imply. I'm just wondering.
I personally would not be the one who would "force" a normally dominant female to submit to me sexually, because it's not who I am, and it would no doubt violate whatever mutual terms our relationship is based on. (That is, me and my dominant female partner) Unless she ordered me to do so. I am not used to, or conditioned to be the "Aggressor"; I honestly don't know if I could even pull it off convincingly.
So are there women who are typically dominant sexually, who do still fantasize about being taken in such a manner by an alpha male? No matter how dominant they are in public and or in private? And if so, I would assume they would probably NOT want to be taken thusly by a partner who is normally the submissive in a mutual relationship. (Maybe I'm wrong though, which is why I ask.) Or in other words, are most strong dominant women at least partly "Switches" at heart? Sexuality can often times be more complex than simple labels would imply. I'm just wondering.
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I think you might be onto something when you say that most (I would clarify and say some) dominant women are switches at heart. Like you said, sexuality is complex! I think it may come down to who the partner is and how good the lead-in to the scene is for that woman.
For example, your comment immediately made me think of a scene I watched in an amateur porn between a submissive male and his Domme. In the beginning she's making the sub lick her boots, etc, then she gags him and ties him to a chair in a corner of this basement. Another man comes in and dominates her while the submissive man watches. The Dom is tossing her around like a rag doll, fucking her face, slapping her, using, and humiliating her. She tests his strength by fighting against him and he overcomes her, several times, which visibly turns her on. By the end of the scene she's laying on the floor in a puddle of her own juices with red knees and makeup running down her face. She's looking at the dominant man like she's in love.
If someone skipped the beginning and end, they might not even notice the submissive man in the corner. It would just seem like a really good D/s scene between a male Dom and a very bratty female 'submissive'; but because the male submissive was forced to watch, it was like his Domme was sending a message: "look what this man has made me into, a submissive cum-guzzling slut. You aren't man enough to fuck me like this, you're a fucking wimp." Actually I think she says that at the end, or something along those lines.
Anyway, I think that is an example of a Domme submitting sexually and enjoying it because it was with the right partner and the lead-in to the scene was right for her. She seemed into it because of the fact that it was different from her typical role, and because she was clearly attracted to and convinced by the other man in his role as a Dominant. It was like, 'I'm the one who takes control and humiliates subs, but this man took charge of me and helped me find subspace, which isn't easy to do'. I personally doubt that woman would have been able to find subspace with a man she'd previously seen licking her boots, but I wouldn't know, I'm not a switch in the slightest! Sorry if I'm rambling, the result of too much coffee and free time today. If I stumble across the video again I'll edit to share the link (assuming that doesn't violate any forum rules).
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I really like this discussion because there are many dynamics at play.
1. Some women like or are attracted to strong men. Some would call it instinctive, a strong man to protect the home and the woman. (This goes back many years of course.) His Muscles, build, strength and asserting that strength is all part of it.
2. I feel we all like to be attractive to somebody or lusted after to use a stronger word. There is something very erotic about a man who when filled with lust, just "takes" his woman. Every man is different how we react to such animalistic lust. Some look sheepish and needy, while others have the look of conqueror to take the woman no matter what to satisfy their lust. It is this latter that is desired by some women, even dominant ones. In fact as a man, I enjoy this kind of lust from a woman over my body, using me for her pleasure/satisfaction.
3. It is about loss of control and surrender. The man is so turned on by the woman, plus his own physical need, he losses his typical gentlemanly control and becomes a fucking machine. The woman fights back at first---which is important because that eventually leads to her surrender, making it even more erotic when she does.
There are probably more dynamics at play, but these are a few I thought up. It certainly is complicated, and most of this stuff is in our heads.
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There is no way you would be able to “force” a dominant woman to take your cock up her arse or down her throat.
If she was prepared to accept either of those it would be on her terms, and not yours, so don’t assume for one moment you would be in charge in any way. You probably wouldn’t even be free. She would have you restrained and although she would do it for her enjoyment don’t think for one moment that it would be enjoyable for you. Imagine yourself restrained, her giving you a blow job, and then a finale of a ruined orgasm. Is that what you want? How about your cock inside a hollow dildo as it goes in and out of her arse? Is that what you want? Good luck.
I think I’ve just come up with a plot line for a good story. I’m away to begin writing.
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Well, others might disagree, but I understand this, to a point.
I like a woman who fights me, sometimes. I like the challenge of taking her somewhere she acts like she doesn't want to go. The word forcing comes to mind, but forcing is all a part of the game. She would be submissive, but with a certain spirit. She would enjoy being forced, and playing that part.
Now, if this woman was a Domme, I'd not want to force her, because she wouldn't enjoy the exchange. Frankly, I wonder if I would either. I enjoy keeping my privates connected to my person.
But, the power exchange idea is interesting to me. I just think maybe the question was stated incorrectly.
Or, he could be a troll, too. The day is still young.
I'll second this. My wife is entirely dominant in 95% of our relationship. She only "submits" when she needs something from me. So a DIY chore she can't do, an errand she can't run, or a phone call she can't face.
There's been times when our relationship has been dire, but the sex has been fantastic. I recall midway through our first failed divorce, I ended up buttfucking her bare, on the kitchen floor, pulling her hair and being rough with her.... All of this is normally a no-go.
That occasion, she held out a while then folded.
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I think you have missed the point of such exchanges entirely. Every act between any two partners should be treated as a sacred gateway to the heart/mind/soul of a partner. If she (chooses)to allow you to Dominate her in any way, then she is stronger and more confident in herself than your macho ego can handle. Submission is not a thing to be forced or stolen. It is a sacred gift, to be cherished, nurtured, and guarded. I was not always the submissive. Not even in this current relationship. I chose to relinquish my role as the dominant and give myself to her in a new way, because she was no longer physically able to continue as we were. I care for her needs as they arise and she cares for mine. I submit to her knowing full well that she understands submission. A true Dominant understands what he is being given. He does not force or coerce it from another.
Jumps back off of soap box.
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He did put the word "forcing" in quotes (as I just did), which usually means simulated or he doesn't really mean he was forcing her. Read up on what it means, when someone puts words or phrases in quotes...those that aren't normally in quotes, that is.
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Why don't people understand the relationship between a dominant and a submissive? The submissive is in charge and she allows a dominant to take control. Her limits define this. But, that doesn't mean a dominant can't come into a forum and say he enjoys dominating a submissive. In actuality, he IS dominating her, at her request. He's only doing what she wants, but he is still dominating her, forcing her to do things. They are both playing a part, and each enjoy the part they are playing.
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Wait... So, if I said that want to "Anally" "rape" "small animals" with "lead pipes, " that would mean....
Your analogy doesn't work, because you can't get the consent from an animal. But putting quotes around forced means he had the consent of a woman to simulate the act, although she was still in charge and if she didn't think it was within her limits, she could stop it.
But, there is a lot of consent action in all of this. The dom has to stay within the limits of the sub, and he has to stop if she says stop. That's the consensual part of the non-conscent/consent situation.
Actually forcing someone to do something against their will is rape and abuse. In your analogy, Peta would be on your case in a heart beat, probably along with the police.
But, that's the fine line with non-consent stories and acts. Everybody involved has to be OK with it, and everybody involved has to stick with the intended scenario that was discussed before hand.
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Ok, I can see that point. I know well, the ideas of limits and boundaries. I just wonder if that fine line is as wide as we think it is. I wonder if we need to be careful with the possibility of promoting something that someone takes to an extreme. I know that is a natural hazzard throughout thes various lifestyle choice.
I steer away from the non-consent, the rape fantasies, etc, because they promote ideas that, if placed in the wrong heads lead to danger. Yes, I know, personal choices and the slippery slope argument.
But, I've lived the slippery slope. I've seen people hurt because of faulty notions and unchecked sadism. I don't think quotation marks around words could have stopped me from having to do damage control and emotional repair to keep a girl from breakdown after such an episode. I'm just overly sensitive to it, I guess.
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No, you're not overly sensitive. There is a slippery slope, if you can't trust your partner. People into breath play have this problem, because they are always trying to take their enjoyment just a little farther than last time and eventually, they can end up taking it too far. Enjoyment and the human body don't always see eye to eye.
Same thing with electroplay or really anything else that is edge play. Even cutting can be taken too far as well as suspending your partner from their flesh. That's not my thing, but those who enjoy it are really into the endorphins the pain brings them.
Medical play is another one. As long as everything is sanitary and all rules of that particular play are observed, all is well. But, we're all only human and humans can make mistakes...especially when they think they have everything covered. That's when they can miss something that they think they took care of, because last time, they did.
So yes, there is a slippery slope and even the most careful player can get over confident. It's those players who make sure everything is taken care of...even to the point of using a check list, if necessary.
Then, if all of the essentials are followed, you have to be able to trust your partner to stop when you say stop and basically follow all limits. Some of the lesser experienced players can listen to their own desires and zone everything else out. They are the scary ones we hear about on the news.
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For some of us, that is why it is a turn on...because it is close to the edge, because it is semi dangerous, because you are giving everything away for a moment and trusting someone else. Like standing in front of your partner and falling, you hope she will catch you before you hit the ground. When she does is it exhilarating and fantastic, if she misses it really hurts.
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I'm sorry, but this really made me smile. Not, though, for the obvious reasons.
I've largely shifted my flag to another site, although I still periodically peek through the windows to see the shenaniganzers here that I give a flying ferret's flung finger about for some fucked reason. And on that other site, I am clearly labeled as "Dom. Not lookin'." Mostly, I just hang out and twist a few tails by blogging about... oh, for example, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs as it applies to the dynamic. The psycho-social ramifications of collars. Just random nerdy shit that most people looking for a quick nut couldn't give a damn about.
And, I can, maybe, almost understand the miserable little subbies in sub-frenzy approaching me in various ways. After all, who would expect a little sub slut looking for just any random Dom to give her a quick fix to actually fucking read a profile (which actually fucking work) without instructions? As long as they are respectful and then take my lack of consent and leave me the fuck alone, I don't mind too much. I take it as a compliment that what I said in my blog and forum posts resonated with them in some way that I would be better suited than the little thirteen-year-old boys trapped in men's bodies that just figure submissives are like shooting fish in a barrel for a quick wank.
HOWEVER...
However, just three days ago I had not one but two Dommes approach me several hours apart. I confess that it took me a little bit to catch on just what they were up to since it started with the opening salvo of complimenting me on the piece I'd just published and asking me some salient questions about certain parts that I'd left purposefully vague. (Hey! I'm not going to give away ALL my secrets for free, fuckers!)
Once I did catch on, I called them on it and bluntly told them that it just wasn't going to happen. That there is little to no submit in me. That I do what I choose, when I choose, with whom I choose, so long as their consent is surrendered.
After six hours, the first gave up and went and molested her husband. I know because she admitted it when she came back the following day for round two.
The second gave up after only four hours and went to take it out on her three submissives. I know because she made the mistake of mentioning my name and one of them sent me a message, "Sir. Whatever you are doing to our Mistress, <name>, please keep doing it. She was the best she's ever been."
The thing is, I don't have to take their ass as the OP mentioned. I don't have to do anything at all. I'm already in their heads. I already own their orgasm as I know that the entire time they were trying to satiate their need, they were thinking about the old wolf dancing just out of the fall of their cast net with my tongue lolling in a wicked grin.
Their anger is mine. Their frustration is mine. And their pleasure that they can find, is due me. For as long as they sit across the chessboard from me, they are submissive to me. That more than any nude picture they have sent, or audio file, or text, is what makes me smile as I rock back in my chair. That they have felt the stirrings of submission to me in their little Domme souls.
***shrug***
But, whatever. I'm not here to kink-shame. If you need to let them Domme you into making you feel they are necessary to your orgasm, then rock out with your cock out.
And, damn. It's getting close to kick-off for round four with Dommie-wannabe 01. And I still have a piece to polish and publish on the efficacies of the three types of submissive as explored by Peter Masters juxtaposed with instant versus delayed gratification motivation (with, of course, D-types thrown in as well) before I set about torturing her for another day of fun. I guess it's time to finish this post (and the 1.5 liters of red sangria) off.
(And crack open the 1.5-liter bottle of white.)
I wonder if it will be philosophy or literature today that she uses for an opening gambit. Probably literature as I stumped her by raising her Kierkegaard with Wittgenstein but baited the trap by being slightly too tipsy to manage pentameter to my iambs in the moment. Or, at least, pretended to be.
But, I suppose I shall only be able to understand it backwards, yet be required to read it forwards. If, that is, I choose to read it at all.
Either way, may the moon shine brightly, yet tranquilly, on your path. Whichever you choose.
I'm sorry, but this really made me smile. Not, though, for the obvious reasons.
I've largely shifted my flag to another site, although I still periodically peek through the windows to see the shenaniganzers here that I give a flying ferret's flung finger about for some fucked reason. And on that other site, I am clearly labeled as "Dom. Not lookin'." Mostly, I just hang out and twist a few tails by blogging about... oh, for example, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs as it applies to the dynamic. The psycho-social ramifications of collars. Just random nerdy shit that most people looking for a quick nut couldn't give a damn about.
And, I can, maybe, almost understand the miserable little subbies in sub-frenzy approaching me in various ways. After all, who would expect a little sub slut looking for just any random Dom to give her a quick fix to actually fucking read a profile (which actually fucking work) without instructions? As long as they are respectful and then take my lack of consent and leave me the fuck alone, I don't mind too much. I take it as a compliment that what I said in my blog and forum posts resonated with them in some way that I would be better suited than the little thirteen-year-old boys trapped in men's bodies that just figure submissives are like shooting fish in a barrel for a quick wank.
HOWEVER...
However, just three days ago I had not one but two Dommes approach me several hours apart. I confess that it took me a little bit to catch on just what they were up to since it started with the opening salvo of complimenting me on the piece I'd just published and asking me some salient questions about certain parts that I'd left purposefully vague. (Hey! I'm not going to give away ALL my secrets for free, fuckers!)
Once I did catch on, I called them on it and bluntly told them that it just wasn't going to happen. That there is little to no submit in me. That I do what I choose, when I choose, with whom I choose, so long as their consent is surrendered.
After six hours, the first gave up and went and molested her husband. I know because she admitted it when she came back the following day for round two.
The second gave up after only four hours and went to take it out on her three submissives. I know because she made the mistake of mentioning my name and one of them sent me a message, "Sir. Whatever you are doing to our Mistress, <name>, please keep doing it. She was the best she's ever been."
The thing is, I don't have to take their ass as the OP mentioned. I don't have to do anything at all. I'm already in their heads. I already own their orgasm as I know that the entire time they were trying to satiate their need, they were thinking about the old wolf dancing just out of the fall of their cast net with my tongue lolling in a wicked grin.
Their anger is mine. Their frustration is mine. And their pleasure that they can find, is due me. For as long as they sit across the chessboard from me, they are submissive to me. That more than any nude picture they have sent, or audio file, or text, is what makes me smile as I rock back in my chair. That they have felt the stirrings of submission to me in their little Domme souls.
***shrug***
But, whatever. I'm not here to kink-shame. If you need to let them Domme you into making you feel they are necessary to your orgasm, then rock out with your cock out.
And, damn. It's getting close to kick-off for round four with Dommie-wannabe 01. And I still have a piece to polish and publish on the efficacies of the three types of submissive as explored by Peter Masters juxtaposed with instant versus delayed gratification motivation (with, of course, D-types thrown in as well) before I set about torturing her for another day of fun. I guess it's time to finish this post (and the 1.5 liters of red sangria) off.
(And crack open the 1.5-liter bottle of white.)
I wonder if it will be philosophy or literature today that she uses for an opening gambit. Probably literature as I stumped her by raising her Kierkegaard with Wittgenstein but baited the trap by being slightly too tipsy to manage pentameter to my iambs in the moment. Or, at least, pretended to be.
But, I suppose I shall only be able to understand it backwards, yet be required to read it forwards. If, that is, I choose to read it at all.
Either way, may the moon shine brightly, yet tranquilly, on your path. Whichever you choose.
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I had an idea for a fantasy series of stories for a character I created, "Thorvik Kabot, Succubus-Slayer", kind of an arrogant, misogynistic, Frank Frazetta-esque barbarian, who inevitably winds up getting captured by the succubus that he's hunting and winds up getting subjected to all forms of sexual humiliation and torment under their hands.
So far I've written one and I'll post it eventually.
