Fits of Logic

co_delphi

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I have often found myself pondering ideas that seem to make perfect sense. What I am hoping to achieve is to both express these ideas and get feedback from everyone as to the pro's and con's of such thoughts along with hearing new theories from all of you. Hopefully this will be an enlightening experience for all.
 
First thought

I will seperate each idea I give by a different message for the ease of replies to a singular idea instead of having to edit the quote to only target the related topic.

The first thing I ponder is that with th male sexual peak being between the ages of 18 - 24 it is understood that most marriages start between these times as a solution to the males as a guarenteed release to these urges (along with other feelings). I also understand that the female sexual peak is roughly between the ages of 35 - 40. Could this be in relation to the fact that instead of the widely accepted biological clock theory, that instead the females recognise the fact that they are no longer as youthful as they were and less likely to be a sexually sought after commodity and therefore seek sex more actively than before as a way to ensure themselves that they are still just as sexually attractive as they were in their youth (a mental fountain of youth)?
 
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second thought

It is understood that most people crave more what they cannot have. Could it then be justified that those of a religious background that encourages abstinence before marriage would in fact be causing more harm than good by causing a greater chance of sexual crimes due to moral sexual regression? Myself I am agnostic and choose to believe that there is nothing wrong with sex before marriage and have not found any urges toward non-consentual sex. Anything you have to say will at least be able to help me formulate how valid of a postulation this is.
 
Third thought

Under a common setting for the basic male/female introduction, a woman sitting alone at a bar (I know a bit out of date but it still works for hypothetical reasons, simply relate this to the venue of your choice to make it more believable) and the male approaches to attempt to interact with the female. The one-liner was originally designed as a stupid joke to ease tension and is now viewed as an immediate turn-off so is not a viable option. Buying a drink for the person could be viewed as being out of date not to mention expnsive if it doesn't work. Asking to dance with a total stranger is nerve wracking simply because given the setting you might be the only people doing so, requires both side to be comfortabel with lettings strangers within what is normally considered their own personal space, and also allows the presenter to be open to an immediate refusal (even if not for reasons of attraction - like you suck ast dancing like me.) Are we simply limited to small-talk or is there something better that I have simply overlooked?
 
Fourth thought

It is commonly understood that people seek people like themselves so as to feel at home with their feelings and not feel alienated because of their different lifestyles. I like many male computer geeks have found a severe lack in the ability to find like minded women. Is it concievable that the reason I am not finding any women of the geekish sort, because they like myself are holed up in their room conversing on chat rooms also instead of going to the typical places to meet people? If this is correct, where would be the correct places for meeting women of this nature?
 
as for thought number one, i may be a bad example of this one. i lost my virginity at 12 and my sexual energy has built consistently ever since. i am now 32. personally i dont believe in the biological clock theory at all. but you do have an extremely interesting view on the growing older for women and wanting to be more attractive to men who may be looking towards younger women...hadnt thought of that. yet there again ive been attracted to women of all ages and types...and no matter the age, the sexual urges are most diverse also.

Wolf
 
reply to Wolf's answer

Although I must say that I am comforted by the knowledge that like you, I may still be as interested in sex by the age of 32 My main questuion is to whether the attempt to feel young again is the reasoning for the increase in sexual activity in women ages 35-40.
 
Re: second thought

co_delphi said:
It is understood that most people crave more what they cannot have. Could it then be justified that those of a religious background that encourages abstinence before marriage would in fact be causing more harm than good by causing a greater chance of sexual crimes due to moral sexual regression? Myself I am agnostic and choose to believe that there is nothing wrong with sex before marriage and have not found any urges toward non-consentual sex. Anything you have to say will at least be able to help me formulate how valid of a postulation this is.

I like a good debate, so please don't take insult to anything I may say in response to your posts.;)

As for this pondered thought...there is merit in your theory. Between you being a self-claimed agnostic and the ongoing publicity of the sex crimes linked to priest, I can see where this could seem likely.

However, (you knew there would be a however, right?) these conclusions would be consistant with the belief that sex crimes are about sex. For the most part, this is not true. Sex crimes are about power. For example, prison rape. It is widely known that this is a common occurance in today's system. Is it because the prison's are full of homosexual men? Not likely. Rape is showing someone that you can control them. Take away a criminal's weapons and what is left to exert that control? His arm, legs, mind, and penis. And what is the most humilating way possible to flex control over another man?

Extensive studies and interviews with convicted sexual predators has revealed (from the mouths of the very people that commit these acts) that even though they act they are commiting is sexual in nature, the thrill for these animals is in the struggle, the challenge.

The data from these studies also shows that a huge percentage of sexual offenders have the typical married, 2.5 kids, american dream life. So, they are not being denied anything that the rest of us have.

Now taking that into consideration and applying your theory of the need for what we can't have...molesters cannot have our children. Rapists cannot take another person against their will. It will never be acceptable or allowed.

And because I'm not agnostic I'd also like to give my religious perspective on this theory. If there is a belief (without getting into denomination) in good and evil. In which side of things do you think hurting another person would be? Personally, I think evil. I also think that most of the priest and other clergy that are being discovered for who they are in recent times entered the ministry with the issues inside them. Perhaps in an attempt to not act on their impulses? There will probably never be anything to back up that opinion, as that would mean volunteering that they had the urges or thoughts in the first place.

I don't believe there is such a thing as rehabilitation or cure for individuals that commit such vile acts against another person, however if there is any power in existance in this life that could assist them if I would think it would be a 'divine intervention'.

Thanks for the thoughts...and I hope mine made at least some sort of sense.

Oh and another thought....(yeah, longwinded, I know). If you're talking about religion in a biblical sense, "for all have sinned". In a Christianity point of view, we are human, not gods, and we're blessed with the ability to enjoy one another. And while there are guidelines that are asked of followers, it doesn't have to represent hellfire and damnation if not followed how others might interpret those guidelines. Afterall, it was said to "go forth and populate the earth" before there were ever marriage ceremonies and contracts. And there is an entire book in the bible devoted to love, relationships, intimacy, and lust. Pretty sensual stuff too! ;)
 
i realize the question in hand, and its one ive never considered before, but again, to some who are uncertain of themselves, then the mental fountain of youth would seem accurate, for a woman who is self confidant, her sexual needs and prowess are whatever and whenever she wants.

Wolf
 
Re: Re: second thought

sortacurious said:


I like a good debate, so please don't take insult to anything I may say in response to your posts.;)

I am in this purely for the purpose of validating my views, any responses are accepted as another view and respected as that.


For example, prison rape. It is widely known that this is a common occurance in today's system. Is it because the prison's are full of homosexual men? Not likely.

This has caused me yet another odd thought. Personally if I was placed within a correctional facility, especially with the knowledge that I would be there for a number of years (especially if when interned I did not have a female that would be willing to wait for me and make conjugal visits if available) that instead of being viewed as homo-sexual behavior, it would simply be use of what is available for sexual release. Granted that you are correct that it would also be a play for power, but given the circumstances the last I checked there were no co-ed prisons (at least not in the US that is) and you live in a room with one open wall facing your peers that you will be spending a long period around. Personally I find masturbation a personal thing and don't believe that I could get the same satisfaction out of it with the knowlege that other people may be watching me and that it might excite others to perform actions much as you described upon me. What I'm saying is that it may not only be a power play, but instead as an act of sexual regression (in some cases that is).


If there is a belief (without getting into denomination) in good and evil. In which side of things do you think hurting another person would be? Personally, I think evil.

Religion as a whole is based upon a certain group of beliefs and morals that the followers must abide by. At any given point, the path a person takes is based upon a moral judgement by the individual. If an individual is streesed enough dealing with a particular moral or lacks moral strength they can be found to go against them even though they know what they are doing is wrong. What I'm saying is that by placing these morals upon people instead of allowing them to make the judgement themselves. Now place a moral upon somebody dealing with a natural urge like sex, and repression will simply result in frustration and possibly even resentment toward that of which caused the remorse toward such an urge which could result in a person lashing out and doing something they know they shouldn't.
 
co_delphi said:
I have often found myself pondering ideas that seem to make perfect sense. What I am hoping to achieve is to both express these ideas and get feedback from everyone as to the pro's and con's of such thoughts along with hearing new theories from all of you. Hopefully this will be an enlightening experience for all.

See, now I have a whole different outlook on part of this thought. If women mature faster then men, a woman would have to marry an older man........ If women live longer then men, then women would have to marry a younger man............What's a woman to do? hmmmmmmmmm I think lesbians have the right idea. :D
 
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Naughty n Nice said:


See, now I have a whole different outlook on part of this thought. If women mature faster then men, a woman would have to marry an older man........ If women live longer then men, then women would have to marry a younger man............What's a woman to do? hmmmmmmmmm I think lesbians have the right idea. :D

Technically this is all a rather new concept. Unfortunately with the advances of medicine and understanding of the human anatomy within the last two hundred years we have enabled ourselves to actually die of old age. Personnally I think they had it right during the Middle Ages. As soon as a female hit puberty they immediately tried to find her a older male, hopefully who has also just started puberty. They were then married and they proceeded to boink like rabbits constantly until one of them died. Reason being is that 1 in 30 children lived past the age of 5 and that the standard life expectancy of anyone was the age of 31.

Damn..... I often begin to wonder if too much History Channel is a bad thing.
 
cm'ere, i'll give you some sugar

Naaa there isn't too much of anything that has anything remotely to do with sex :p Well, except for the grotesque thought of our parents having any at all. EW :eek:
 
answer to third thought?

well....ive done three things in the past. one was the ole one-liners but mine were as follows:

1. excuse me, would you like to fuck or do i owe you an apology
2. you must wash your jeans in windex because i can see myself in them.

another is walking up to a woman and saying something to the effect of, my friends have been harrassing me that i couldnt dance with a beautiful woman, so i bet them i could dance with the most beautiful woman i see. would you care for a dance?

this works great when they are with someone because how coiuld a date deny the dance without insulting his date?

and the third was to just sit back and play pool. i have been suprised in the past how many women, whether great or not at pool, will talk and flirt with a calm, fairly dressed, not ogling everything that walks by, and just an air of confidence about him.

believe it or not, the one liners worked best. and this is just my experience talking, not from others or such. i also do not put much stock at all in statistics because data is always skewed unless the world has the same questionaire

conclusion: men still dont have a clue as to what attracts any one female much less to try and lump the idea into the entire female populace.
 
Re: reply to Wolf's answer

co_delphi said:
Although I must say that I am comforted by the knowledge that like you, I may still be as interested in sex by the age of 32 My main questuion is to whether the attempt to feel young again is the reasoning for the increase in sexual activity in women ages 35-40.

I don't know. I know that my drive right now at almost 34 is much much higher than it was in my 20s. Maybe its because I'm more comfortable in my own body than I was then.
 
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Lady_Sam said:


I don't know. I know that my drive right now at almost 34 is much much higher than it was in my 20s. Maybe its because I'm more comfortable in my own body than I was then.


You and me both. I'm 33, and my body 'woke up' last year. It's amazing! I can't imagine it getting better then it is now. Except, of course, if I had a partner :rolleyes:
 
Okay, giving my two cents on the first topic of ponderance (which I know is not a word.. but I like it)..

And I am a yank.. so my ideas and thoughts are solely based on growing up in the states...

I don't necessarily subscribe to the whole "biological clock" ticking theory. I think that was introduced at the same time women became serious competitors in the work force. Women began starting a career as opposed to a family, then around the age of 35-40 became afraid that it was getting to late to have the whole family life too.. as it is not always medically feasible to have a child after the age of 40. I don't believe the theory really applies to sexuality, but more towards the family life style.

Now, in terms of sexuality.. depedant upon one's moral and religious upbringing, and the liberal/repressed home life one may have come from.. determines one's attitude towards sexuality at a young age. I would think this is why so many younger women are ashamed or afraid of their sexuality.. they have been told it was dirty, or that it would determine their role in life.. ie slut/prude. As women get older, and further away from their upbringing.. they are more apt to try new things, and discover and own their sexuality.. as opposed to letting a male partner, or society own it for them... For some very lucky young women, they are able to own their sexuality from a young age.. and be in tune with their bodies and their wants and needs from a sexual stand point. I happened to be one of those lucky young women, that never had to use my sexuality in any shape or form in determining who I was. For others, it is a long road until they become comfortable enough with themselves, and fed up enough with the pressures from society to conform to a particular ideology of being female. I think that is why most women are more confident, and more willing to explore when they are in their thirties. I really don't think that is has anything to do with finding a mate.. there is no real need to compete with younger, much less experienced females.. as it is, selecting and finding a mate is more dependant upon having the same expectations, same communication, and same level of respect. If a man we are interested in.. is only interested in "sweet, young thangs".. nothing we do from a sexual stand point is going to change what he is looking for.. so why bother? I have dated older men, younger men, and men around my same age.. in every instance it had more to do with a particular reason I was attracted to them.. and not some fear of being alone.. or my biological clock ticking.

There is the whole hormone factor as well.. women are just more "primed" for sexuality as they get older... It is a natural biological response.. and is welcomed more often than not. Again, dependant upon the woman's view of sexuality.. will determine how welcome.. and what they do about it... I have just reached my early thirties.. and unless I am a late bloomer.. I enjoy sex as much now.. as I did when I first lost my virginity.. again that may well be due to the fact that I have always been comfortable with my sexuality. Perhaps too.. once a woman becomes confortable enough with her body and sexuality.. she actually relaxes enough to have an orgasm.. which is not always true with younger women who torment themselves with constant and endless.. does he really like me, what is he thinking when he sees me naked, am I pleasing him.. etc.. and they focus more on.. do I like what he is doing, am I being pleased.. etc..

Just my two cents.. C_C
 
Yet another idea

Ok now this one is a curious one that I have come up with.... Think of the stand Meat Markets where people go to pick up sexual partners, bars, dance clubs, the gym... etc. One thing these places all have in common is that usually people are sweating (most bars keep the tempature of the bar slightly hotter to make people thirsty). It is also a fact that sweat contains pheremones that excite members of the opposite sex causing the release of endorphins into the bloodstream causing the person to be in an excited personal state. Now with this in mind, would it not stand to reason that if you were to have sex in a sauna for instance that the experience would be mind-blowing?
 
A question for all females or experienced males

The menstral cycle is something that comes up once a month for roughly 1 - 7 days depending on the female. During this time the female is usually moody due to the abdominal cramps and also because of the hormones raging through her system. Unfortunately during this period (no pun intended) most forms of sexual gratification is unsanitary and also has a very good chance of staining the bedsheets. Now my question is, how is the best way to handle women during this time? My current girlfriend is exceptionally horny at all times, but even more so when menstrating. Unfortunately even though I attempt to satisfy her as best as possible with non-vaginal methods, she tends to crave it even more afterward. But if I avoid her during this time she tends to become very emotional. What should I do?
 
Re: answer to third thought?

Hmm, I think that one liners are horrible. I can not stand them, and if a guy is seriously wanting to pick me up, please, just say something like "Hi. I just couldn't help but notice you were alone and wondered if you'd like company." I think anything else, cheesy one liners, would just make me laugh and walk away. Eww!

The Wolfs Cry said:
well....ive done three things in the past. one was the ole one-liners but mine were as follows:

1. excuse me, would you like to fuck or do i owe you an apology
2. you must wash your jeans in windex because i can see myself in them.

another is walking up to a woman and saying something to the effect of, my friends have been harrassing me that i couldnt dance with a beautiful woman, so i bet them i could dance with the most beautiful woman i see. would you care for a dance?

this works great when they are with someone because how coiuld a date deny the dance without insulting his date?

and the third was to just sit back and play pool. i have been suprised in the past how many women, whether great or not at pool, will talk and flirt with a calm, fairly dressed, not ogling everything that walks by, and just an air of confidence about him.

believe it or not, the one liners worked best. and this is just my experience talking, not from others or such. i also do not put much stock at all in statistics because data is always skewed unless the world has the same questionaire

conclusion: men still dont have a clue as to what attracts any one female much less to try and lump the idea into the entire female populace.
 
Re: A question for all females or experienced males

co_delphi said:
The menstral cycle is something that comes up once a month for roughly 1 - 7 days depending on the female. During this time the female is usually moody due to the abdominal cramps and also because of the hormones raging through her system. Unfortunately during this period (no pun intended) most forms of sexual gratification is unsanitary and also has a very good chance of staining the bedsheets. Now my question is, how is the best way to handle women during this time? My current girlfriend is exceptionally horny at all times, but even more so when menstrating. Unfortunately even though I attempt to satisfy her as best as possible with non-vaginal methods, she tends to crave it even more afterward. But if I avoid her during this time she tends to become very emotional. What should I do?

I don't know about unsanitary...but my experience is that a lot of men are grossed out by sex during this time.

Personally, I'm incredibly horny during my monthly.

If you're worried about a mess...there's always shower sex.;)
 
Re: Re: A question for all females or experienced males

sortacurious said:

If you're worried about a mess...there's always shower sex.;)

Normally I'm one for the ever so great water fun, unfortunately, whoever designed my apartments bathrooms first of all designed it for midgets (I've corrected that problem with purchases from Home Depot) and also clearly intended the showers for use by only one person. Granted I have tried to have some good clean fun in the shower, but between height differences and trying to work around the design of the shower it has been if anything a true gymnastic feat to simply accomplish penetration let alone any form of movement.
 
shower sex has been the greatest invention i know of for having sex while one is on their period. of course, being raised by an engineer and hence am one serious tinkerer, i have a garden tub now with a shower head on both ends complete with massagers and all. <shrug> doesnt everyone heheheh

and as for one-liners, if one is only slightly perceptive, you can tell where one-liners will work and where other methods of meeting someone are needed. if you are not that perceptive, well, you get what you can <gawd what an ego eh?>

Wolf
 
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