For those who write bisexual stories...

[susurrus]

Hey, folks,

It's a flabbergasted Susurrus here. As you may know, I won one of the categories in the 2004 year-end contest. One of the big things that surprised me most is that the story that won contains bisexual male contact.

Once Lit set up their public feedback system, I started to notice how riled up some readers got when there were surprises in certain stories with a bisexual bent to them. Part of the problem there gets to be the fact that Lit has no category for such material, unlike some of the other story sites out there. It doesn't sound like they're planning on remedying that anytime soon, so I have a suggestion to make for those writers out there who include subject matter that might prompt some readers to go utterly freaking ballistic when they stumble across something they find particularly offensive.

That suggestion is to write a short introduction, that warns readers that the story may contain behavior they might take exception to. I know that male bisexuality in stories causes a big uproar, and there may be other things that folks have encountered (disclaimers about bad grammar and such don't fly, there's no excuse for that).

Just an idea.

 

[impressive]

I'm confused. If a story is in Group Sex, I think bisexuality is expected. If it's just a M/M or F/F story ... then it could go in Gay Male or Lesbian Sex, and there'd be no "uproar." Same with M/M/M+ or F/F/F+

In other categories, perhaps, a note might be helpful.

 

[carsonshepherd]

I think Lit should have a bi section... but Imp is right. Bi is implied in group.

 

[Rhys]

The only bisexual story I wrote ended up in Novels and Novellas because it was so long. I've never had any feedback complaining about it being a bisexual story however. I would also agree that a separate catagory would be beneficial...perhaps a subsection of Group.

We can always suggest it to Laurel and Manu. The worst they can say is no.

 

[scrtplsrs]

I am probably sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong but I'll try to help here.

GLBT is where same sex, or transgendered stories should go. In that thread items like you are talking about is expected.

More than two, any gender, is a group thing.

Now as for contest winners...from your explination here, it sounds to me as if all the stories were grouped under one thread, which is a management thing to conserve space, and is usually where a situation like what you described comes from. I have been biten by that same type of situation before elsewhere, and although I've not been all the way through the site here at Literotica, it may be adventagous for authors to suggest to management, that contest winners be placed in a contest winners thread, under each category that they are written for. Management, may have this in place already, and if that is the case, then the people that are complaining about the GLBT stories, have no idea what GLBT means or are just in there to be trolls and cause trouble. Best advice there, is to ignore them, block them from reaching you.

If you have a problem with threats being made, do not delete them, but contact management, site the problems and let them see the types of threats you are getting. If you want, you can post a note to the thread stating that, "making threats to or about a person online is illegal and punishable under FEDERAL law." I know this to be real as I have encountered threats myself and I turned the information over to the, site management, local authorities as well as the FBI. Sure is surprising how quick things calm down when the FBI makes a call on the person who thinks they are invisble online.

Even as a writer of Adult material, you have rights, and just because you write the stories does not mean that you partake of the actual events in private, which is no ones business in the first place. Anyone who threatens, is a danger to you, your family or your community, use the law to protect yourself.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

I wouldn't mind having a category for bi; it would help the readers find the bi stories easier, as it is now they are buried in group and difficult to locate. The two bi stories I've posted have gone under group. I've never had any complaints from readers, likely because I've mentioned the bi action very obviously in the description.

 

[susurrus]

The primary reason I wrote this was because I've encountered public feedback on bisexual activity that occurred in stories of other categories, such as Loving Wives. This is not with my own stories, but I've seen it on other perfectly good stories that some narrow minded git went completely nuts on because the guys had some sexual contact.

I only started this thread to try to help ward off such folks, if possible.

 

[Rhys]

Well, just remember Americans have a three foot cock zone.

 

[Celtic Princess]

Well, just remember Americans have a three foot cock zone.

Not all of them, thank the gods.

 

[scrtplsrs]

Susurrus, I understand the dilemma, I do. What writers need to do is be able to take rude and callous (sp) comments with a grain of salt and move on. Chalk the comments up to experience, grow a tougher skin and move on. You are never going to please everyone at anytime.

Warding off folks that are mean spirited for what ever reason, is not going to happen. In my experiences, I've found that if you ignore them they usually get tired of being ignored and move on. The World is full of bullies. Contrary to what most want you to think, the World is a very, very dangerous place no matter what sexual preference a person prefers or writes about.

My suggestion to those who are being slammed, get some tougher skin, and learn to let the crap bounce off you. Those who condemn, are not those who buy a ms, that will pay the bills of the house. It should then be the attitude of the writer, that those who condemn, are nothing more than mouth pieces with nothing else better to do than be mean.


Susurrus, as I am new to the literotica site, I have yet to read any of the sotries in Loving Wives, but if there is one in partuicular, where the comments just chaps you, steer me to the story, so I can see what comments you are meaning.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm confused. If a story is in Group Sex, I think bisexuality is expected. If it's just a M/M or F/F story ... then it could go in Gay Male or Lesbian Sex, and there'd be no "uproar." Same with M/M/M+ or F/F/F+

In other categories, perhaps, a note might be helpful.

I think it should be expected but many persons will expect FF sex as part of the group thing and, when they see MM instead or in addition, they get uptight. They shouldn't, but they do.

To me, group sex means mixed genders. A story with three men would be gay male and one with all women would be lesbian. If a TS is the central character, it belongs in the TS & CD section.

I'v written quite a few group sex stories and most of them include some FF action. I have never written one where there is MM sex although I have one in process. Perhaps I should post a warning when I submit it although it seems rather hypocritical, unless I also post such a warning when I have FF sex. I have at least three with some men and one women but there is no sex between the men. It's still group sex.

 

[impressive]

I think it should be expected but many persons will expect FF sex as part of the group thing and, when they see MM instead or in addition, they get uptight. They shouldn't, but they do.

To me, group sex means mixed genders. A story with three men would be gay male and one with all women would be lesbian. If a TS is the central character, it belongs in the TS & CD section.

I'v written quite a few group sex stories and most of them include some FF action. I have never written one where there is MM sex although I have one in process. Perhaps I should post a warning when I submit it although it seems rather hypocritical, unless I also post such a warning when I have FF sex. I have at least three with some men and one women but there is no sex between the men. It's still group sex.

Okay, I get it now. The M/M/F vs M/F/F double standard. Gee, then why not just work "M/M/F" into the description?

 

[Belegon]

I don't get upset when I find "unadvertised" M/M contact, but perhaps that is because I am a little more open-minded than some of my gender. Although strictly heterosexual when it comes to real live Flesh-to-flesh, the realm of Lit is more open for me.

I don't get upset when I see two men or two women kiss in a resturant or something either. I wish that was more common. I feel that I am a bit away from the mainstream in this. Too bad too. Shouldn't it just be about who we love, and the hell with the whole gender thing?

I would like to see a bisexual category on Lit. I might even contribute to it, if only because I feel I might owe it to a couple of individuals who continue to boost my ego despite my professed orientation.

 

[carsonshepherd]

Okay, I get it now. The M/M/F vs M/F/F double standard. Gee, then why not just work "M/M/F" into the description?

Which is sort of what I did. Shameless plug alert:What Chocolate Mousse Can Do. description: sexy gay guys give Shannon what her ex couldn't.

 

[carsonshepherd]

I don't get upset when I find "unadvertised" M/M contact, but perhaps that is because I am a little more open-minded than some of my gender. Although strictly heterosexual when it comes to real live Flesh-to-flesh, the realm of Lit is more open for me.

I don't get upset when I see two men or two women kiss in a resturant or something either. I wish that was more common. I feel that I am a bit away from the mainstream in this. Too bad too. Shouldn't it just be about who we love, and the hell with the whole gender thing?

I would like to see a bisexual category on Lit. I might even contribute to it, if only because I feel I might owe it to a couple of individuals who continue to boost my ego despite my professed orientation.

*purrrr*

 

[impressive]

I would like to see a bisexual category on Lit.

I'd probably move a couple of my stories into it. "Topping Love," especially.

 

[NoJo]

My son's recently learn to ride a bisexual. He goes everywhere on it now.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Okay, I get it now. The M/M/F vs M/F/F double standard. Gee, then why not just work "M/M/F" into the description?

I'm not really sure what you mean. I don't know if there is a double standard or not. My main protag is a sraight man and stories involving him involve him and a woman, sometimes more than one woman, sometimes more than one man. Since he is not bi, he is not involved with another man in the group sex. I have another protag, though, who is going to be involved in a threesome with two bi-men who will also get it on together.

So far I have written 11 stories that are classified as group sex. Eight have some FF sex. Three are MMF, MMF and MMMF but the men all concentrate on the woman. I also have about four more involving groups but they are classified in some other cat. None involve either MM or FF sex.

We are very limited in space in the description and sometimes the description we write is changed. If I will include a notification, it will be a prologue to the story.

 

[angela146]

I'm confused. If a story is in Group Sex, I think bisexuality is expected. If it's just a M/M or F/F story ... then it could go in Gay Male or Lesbian Sex, and there'd be no "uproar." Same with M/M/M+ or F/F/F+

OK, so a woman gives a hard spanking to her twin sister and then they have hot sex together...

Is that lesbian, incest, BDSM or what?

 

[angela146]

Sorry, I forgot to throw in group sex...

OK, let's make that a woman gives spankings to her two triplet sisters etc.

 

[scrtplsrs]

angela146, I suggest going with BDSM. When I think of spankings of the type you describe, I think BDSM, as that is usually where chains, whips, tieing up, handcuffs and other devices of bodily assault in sexuality exist.

Another thought....

It might depend on the main storyline of the writing. If the spanking is a release of pressure, stress, or came about because of a pushed situation, depending on the main storyline, it could go into group, GBLT or all the way into horror.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Sorry, I forgot to throw in group sex...

OK, let's make that a woman gives spankings to her two triplet sisters etc.

If you make the sisters not triplets, and one of them is a half-sister whose parent is of a different race, then it also might be interracial. If one uses a strapon on another one's ass, and that one objects, it could be toys or it could be anal or it could be N/C

So, the possibilities so far are:
BDSM
Incest
Lesbian
Group
Interracial
Toys and Masturbation
Anal
Non-consent

 

[susurrus]

Gee, I'm glad I managed to spark such a meaningful dialog among everybody.

And angela, in response to your first question... Yes. Which is part of the difficulty.

One of my earliest stories put me in that dilemma, so I placed it in the most "controversial" (note the quotes) category. However, as stated by scrtplsrs, it depends on the overall bent of the story.

Going back to a few other responses...

Rhys: This "three foot cock zone"... is that hard, or soft?

Joe: Where do you put the training wheels?

Boxlicker: you're making my head hurt.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You know, if, instead of thre sisters, we make it two half sisters, one of them having a parent of a different race, and their movie star grandmother, and one of them is spanked and somebody, because her husband is philandering, uses a strapon on somebody's ass, and it's against her will, and there are people watching through the window, we will have:

Incest
Lesbian
Group
Interracial
Celebrity
Mature
BDSM
Loving Wives
Toys and Masturbation
Anal
Non-consent
Exhibitionist and Voyeur