Florida fraud again???

[Edward Teach]

While busy tonight, I overheard a part of a report by Keith Olberman on MSNBC that widespread voting irregularities have once again been discovered in Florida. That the Justice Dept and FBI are being asked to investigate.

Some precincts with Democratic registration as high as 78% voted 7 to 1 for Bush. There was a referendum on the ballot that received fewer votes than Bush in Democratic precincts. There was more.

That groups are scurrying to try to get the records sealed and preserved.

I can not find anything on the Internet about it.

Does anyone know anything about this?



Ed

 

[cantdog]

There are blogs. I searched "voting irregularities Florida" and got some details.

The most comprehensive stuff was on the various interlinked "indymedia.org" sites.

cantdog

 

[Edward Teach]

There are blogs. I searched "voting irregularities Florida" and got some details.

The most comprehensive stuff was on the various interlinked "indymedia.org" sites.

cantdog

Thanks, cant. I'll check it out.

 

[Edward Teach]

Olberman finally got posted..

Here is Keith Olberman's blog about the MSNBC story. I could find nothing else about it on the web. Maybe more will surface later.

• November 9, 2004

Electronic Voting Angst (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK - Bev Harris, the Blackbox lady, was apparently quoted in a number of venues during the day Monday as having written "I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2… My source said they’ve also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time."
I didn’t get the memo.
We were able to put together a reasonably solid 15 minutes or so on the voting irregularities in Florida and Ohio on Monday’s Countdown. There was some You-Are-There insight from the Cincinnati Enquirer reporter who had personally encountered the ‘lockdown’ during the vote count in Warren County, Ohio, a week ago, and a good deal of fairly contained comment from Representative John Conyers of Michigan, who now leads a small but growing group of Democratic congressmen who’ve written the General Accountability Office demanding an investigation of what we should gently call the Electronic Voting Angst. Conyers insisted he wasn’t trying to re-cast the election, but seemed mystified that in the 21st Century we could have advanced to a technological state in which voting - fine, flawed, or felonious - should leave no paper trail.
But the show should not have been confused with Edward R. Murrow flattening Joe McCarthy. I mean that both in terms of editorial content and controversy. I swear, and I have never been known to cover-up for any management anywhere, that I got nothing but support from MSNBC both for the web-work and the television time. We were asked if perhaps we shouldn’t begin the program with the Fallujah offensive and do the voting story later, but nobody flinched when we argued that the Countdown format pretty much allows us to start wherever we please.
It may be different elsewhere, but there was no struggle to get this story on the air, and evidently I should be washing the feet of my bosses this morning in thanks. Because your reaction was a little different than mine. By actual rough count, between the 8 PM ET start of the program and 10:30 PM ET last night, we received 1570 emails (none of them duplicates or forms, as near as I can tell). 1508 were positive, 62 negative.
Well the volume is startling to begin with. I know some of the overtly liberal sites encouraged readers to write - but that’s still a hunk of mail, and a decisive margin (hell, 150 to 62 is considered a decisive margin). Writing this, I know I’m inviting negative comment, but so be it. I read a large number of the missives, skimmed all others, appreciate all -- and all since -- deeply.
Even the negative ones, because in between the repeated "you lost" nonsense and one baffling reference to my toupee (seriously, if I wore a rug, wouldn’t I get one that was all the same color?), there was a solid point raised about some of the incongruous voting noted on the website of Florida’s Secretary of State.
There, 52 counties tallied their votes using paper ballots that were then optically scanned by machines produced by Diebold, Sequoia, or Election Systems and Software. 29 of those Florida counties had large Democratic majorities among registered voters (as high a ratio as Liberty County - Bristol, Florida and environs - where it’s 88 percent Democrats, 8 percent Republicans) but produced landslides for President Bush. On Countdown, we cited the five biggest surprises (Liberty ended Bush: 1,927; Kerry: 1,070), but did not mention the other 24.
Those protesting emailers pointed out that four of the five counties we mentioned also went for Bush in 2000, and were in Florida’s panhandle or near the Georgia border. Many of them have long "Dixiecrat" histories and the swing to Bush, while remarkably large, isn’t of itself suggestive of voting fraud.
That the other 24 counties were scattered across the state, and that they had nothing in common except the optical scanning method, I didn’t mention. My bad. I used the most eye-popping numbers, and should have used a better regional mix instead.
Interestingly, none of the complaining emailers took issue with the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. In 29 precincts there, the County’s website shows, we had the most unexpected results in years: more votes than voters.
I’ll repeat that: more votes than voters. 93,000 more votes than voters.
Oops.
Talk about successful get-out-the-vote campaigns! What a triumph for democracy in Fairview Park, twelve miles west of downtown Cleveland. Only 13,342 registered voters there, but they cast 18,472 votes.
Vote early! Vote often!
And in the continuing saga of the secret vote count in Warren County, Ohio (outside Cincinnati), no protestor offered an explanation or even a reference, excepting one sympathetic writer who noted that there was a "beautiful Mosque" in or near Warren County, and that a warning from Homeland Security might have been predicated on that fact.
To her credit, Pat South, President of the Warren County Commissioners who chose to keep the media from watching the actual vote count, was willing to come on the program - but only by phone. Instead, we asked her to compose a statement about the bizarre events at her County Administration building a week ago, which I can quote at greater length here than I did on the air.
"About three weeks prior to elections," Ms. South stated, "our emergency services department had been receiving quite a few pieces of correspondence from the office of Homeland Security on the upcoming elections. These memos were sent out statewide, not just to Warren County and they included a lot of planning tools and resources to use for election day security.
"In a face to face meeting between the FBI and our director of Emergency Services, we were informed that on a scale from 1 to 10, the tri-state area of Southwest Ohio was ranked at a high 8 to a low 9 in terms of security risk. Warren County in particular, was rated at 10 (with 10 being the highest risk). Pursuant to the Ohio revised code, we followed the law to the letter that basically says that no one is allowed within a hundred feet of a polling place except for voters and that after the polls close the only people allowed in the board of elections area where votes are being counted are the board of election members, judges, clerks, poll challengers, police, and that no one other than those people can be there while tabulation is taking place."
Ms. South said she admitted the media to the building’s lobby, and that they were provided with updates on the ballot-counting every half hour. Of course, the ballot-counting was being conducted on the third floor, and the idea that it would have probably looked better if Warren had done what Ohio’s other 87 counties did - at least let reporters look through windows as the tabulations proceeded - apparently didn’t occur to anybody.
Back to those emails, especially the 1508 positive ones. Apart from the supportive words (my favorites: "Although I did not vote for Kerry, as a former government teacher, I am encouraged by your ‘covering’ the voting issue which is the basis of our government. Thank you."), the main topics were questions about why ours was apparently the first television or mainstream print coverage of any of the issues in Florida or Ohio. I have a couple of theories.
Firstly, John Kerry conceded. As I pointed out here Sunday, no candidate’s statement is legally binding - what matters is the state election commissions’ reports, and the Electoral College vote next month. But in terms of reportorial momentum, the concession took the wind out of a lot of journalists’ aggressiveness towards the entire issue. Many were prepared for Election Night premature jocularity, and a post-vote stampede to the courts - especially after John Edwards’ late night proclamation from Boston. When Kerry brought that to a halt, a lot of the media saw something of which they had not dared dream: a long weekend off.
Don’t discount this. This has been our longest presidential campaign ever, to say nothing of the one in which the truth was most artfully hidden or manufactured. To consider this mess over was enough to get 54 percent of the respondents to an Associated Press poll released yesterday to say that the "conclusiveness" of last week’s vote had given them renewed confidence in our electoral system (of course, 39 percent said it had given them less confidence). Up for the battle for truth or not, a lot of fulltime political reporters were ready for a rest. Not me - I get to do "Oddball" and "Newsmakers" every night and they always serve to refresh my spirit, and my conviction that man is the silliest of the creator’s creations.
There’s a third element to the reluctance to address all this, I think. It comes from the mainstream’s love-hate relationship with this very thing you’re reading now: The Blog. This medium is so new that print, radio, and television don’t know what to do with it, especially given that a system of internet checks and balances has yet to develop. A good reporter may encounter a tip, or two, or five, in a day’s time. He has to check them all out before publishing or reporting.
What happens when you get 1,000 tips, all at once?
I’m sounding like an apologist for the silence of television and I don’t mean to. Just remember that when radio news arose in the ‘30s, the response of newspapers and the wire services was to boycott it, then try to limit it to specific hours. There’s a measure of competitiveness, a measure of confusion, and the undeniable fact that in searching for clear, non-partisan truth in this most partisan of times, the I’m-Surprised-This-Name-Never-Caught-On "Information Super Highway" becomes a road with direction signs listing 1,000 destinations each.
Having said all that - for crying out loud, all the data we used tonight on Countdown was on official government websites in Cleveland and Florida. We confirmed all of it - moved it right out of the Reynolds Wrap Hat zone - in about ten minutes.
Which offers one way bloggers can help guide the mainstream at times like this: source your stuff like crazy, and the stuffier the source the better.
Enough from the soapbox. We have heard the message on the Voting Angst and will continue to cover it with all prudent speed.
Thanks for your support.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

There are blogs. I searched "voting irregularities Florida" and got some details.

The most comprehensive stuff was on the various interlinked "indymedia.org" sites.

cantdog

Wasn't indymedia.org the group who had their servers seized in the Us and or Britan att he request of Swiss authorites? I seem to remember it had something to do with pictures of a ralley where they showed the faces of undercover police agents?

 

[Edward Teach]

Wasn't indymedia.org the group who had their servers seized in the Us and or Britan att he request of Swiss authorites? I seem to remember it had something to do with pictures of a ralley where they showed the faces of undercover police agents?

Indymedia only had reports of pre-election concerns, rallies, etc. and I could find nothing else on the net, not even MSNBC until Keith Olbermann's blog appeared early this morning.

As I understand it, John Conyers and about a half dozen other congresspersons are calling for the investigation. It is strange to me that it is drawing so little coverage.

That counties in Ohio were given risk ratings for terrorist attacks of 8 - 10, by Homeland Security is interesting. The highest threat rating they issue is 10.

Also I find it very interesting that Olbermann boasts that he received no resistance to airing the story from his network.


Ed

 

[cantdog]

The international observers to the past election had a lot to say about the flaws they saw in it. There was a pretty good report and a brief interview with one of them on Democracy Now and Free Speech Radio News. (democracynow.org and fsrn.org will usually have transcripts on their sites of the previous day or days' shows).

 

[cantdog]

But I'm afraid the ordinary corporate outlets are not going to give this much play. Enough people are concerned, though, (votergate.org) so that I feel sure only the blackest of neighborhoods will still have paperless voting machines by the midterm elections.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Here ya go teach:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html



Sounds a lot like sour grapes from the side that lost, but one of these two might be what you were looking for.

 

[shereads]

What can't be audited, can't be challenged. Can it?

 

[Edward Teach]

What can't be audited, can't be challenged. Can it?

Conyers isn't publicly claiming to be challenging the election, Sher, although that is surely what he is doing. What he claims to be attempting is to freeze all records so that they may be investigated for possible mistakes which can be eliminated in the future.

As an aside, isn't it curious how Falluja was attacked immediately after the election, taking everything else off the front page.

Ed

 

[Weird Harold]

Here ya go teach:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html

Ruminator posted this link on a GB thread about the reliability of e-voting. It has links to the news stories about each incident.

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?offset=0&catid=&showall=&sort=

They've picked up five new problems on that site since yesterday, but have only 271 cases listed with only about 40 since the Election.

I think Oberrman's experience is probably pretty much the case everywhere -- apparently the only objection is bosses raised is how "newsworthy" the story was.

Blackboxvoting.org and several other "voters' rights" groups have submitted Freedom of Information Act requsts for the raw data from e-voting systems to search for evidence of fraud or tampering, but only votersunite.org seems to be concentrating on documented problems instead of nebulous "conspiracy theories" about what's being suppressed and hidden.

The evidence VoterUnite has collected so far pretty much points to "human error" problems and a few isolated hardware failures.

Broward County Florida and New Orleans seemto have themost serious problems with e-voting, but the problems are mostly oprgnizational and delays due to technical problems that were mostly resolved in time for the Election to proceed.

The one thing that stands out, is that even by the most pessimistic of readings of the news stories and anecdotes collected is that no more than 1% of voters were affected in any way by technical difficulties with E-Voting and no more than about 1% of that small fraction were actually prevented from voting.

One thing that is seldom mentioned about the "115% Turnout" story in Ohio is that Ohio permits REGISTRATION AT THE POLLS. All the percentages indicate is that there ar a lot of Ohioan's who didn't pre-register for this election and registered at the polls instead.

 

[Weird Harold]

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html

An interesting article that cotains this assertion:

Irregularities

Since Election Day, some computer irregularities have surfaced in Ohio and elsewhere.

Ohio elections officials said an error with an electronic voting system in Franklin County gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, more than a 1,000 percent more than he actually got. Records indicated that only 638 voters cast ballots in the precinct and that Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Now for the REST of the Story... (to borrow a phrase.)

Interesting that the author doesn't seem to notice that the error gave EVERY Candidate on those Ballots a 1000% boost -- The fault in questionis one of the stories linked to by votersunite.org and explains that the faulty memeory module in question simply went into a loop and recorded ALL of it's information several dozen times.

The author of that article also mentions a Florida county that is heavily registered as Democrats but voted heavily for GWB -- without mentioning that the same county voted almost exactly the same way in 2000 and voted heavily for Reagan twice.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

An interesting article that cotains this assertion:



Now for the REST of the Story... (to borrow a phrase.)

Interesting that the author doesn't seem to notice that the error gave EVERY Candidate on those Ballots a 1000% boost -- The fault in questionis one of the stories linked to by votersunite.org and explains that the faulty memeory module in question simply went into a loop and recorded ALL of it's information several dozen times.

The author of that article also mentions a Florida county that is heavily registered as Democrats but voted heavily for GWB -- without mentioning that the same county voted almost exactly the same way in 2000 and voted heavily for Reagan twice.

The only united theme I have seen among them is that exit polls didn't accurately predict the outcome. I posted a link in an earlier thread where two of the services conducting exit polling admited they made mistakes along with admiting someone within their organization released incomplete early data to the internet and web blogers latched onto it.

While on the subject of conspiracy theories I have saen a couple of people postulate that the early releases were intentional in the hope of the "solid" victories for Kerry they were predicting with them would keep W voters at home.

-Colly

 

[Weird Harold]

The only united theme I have seen among them is that exit polls didn't accurately predict the outcome.
...
While on the subject of conspiracy theories I have saen a couple of people postulate that the early releases were intentional in the hope of the "solid" victories for Kerry they were predicting with them would keep W voters at home.

I am convinced that 99.9999% of the bloggers on both sides are looking for "facts" to support their views and looking for ANY explanation -- including conspiracies -- to avoid dealing with the results of the election

One very interesting trend in the news stories votersunite links from their database of problems is that the much maligned Diebold E-voting systems are NOT prominent among the post-election articles. Almost all of the problems linked with Diebold are older Diebold systems that have been in use for years and not with the newest generation of e-voting or tabulation systems.

Another big factors in post-election problems is votersunite's category of "late results" -- it seems nobody is willing to wait for problems to be resolved and/or is simultaneously crying about the trust-worthiness of the machines that produce the fastest results.

It seems to be a bit contradictory to want both a fast-count and also demand that the counting be as accurate as possible. The pressure to announce results "right now" is generated many of the "problems" in both the actual vote tabulation and the exit polls.

Perhaps we need to put a national gag-order on Election results and polls for seven days or so to curb the "thirty second attention span" of the "TV Generation" (note: I didn't say "MTV generation" because there are a lot of people my age also crying for every snippet and hint of how the Election is progressing.)

 

[BigAndTall]

I have never understood what the harm would be if the results of an election were kept for 24 hours after an election and then released by ALL the states at once.

I could even wait until the absentee votes are counted.

 

[Couture]

Goddammit, the little bastard did it again!

 

[jozef_the_dragon]

interesting facts

is it not strange that the problems with this election, like the last all favor bush, that in its self is questionable, it seems that the entire system is rigged to overload and fail, the problem is that people just wont let it die, they work so hard to cover their lies and keep any questions from ever being fully investigated, they gag the media and threaten the reporters, now there is talk of screening all internet transmissions through a politically correct and government sensitive system, all i gotta say is FUK EM, those in charge will always stay in charge, there is nothing short of revolution that can change that, that much is clear, what has become obscure here of late is that now "they" the ones in charge, don't care so much about flaunting their power, they have learned that they can not be openly challenged and so they work openly to achive whatever purpose they desire, Politics-definition... is the art of saying one thing and doing another...translation-LIE, so stop whinning, quite bitching, accept the fact that "the people" are not in charge of democrocy, and everything will become more clear, the old phrase still rings true...Money talks, Bullshit walks....evidence is in the news, in the White House, and in the local PTA, there is no escaping the facts are clear, but people just refuse to accept it, GET OVER IT, they people suck, the people gave up any chance of power and control by putting trust in a system of eliete self-centered, self-motivated slave owners, the only freedom left is the freedom to choose what has already been presented, WAKE UP, its over, the people failed, the system for "the people" was in name only format, so enjoy,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
loosers
if i offened anyone, GOOD, someboby had to do it

 

[Guest]

Re: interesting facts

. . . .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
loosers
if i offened anyone, GOOD, someboby had to do it

Did an ill wind just blow through here?

http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/zensiert/badair.gif




(I believe it's spelled losers, big guy.)

 

[Lady Lay]

Edward Teach
Firstly, John Kerry conceded. As I pointed out here Sunday, no candidate’s statement is legally binding - what matters is the state election commissions’ reports, and the Electoral College vote next month. But in terms of reportorial momentum, the concession took the wind out of a lot of journalists’
__________________________________________________

So does this mean that even though John Kerry conceded, it’s not binding? Does this also mean that since the Electoral College hasn’t voted yet, Bush isn’t actually the new president until they do?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Edward Teach
Firstly, John Kerry conceded. As I pointed out here Sunday, no candidate’s statement is legally binding - what matters is the state election commissions’ reports, and the Electoral College vote next month. But in terms of reportorial momentum, the concession took the wind out of a lot of journalists’
__________________________________________________

So does this mean that even though John Kerry conceded, it’s not binding? Does this also mean that since the Electoral College hasn’t voted yet, Bush isn’t actually the new president until they do?

In theory, the electors could vote Rush Limbaugh or Michal Moore president. It's their votes that county. You aren't actually voting for the president, you are voting for an elector. If that sounds hopeful, don't let it fool you. The electors are by and large party hacks, appointed by the various parties. They all have aspirations of a cushy job or aspirations to run for office, so they are not about to cast their vote for anyone other than the man the Gop or Democratic party tells them too.

-Colly

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

From the THE FREE DICTIONARY . COM citation on the U.S. Electoral College there is this extraction:

In practice, the voters choose slates of electors pledged to candidates for president and vice president; in most states, the names of the electors do not appear on the ballot.

Legally, the electors are free to cast their votes for anyone they choose; in practice, electors almost never vote for a candidate they are not pledged to. When this does happen, it is most often a case of the elector voting the pledged candidate for Vice-President as President and vice-versa, usually as a protest. For example, this happened in 1988 when an elector pledged to Michael Dukakis voted for Lloyd Bentsen to protest the Electoral College system. In 2000 an elector from the District of Columbia abstained her vote to protest the District's lack of a voting representative in Congress.

The last time an elector voted for the candidates of a different party was 1972 when Republican elector Roger MacBride voted for Libertarian candidates John Hospers and Theodora Nathan. This was the first electoral vote cast for a woman.

Several states, but not all, have laws stating that if an elector becomes a "faithless" elector and does not vote for the candidate to which he is pledged he can be replaced or even punished, but the constitutionality of such laws is debated and has never been tested.

 

[HornyHenry]

Don't know if any of it is factual - time will tell

Dear Friends,

When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.

Her reply was "voter fraud."

The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about. When he asked, she replied:

"Something BIG is about to happen."


What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first. But if you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence, you'll scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their sockets, and you'll try to figure out what to do.

So here it is.

The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November 2nd. The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the election was stolen. There is already a congressional investigation underway and a consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).

Electronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.

The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the mainstream media, or you can read on. Just remember where you heard it first.

I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally by the minute.

The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.

Key points
• "Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was the use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail. These were manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold. Both of these companies are big supporters of the Republican Party. Walden O'Dell, the owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to get elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska. A bill was introduced in the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and require a paper printout of each vote so that they could be verified and/or recounted. The bill was stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and it was not allowed to come to vote. Shortly after the November 2rd election, countless stories of problems with the machines began to surface. Many people tried to vote for Kerry and said that when the final confirmation screen came up it said they voted for Bush. In one precinct in Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were there were only 638 registered voters. Many more stories about the black box voting machines, their problems, and the investigation into their tampering are circulating. Blackboxvoting.org is leading the way in the investigation to proving the results were tampered with.
• Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states that had verifiable paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were virtually the same as the real results. However, in the states where electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls were mysteriously very different from the final reported totals. You can view the exit poll data directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.
• Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast votes or tally them, some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just one example. In Baker County, Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them regsitered Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Are we supposed to believe that 5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted for Bush??? This pattern repeats itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the raw data for every Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email
• Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there was widespread voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In many democratic areas, people waited hours to vote, while Republicans "challenged" voters' rights to vote, forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional ballots were not counted on election day and we may never know how many of them there were, or what rules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic areas with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting precinct had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that they would go to jail of they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on and on. You can see the some of the flyers that were sent out and read about more of the shenanigans at the link at the bottom of this email.
• Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory. This is not heresay. There is evidence. There are witnesses. There are investigations underway. Three Congressmen have sent a letter to the General Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an investigation. Ralph Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide, and has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire. You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's efforts at the link below.


They will call us sore losers. They will have their lawyers and computer experts too. They will refute the evidence. But the truth is on our side and we will prevail.

Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection


Read this too: http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0


What we need now is for the information to get out to more people. The mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat. So please forward this email to your friends and family. If every person tells three other people, everyone will know before the media decides to wake up.

Peace,
Gary Beckwith

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Re: Don't know if any of it is factual - time will tell

Dear Friends,

When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.

Her reply was "voter fraud."

The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about. When he asked, she replied:

"Something BIG is about to happen."


What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first. But if you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence, you'll scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their sockets, and you'll try to figure out what to do.

So here it is.

The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November 2nd. The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the election was stolen. There is already a congressional investigation underway and a consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).

Electronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.

The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the mainstream media, or you can read on. Just remember where you heard it first.

I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally by the minute.

The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.

Key points
• "Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was the use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail. These were manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold. Both of these companies are big supporters of the Republican Party. Walden O'Dell, the owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to get elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska. A bill was introduced in the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and require a paper printout of each vote so that they could be verified and/or recounted. The bill was stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and it was not allowed to come to vote. Shortly after the November 2rd election, countless stories of problems with the machines began to surface. Many people tried to vote for Kerry and said that when the final confirmation screen came up it said they voted for Bush. In one precinct in Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were there were only 638 registered voters. Many more stories about the black box voting machines, their problems, and the investigation into their tampering are circulating. Blackboxvoting.org is leading the way in the investigation to proving the results were tampered with.

Um yes. this was dealt with above, it gave Every candidate extra votes.

• Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states that had verifiable paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were virtually the same as the real results. However, in the states where electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls were mysteriously very different from the final reported totals. You can view the exit poll data directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.

Dewy Defeats Truman! Polls aren't perfect and as I noted above at least two of the polling groups admitted thier data was released early and taken out of context.


• Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast votes or tally them, some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just one example. In Baker County, Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them regsitered Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Are we supposed to believe that 5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted for Bush??? This pattern repeats itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the raw data for every Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email

And if you check the voting record you will find they voted for Bush last time, for Dole, For Bush for Regan. This and two other districts are filled with "southern Democrats" people who vote Republican but are registered democrat. Check the voting record.


• Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there was widespread voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In many democratic areas, people waited hours to vote, while Republicans "challenged" voters' rights to vote, forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional ballots were not counted on election day and we may never know how many of them there were, or what rules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic areas with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting precinct had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that they would go to jail of they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on and on. You can see the some of the flyers that were sent out and read about more of the shenanigans at the link at the bottom of this email.
• Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory. This is not heresay. There is evidence. There are witnesses. There are investigations underway. Three Congressmen have sent a letter to the General Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an investigation. Ralph Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide, and has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire. You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's efforts at the link below.


They will call us sore losers. They will have their lawyers and computer experts too. They will refute the evidence. But the truth is on our side and we will prevail.

Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection


Read this too: http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0

What we need now is for the information to get out to more people. The mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat. So please forward this email to your friends and family. If every person tells three other people, everyone will know before the media decides to wake up.

Peace,
Gary Beckwith

Give it a rest, please.

 

[Lady Lay]

Thanks Colly,

I understand that we vote for the electors that vote in the Electoral College but if the link below is correct then this election was as bogus as the last one.

Weird Harold's link below is just scary.

http://www.votersunite.org/election...&showall=&sort=