Fisting

[CharleyH]

Have not been here in a while, but I have a serious question.

I have fisted many girl"s but never a gal who has not been fisted, before, and am nervous becuase I have never broken a chick that way. Long story, but my last fist said to me I could break my hand on a fist virgin. That scares me, and I want the event to be beautiful for us both. I have been breaking her in. What are last words on having us both comfortable, in a fist situation??

 

[shy slave]

Etoile


Where are you???



*sits and waits*

 

[CharleyH]

Etoile


Where are you???



*sits and waits*

I sit and wait too. No Ideas? I have been breaking her bigger and bigger, but my hand? I was never anything but receptive WITH somene who has been there and done it. I even have a hand dildo :| HELP!

 

[serijules]

My advice would be to start slow, and plan a fisting session without any goals. In other words...neither of you should go into the scene with the expectation that she will take your entire fist. Instead, play around slowly, play with different sensations and different moods and see which turn her on the most or make her most receptive and open. Start with a finger....then add another...and so forth. Going into a fisting scene with the expectation that an entire fist is going to be inserted at some point is enough to make it impossible to happen. If you drop the expectations and just play with moods and sensations and slowly build up, you may both be relaxed enough that it will happen, and it not....there is always next time to look forward to!

The focus of fisting should not be size or stretchability...but the whole experience.

 

[CharleyH]

My advice would be to start slow, and plan a fisting session without any goals. In other words...neither of you should go into the scene with the expectation that she will take your entire fist. Instead, play around slowly, play with different sensations and different moods and see which turn her on the most or make her most receptive and open. Start with a finger....then add another...and so forth. Going into a fisting scene with the expectation that an entire fist is going to be inserted at some point is enough to make it impossible to happen. If you drop the expectations and just play with moods and sensations and slowly build up, you may both be relaxed enough that it will happen, and it not....there is always next time to look forward to!

The focus of fisting should not be size or stretchability...but the whole experience.

SHE IS NOT SCARED. I am, about my ... I am

 

[serijules]

SHE IS NOT SCARED. I am, about my ... I am

My advice still stands. Do you think your partner is clueless enough that she would not notice your nervousness? That isn't exactly a recipie for relaxation.

Besides, I'm not quite understanding why someone who is new to fisting is any different than someone who is not, in regards to your fears? It's not like a cunt stays stretched open after being fisted the first time.

 

[Netzach]

Oh I understand the concern somewhat. I've not fisted a virgin to fisting either, and I've heard the "broken hand" story, though I think it may be a spreading urban legend.

Although I do know someone who sprained her wrist mildly. And I know someone else who has carpal tunnel in her fisting hand. Lucky bitch.

Almost all the fistees I've fisted are fairly experienced at it and yes, they are a bit more resilient, generally. There is still something nerve wracking as well as hot when your hand gets grabbed up into the mysterious regions, illogical as that sounds

I'd do what serijules said, personally - just go as far as I feel like going with no real goal or expectation, if she's thinking she gets the whole thing and doesn't oh well, there's always next time.

 

[Etoile]

Here I am! I was with Daddy for the weekend. http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/2thumbsup.gif

Now, on to the question. I have never, ever, ever heard about anybody breaking their hand, especially not an experienced fister. I'm not even sure when it's supposedly happening - the person doing the fisting isn't going to push their hand in if it doesn't fit! And if it's during orgasm, well...personally I don't think the female orgasm is that strong.

But yes, Netzach's and serijules's advice is exactly right. Fisting should never be a hard and fast goal of a sexual encounter. It can be on the agenda, but it shouldn't be required. Both the fister and the fistee should keep lines of communication open, as you know. If she feels like it isn't going to happen, then it's probably not going to happen. But the important part is that you should make sure she believes she can be fisted. If she can't believe in it, then she won't be able to do it.

Although really, the bottom line is: there is no difference between fisting a woman who has never been fisted before and fisting a woman who has been fisted a hundred times. There should be communication, care, and lube! The woman who has been fisted before will know how her body will respond, but she should have every courtesy extended to her that you would extend to the virgin.

 

[shy slave]

Here I am! I was with Daddy for the weekend. http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/2thumbsup.gif

Now, on to the question. I have never, ever, ever heard about anybody breaking their hand, especially not an experienced fister. I'm not even sure when it's supposedly happening - the person doing the fisting isn't going to push their hand in if it doesn't fit! And if it's during orgasm, well...personally I don't think the female orgasm is that strong.

But yes, Netzach's and serijules's advice is exactly right. Fisting should never be a hard and fast goal of a sexual encounter. It can be on the agenda, but it shouldn't be required. Both the fister and the fistee should keep lines of communication open, as you know. If she feels like it isn't going to happen, then it's probably not going to happen. But the important part is that you should make sure she believes she can be fisted. If she can't believe in it, then she won't be able to do it.

Although really, the bottom line is: there is no difference between fisting a woman who has never been fisted before and fisting a woman who has been fisted a hundred times. There should be communication, care, and lube! The woman who has been fisted before will know how her body will respond, but she should have every courtesy extended to her that you would extend to the virgin.

The Queen of Fisting Returns

 

[psyche1973]

While you're all on the subject of fisting.. I would like to ask a dumb question, don't beat me up for it please!
What are the longterm ramifications of fisting? Should one who is prized her tightness ever engage in this activity? What about vaginal/anal prolapse? Forget about breaking your hand, I don't want my stuff to fall out!
Is this something you take care to avoid, or is it not even a real concern because it does not happen?

 

[h_i_s]

For many, if vaginal prolapse occurs ... it was more than likely to occur anyway, regardless, .. with or without the act of fisting being a contributory factor. The vagina is a highly resilient mass of muscle, high in collagen (the stuff that gives muscle and skin tissue their elasticity .. aka ability to bounce back to an original form).

Read more about Vaginal Prolapse at : http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/vaginalprolapse.html

What causes this condition?

Childbirth - prolonged labours and in particular, prolonged 2nd stage labour, and big babies.

Menopause - decreasing oestrogen levels have an impact on the collagen content of the pelvic floor tissues.

Hereditary genetic predisposition to this condition - many women have large babies with long labours, go through menopause and do not have a prolapse.

 

[Etoile]

While you're all on the subject of fisting.. I would like to ask a dumb question, don't beat me up for it please!
What are the longterm ramifications of fisting? Should one who is prized her tightness ever engage in this activity? What about vaginal/anal prolapse? Forget about breaking your hand, I don't want my stuff to fall out!
Is this something you take care to avoid, or is it not even a real concern because it does not happen?

No, there is no risk of vaginal or anal prolapse! I am 100% confident when I say there is no risk whatsover for these to accur from fisting. (Okay, I should probably say there's a 0.00005% chance, just for that one-in-a-billion woman who does have a weird anatomy.) Seriously, you don't have to worry about that at ALL. It just cannot happen.

Additionally, there is absolutely no effect on your tightness as a result of fisting. If you were fisted five times a day, every day, for five years, you might start to notice some loss of elasticity. But keep it to a reasonable frequency (I get fisted several times per month) and you're fine. You will notice that you are a little bit looser very shortly after fisting, but you would be as tight as ever within a day or so.

And it's not a dumb question - how do you know if you don't ask? You might want to check out Deborah Addington's book A Hand in the Bush, which is (I think) the only book about vaginal fisting. There are some books about handballing, which is anal fisting, but they are geared more toward gay men. A Hand in the Bush is considered the vaginal fisting bible.

 

[Etoile]

For many, if vaginal prolapse occurs ... it was more than likely to occur anyway, regardless, .. with or without the act of fisting being a contributory factor. The vagina is a highly resilient mass of muscle, high in collagen (the stuff that gives muscle and skin tissue their elasticity .. aka ability to bounce back to an original form).

Read more about Vaginal Prolapse at : http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/vaginalprolapse.html

What causes this condition?

Childbirth - prolonged labours and in particular, prolonged 2nd stage labour, and big babies.

Menopause - decreasing oestrogen levels have an impact on the collagen content of the pelvic floor tissues.

Hereditary genetic predisposition to this condition - many women have large babies with long labours, go through menopause and do not have a prolapse.

That site says 30 to 40% of all women will experience vaginal prolapse. So out of 100,000 women, that site says 30,000 to 40,000 will experience vaginal prolapse. I'm willing to bet, though, that out of 100,000 women, two would experience vaginal prolapse due to fisting. The chances are absurdly small.

 

[littlegirlslut]

Thank You

This thread has been VERY informative. So my question.... (and it's been a while) how long has it taken for some of you to work up to being fisted both anally and vaginally?

 

[psyche1973]

Thank you so much for not pouncing on me for my ignorance sinn0cent1 and Etoile. Thank you for educating me on this. If there is one thing I fear is medical intervention due to sexual mishap. I'm kinda sad to know I got a 30-40% chance of prolapse EVEN if I never discover the joys of fisting. Kinda makes the argument *why not?*

 

[Etoile]

This thread has been VERY informative. So my question.... (and it's been a while) how long has it taken for some of you to work up to being fisted both anally and vaginally?

I don't remember ever having worked up to vaginal fisting, but that was a while ago! I am pretty much a size queen, and one day I just kept wanting more and more fingers and then my wife's whole hand was in there.

I have yet to be fisted anally; the closest I've gotten is four fingers in as far as they will go. From what I've read, anal fisting is considered much "more difficult" than vaginal fisting, mostly due to the sphincter needing to be controlled. The vaginal canal doesn't have a sphincter, so there's no deliberate physical barrier to fisting, but the sphincter is there to keep stuff in (and other stuff out!) so it's harder to overcome that.

 

[littlegirlslut]

see i'm pretty tight. 2 fingers is full and 3 is pushing it.

a large penis and sometimes it hurts.

 

[h_i_s]

That site says 30 to 40% of all women will experience vaginal prolapse. So out of 100,000 women, that site says 30,000 to 40,000 will experience vaginal prolapse. I'm willing to bet, though, that out of 100,000 women, two would experience vaginal prolapse due to fisting. The chances are absurdly small.

Among our age groups .. yes, i agree that the posibilities are not high at all. In older women (talking 50+) the rates are a bit higher. And in saying so, i'm not out to downplay that small percentage regarding the issue itself ... i don't look back fondly (to say the least) upon my experiences in my twenties when i worked as a nurses' aid in a few local nursing homes ... assisted RNs & LPNs ... in temporary measures of 'realigning' prolapsed cervixes with a few bed ridden elderly females. It's not a fun position to be in & i highly doubt that any of their issues were caused by fisting ...

Based on my own personal experiences with being fisted, as well as, and having an understanding of the female body and anatomy courses studied ... i can agree, the chances are quite small.

 

[h_i_s]

I don't remember ever having worked up to vaginal fisting, but that was a while ago! I am pretty much a size queen, and one day I just kept wanting more and more fingers and then my wife's whole hand was in there.

I have yet to be fisted anally; the closest I've gotten is four fingers in as far as they will go. From what I've read, anal fisting is considered much "more difficult" than vaginal fisting, mostly due to the sphincter needing to be controlled. The vaginal canal doesn't have a sphincter, so there's no deliberate physical barrier to fisting, but the sphincter is there to keep stuff in (and other stuff out!) so it's harder to overcome that.

i DO recall quite vividly, as my first fisting by my Master was less than a year ago. He wanted it more than i did (at the time), i was very nervous ... and once i relaxed, the only pain i experienced was a burning sensation as the skin and surrounding tissues stretched open around His fingers, and then His open palm. He was patient with me, and once i relaxed ... i enjoyed it. It is still a 'tight fit' when He attempts to fist me. i still experience the burning sensation as the skin and muscle must stretch open each time in order to accomodate His fist/hand. i've been fisted enough times that i can no longer count ... and am still tight.
i've had two children, with the first concidered to be a large baby (2 ounces shy of 9 pounds) for my petite frame .. and the second delivered vaginal breech (and NO not feet first ... buttocks FIRST ... meaning the baby was folded in half .. with feet at it's ears .... makes for a 'double wide' delivery). How a person's skin and muscle tone handle stress put upon them, and the likelyness of those tissues being capable (or not) of bouncing back to the original state is all due to genetics. i concider myself lucky .. i was blessed with good genetics i suppose. Fisting does not cause a permanently 'stretched' vagina, in my case, and i've yet to hear of anyone who has such issues as a result of long term fistings. It's now one of my favorite ways of submitting to Him.

i only speak my opinions regarding issues which i have experienced personally. Anal fisting is NOT one of them. i have NO desire at this point for anal fisting.

 

[Bandit58]

I posted this on the How To boards and I probably should have posted it here too:

I went for a checkup last week and my doctor told me I have a prolapse of the wall of the vagina, most probably caused by the forceps delivery of my son 22 years ago. I had my tubes tied 6 years ago and when I stopped the contraceptive pill the same thing happened. With physiotherapy and doing kegel exercises it improved, but I still have occasional stress incontinence.

I have been told I may need surgery to correct this and "lift everything up". Have any other women here had this surgery? Did it fix your leakage problem? Was your sex life affected/improved? I would like to be able to be fisted at some stage, will this still be possible?

The prolapse most probably occurred due to the dramatic hormone drop when I quit taking the pill, but probably would have happened anyway due to the forceps delivery and episiotomy I had with my son. I also tore again when my daughter was born almost 5 years later. I have an appointment with a gyn in a couple of months (apparently my case is not "urgent" )

 

[traveler99]

Fisting and...

Hi all.

A guy here who loves the pleasure I can give fisting a lover.

Can write some time in detail about the couple women who I've been with who've been into being fisted.

For now, one had been only with women before we met. And I learned as we played the third time we made love how totally wild and turned on she got as more and more of my hand/fingers entered her pussy. She pushed down harder and harder - wanting to and askingn to be filled -- more and more -- and she eventually came so hard, quivering with pleasure. MMMM!

David

email/yahoo for details

 

[Etoile]

Oddly I've never had an orgasm just from being fisted. I still always require clitoral stimulation. I've heard about women who can do it just from the fisting, but it's never happened that way for me, even for some "milestone" (ahem) fistings.

 

[ammre]

i tried once with a partner. He said he's doen it before i said i was curious, and we tried, but for the life of us and a lot of lube and about a half an hour or more of our life spent, we could not get past the thumb bump, the wide part... eventuitally i jsut bacame sore and bored so we called it quits.
Honestly during sex, i get sore rather quickly vaginally, anallly though, i seem to be able to take mroe abuse. I dunno why. I'm actually kinda curious to try it in the booty.

 

[Killishandra]

Does fisting really feel that good?

I somehow doubt I would like it. A penis feels quite good, but a whole hand would be stretching it.

Pardon the pun.

 

[ammre]

Does fisting really feel that good?

I somehow doubt I would like it. A penis feels quite good, but a whole hand would be stretching it.

Pardon the pun.

as i stated before i never sudcceeded so i cna't really say if it felt that good or not. It wasne't exactly an unpleasent feeling though...
for me it's more of a kink, totally mental. I think, sometimes, maybe it should almost just stay a fantasy... I used to have this mentality of "ooo look what i can hide in there" like as a little kid i'd smuggle pens around the house...
yeah, i was weird. Barbie's leg felt good, shhhhh. ;\
but now it's almost like, ooo what can i fit in there?