Focusing on political correctness & religion ultimately cost the GOP their party.

[RoryN]

They enabled themselves to hyper-focus on both during the past 4 years by electing a demogogue who sold himself as enemy to the former, and champion of the latter.

Where did it get them?

Hopefully they'll stay obsessed with these, and give Dems more wins in the future.

 

[CornusKousa]

How were they focused on either of those things exactly??

 

[coati]

Yeah, their motto was "Fuck your safe space".

Too bad the losers did not focus on competency instead.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They enabled themselves to hyper-focus on both during the past 4 years by electing a demogogue who sold himself as enemy to the former, and champion of the latter.

Where did it get them?

Hopefully they'll stay obsessed with these, and give Dems more wins in the future.

For the record, they gained seats in the House, are holding the Senate, kept and gained in key state legislatures, kept governorships and now will continue to control districting and will gerrymander for the next 10 years and we are burdened with a conservative SCOTUS for a generation (because the Dems are pusses and will not do anything about the size of the court).

So don't make the mistake of thinking that they lost anything. In fact we should all be trying to make sure the House does not go Red in 2022 - starting today.

 

[RoryN]

Yeah, their motto was "Fuck your safe space".

Yup - and "All Lives Matter", "China virus", anthem kneeling, pro-religion Supreme Court justices, Confederate statues and flags, Aunt Jemima, etc.

That's where they put their focus, instead of issues like the economy & public health.

It did not serve them well.

So don't make the mistake of thinking that they lost anything.

They won some battles; they lost the war.

Both GOP and non-party-affiliated strategists far smarter than I say the old GOP is dead, and that their future is unclear. *shrug*

 

[KeithD]

I don't really see a demise of the Republican Party. I think they'll just recalibrate, just not refer to/defend anything that doesn't fit the current line, and just continue glumping along, rightfully assuming that there will be a significant number of people who will vote Republican no matter what.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

There's competing understandings of the reasons for that.

Personally I agree with the argument that Dems are too woosy in going after Repubs. The people voted in a 2018 House to hold Trump to account and the House did practically nothing. If Biden's Admin rolls over on Trump's crimes it's not going to be good. They need to be aggressive. There is no compromise with the R Fascist Party. They need to go to war with them

For the record, they gained seats in the House, are holding the Senate, kept and gained in key state legislatures, kept governorships and now will continue to control districting and will gerrymander for the next 10 years and we are burdened with a conservative SCOTUS for a generation (because the Dems are pusses and will not do anything about the size of the court).

So don't make the mistake of thinking that they lost anything. In fact we should all be trying to make sure the House does not go Red in 2022 - starting today.

 

[WillJ8787]

Yup - and "All Lives Matter", "China virus", anthem kneeling, pro-religion Supreme Court justices, Confederate statues and flags, Aunt Jemima, etc.

That's where they put their focus, instead of issues like the economy & public health.

It did not serve them well.



They won some battles; they lost the war.

Both GOP and non-party-affiliated strategists far smarter than I say the old GOP is dead, and that their future is unclear. *shrug*

Don't forgot the...

Rapist and Murderers

And

Those.fine people in Charlotte and elsewhere.

 

[CornusKousa]

There's competing understandings of the reasons for that.

Personally I agree with the argument that Dems are too woosy in going after Repubs. The people voted in a 2018 House to hold Trump to account and the House did practically nothing.

They did everything they could, they just didn't have the juice for the clearly partisan impeachment.

If Biden's Admin rolls over on Trump's crimes it's not going to be good. They need to be aggressive. There is no compromise with the R Fascist Party. They need to go to war with them

LOL what crimes??? Triggering the shit out of progressives isn't a crime.

 

[CornusKousa]

They won some battles; they lost the war.

LMFAO!!!

Rory thinks "the war" is over.

 

[RoryN]

This thread title & subject seems to have triggered someone.

 

[KeithD]

Charlottesville

 

[AlexBailey]

They did everything they could, they just didn't have the juice for the clearly partisan impeachment.



LOL what crimes??? Triggering the shit out of progressives isn't a crime.

The trouble with the impeachment was that the prosecution was brought to hear in a political arena. When Trump is no longer president, prosecution against him doesn't get to be held up by the Senate leader or by political psychopaths, it goes to judges.

The House brought the case for impeachment, the Senate refused to hear testimony and evidence. Good luck with that before a judge.

Too bad a 'real liberal' like you doesn't care about integrity. You still have more to lose.

 

[icanhelp1]

The trouble with the impeachment was that the prosecution was brought to hear in a political arena. When Trump is no longer president, prosecution against him doesn't get to be held up by the Senate leader or by political psychopaths, it goes to judges.

The House brought the case for impeachment, the Senate refused to hear testimony and evidence. Good luck with that before a judge.

Too bad a 'real liberal' like you doesn't care about integrity. You still have more to lose.

It's not the job of the senate to hear testimony and evidence, that responsibility belongs to the house.

The two articles brought before the senate did not include any statutory violations of a crime. The impeachment process revolved around TDS and ORANGE MAN BAD and Nancy don't like Trump!

 

[RobDownSouth]

How were they focused on either of those things exactly??

^^^ Zero-to-sealion in six minutes...well done, Rory!

#BadFaithQuestions
#Sealioning

 

[AlexBailey]

It's not the job of the senate to hear testimony and evidence, that responsibility belongs to the house.

...then the house made a recommendation to the Senate, like what a grand jury would do for a normal court case. Unlike a normal court case, a president could not be charged the same as a regular citizen.

Once the House made the impeachment, the Senate was supposed to hear evidence and have a trial, but the GOP led Senate was more interested in obstructing through process than it was in fact finding for the case of Trump illegally requesting help from the President of Ukraine to find dirt on Hunter Biden.

Integrity was not important to the Senate, keeping their guy in office was.

 

[icanhelp1]

...then the house made a recommendation to the Senate, like what a grand jury would do for a normal court case. Unlike a normal court case, a president could not be charged the same as a regular citizen.

Impeachment is not based on recommendations, it is based on articles carefully crafted by both parties in the house to support a conviction of high crimes and misdemeanors usually based on some sort of criminal behavior. Not to say you can't impeach without a statutory violation, they obviously did and the dems looked like partisan hacks doing it.

Once the House made the impeachment, the Senate was supposed to hear evidence and have a trial, but the GOP led Senate was more interested in obstructing through process than it was in fact finding for the case of Trump illegally requesting help from the President of Ukraine to find dirt on Hunter Biden.

The senate is responsible to hear the case and vote on its merits. The senate is not obligated to hear evidence outside the case presented by the house.The house is responsible to bring forward a complete case with articles of impeachment.

Integrity was not important to the Senate, keeping their guy in office was.

Democrats shouldn't preach integrity.

The house is responsible to build an irrefutable case for impeachment using evidence it has found through interviews and closed depositions. The burden of proof for treason, Bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors rest with the house.

The house in this case broke every rule in the book, articles of impeachment did not contain any statutory violations to indicate a crime was committed. The vote was strictly along party lines ( impeachment by party tyranny ) It is true that the house under constitutional law has the sole authority to impeach and can operate under its own rules but they just didn't do their due diligence.

Impeachment of Trump wasn't the mission of the democrats, the reason was to create enough misinformation in the media to disrupt Trump's administration. Conviction and removal was just icing on the cake

The house went through with impeachment knowing full well not one republican in the house or senate would vote for it and knowing full well the senate was a republican majority ( Romney did provide 1/2 vote ). Which would indicate the proof for high crimes didn't exist.

The senate majority responded in kind.

The senate like the house has select sole authority granted by the constitution to try impeachments and runs the proceeding under their rules.

 

[CornusKousa]

^^^ Zero-to-sealion in six minutes...well done, Rory!

#BadFaithQuestions
#Sealioning

Robs response to any questions he can't answer or just gets triggered by the obvious answers to them......

Rob can't or wont answer the questions, we know why.

 

[CornusKousa]

The trouble with the impeachment was that the prosecution was brought to hear in a political arena.

That's why it's called an impeachment and not a prosecution.

When Trump is no longer president, prosecution against him doesn't get to be held up by the Senate leader or by political psychopaths, it goes to judges.

The House brought the case for impeachment, the Senate refused to hear testimony and evidence. Good luck with that before a judge. [/QUOTE]

Prosecution for WHAT?

Again, triggering the shit out of leftist isn't a crime.

Too bad a 'real liberal' like you doesn't care about integrity. You still have more to lose.

Who said I don't care about integrity?

Leftist total lack of it is one of the things I find most disgusting about them.

Have more what to lose??

 

[AlexBailey]

That's why it's called an impeachment and not a prosecution.


Prosecution for WHAT?

Again, triggering the shit out of leftist isn't a crime.

Again, once he isn't President, Trump will no longer have any protection against prosecution. The GOP enablers will not be able to protect him from his legacy of illegality. No amount of denial will protect him as the proof is born through evidence and testimony that he can no longer control.


Do you believe Trump? Do you believe he has been honest as president and in business and that he has kept the two issues seperate? We'll see, and future prosecutions won't have to go through the House of the Senate.

 

[icanhelp1]

The trouble with the impeachment was that the prosecution was brought to hear in a political arena. When Trump is no longer president, prosecution against him doesn't get to be held up by the Senate leader or by political psychopaths, it goes to judges.

The House brought the case for impeachment, the Senate refused to hear testimony and evidence. Good luck with that before a judge.

Too bad a 'real liberal' like you doesn't care about integrity. You still have more to lose.

Impeachment is outside the DOJ and is strictly a political event

 

[CornusKousa]

Again, once he isn't President, Trump will no longer have any protection against prosecution. The GOP enablers will not be able to protect him from his legacy of illegality. No amount of denial will protect him as the proof is born through evidence and testimony that he can no longer control.

Again, prosecution for WHAT?

Giving hundreds of millions of leftist PERMANENT mental disorders isn't a crime.

 

[AlexBailey]

Impeachment is outside the DOJ and is strictly a political event

,

Yes. You are making part of my point for me. Now imagine Trump's legal standing after Jan 20th.

 

[CornusKousa]

,

Yes. You are making part of my point for me. Now imagine Trump's legal standing after Jan 20th.

Planning his 2024 return, with VP Ted Nugent, maybe Kid Rock.

*progressives*
https://media2.giphy.com/media/djTw5269awMtW/giphy.gif

 

[AlexBailey]

Again, prosecution for WHAT?

Giving hundreds of millions of leftist PERMANENT mental disorders isn't a crime.

Keep watching.

That's the thing. Prosecution of Trump will no longer be a political issue. It will be in the regular courts.

For what? Lol. Watch the cases roll out after January 2Oth.

The big questions will be whether he can pardon himself and how far the Biden DOJ is willing to go.

Do you really think he was ever a good businessman? Do believe he was honest about asking for Russia's help in 2016? He never even testified under oath.


Are you saying there will be no charges of any merit brought against the bad orange man?