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hi, i've been working on this little bit of verse about my sad, crazy home town of new orleans. any feedback would be welcomed; the more honest the better


At raucous angles the walls are rolling
In a sad canyon of tenements
And neon cathedrals
In damp lanes sink.
So, sister, whisper
Those jasmine spells;
From your lips they’ll
Fall Santeria-sticky
Like sweat drips, tepid.

Now, I don’t miss the taste
Of the Mississippi’s mud:
Stagnant grit and bramble scraping
The summer’s youth prayer,
Genuflecting in a mud warm ditch
Of blackberry snakespit
And honeysuckle
Tangled among the cane.

And all the rain can’t
Wash the cabaret crust
From the old men’s final nightly gigs—
Arthritic fingers moving from a
Bummed and lit Parliament,
To the off-pitch dark keys
Of a tune played so often that
The strings stink with familiar notes.

They still kill, if you know
What you are hearing.

Spireward sprawl cries
In Frenchman Street’s cacophony;
Coarse approval tugged from throats
Indistinct at The Apple Barrel,
Across shattered street and sidewalk
The Blue Nile weeps castanets,
Congo, Freddy Omar con su Banda,
Allen Ginsberg leers in earthy oils
From the wall of The Spotted Cat
Languid lips parted over the island
Of brass in a sea of stomping feet and
Imported beer bottles, an angry
Young tenor man asserts his sax
In the shadow of Café Brasil
To staccato claps and whistles
“He blew that, man!” and nods
And agreement of the elders
Who can still recall the vitality
In their fingers, dexterous as
Dexter Gordon, in the birth of the cool
Blue notes, before the delta drowned them,
Left them bent and shuffling among the
Stars, the bits of splintered bone
Gleaming in a solipsistic tar pit.

It’s too much.
I run like Slim Greer
Out and up Decatur
Crosses St.Phillip (I don’t
Piss on streets named for saints)
Crosses Rampart crosses
Canal and there the neutral ground
Grips the street car before it
Click, click, clicks me home.

The river rolls
her.
She’s my
mother.
She’s my cradle
grave.
She’s indescribable
and
My fingers stick just
trying.
 
Good one. Brought back memories for me.

I'm a little short on time, so I'll look closer at it later. Right now I just have a formatting suggestion. You start every line with a capital letter. Some like it and some don't- I find it confusing. But that's just me, so it's not really a must. But in the last stanza, you don't use capitals anymore. Any reason for that?

cheers!
#L
 
Great Poem

You should talk to Angeline lol.

If it were my poem I'd lose most of the second last and third last stanzas. They add little to the poem. You're just name dropping. What's left would be tighter and less redundant.
 
darkmaas said:
You should talk to Angeline lol.

If it were my poem I'd lose most of the second last and third last stanzas. They add little to the poem. You're just name dropping. What's left would be tighter and less redundant.
Absolutely.
 
darkmaas said:
You should talk to Angeline lol.

If it were my poem I'd lose most of the second last and third last stanzas. They add little to the poem. You're just name dropping. What's left would be tighter and less redundant.

I was just about to post "Hey! How come nobody told me about this guy?" and I saw this. Hahahahahaha. Oh. I mean hee hee.

Dear Mr. Punkpoetperson,

I think your poem is terrific. Welcome to the poetry forum. We need poets from New Orleans who feel the city and sing the music. Honestly, the Allen Ginsberg reference is just icing. How do you feel about Lester Young? Do you think Red Allen was better than Sachmo?

We like these topics on this forum. Ok, mainly me and yeah I'd edit a little, but it was a delightful jazz walk for me. Thanks for sharing it. :)

PS Don't listen to darkmaas. I have a better feel for jazz poetry than him. He writes better biblical poems though...
 
Imho

Your poem would benefit from some tightening and an edit. It is worth working with to improve. Most of the suggestions already made should be considered. As a start you might also consider replacing "drip" and the possessive "Mississippi’s" (Mississippi mud is far more common and is more euphonious).

Angeline is a good poet, but don't ask her to edit. ;)
Angeline said:
. . . I have a better feel for jazz poetry than him.
. . .
 
Angeline wrote:
I have a better feel for jazz poetry than him. He writes better biblical poems though...

Surely the line

"...(I don’t/
Piss on streets named for saints)"

qualifies it as a biblical poem.
 
Angeline is a good poet, but don't ask her to edit. ;)
I am a little shocked about that him/he thing, Ange. :D

I read the poem yesterday, and my first impression was that it was adjective-heavy--but a good poem.
 
WickedEve said:
I am a little shocked about that him/he thing, Ange. :D

I read the poem yesterday, and my first impression was that it was adjective-heavy--but a good poem.

When I was an college student in English, I recall a prof saying not to tell people we were educated in English because every time we made a mistake, someone would point it out to us. :D

Anyway, mea culpa for anything I say that's off the grammatical (or any other) mark when I'm sleepy.

And as far as jazz poetry and darkmaas, I do know more about jazz than he. :p

so there.
 
Normally, one only says, "an college student" if one is befuddled



him thinks so what?



"sigh"
 
darkmaas said:
Normally, one only says, "an college student" if one is befuddled



him thinks so what?



"sigh"

him thinks so good?

him's a good thinker?

:)
 
punkrockpoet said:
hi, i've been working on this little bit of verse about my sad, crazy home town of new orleans. any feedback would be welcomed; the more honest the better


At raucous angles the walls are rolling
In a sad canyon of tenements
And neon cathedrals
In damp lanes sink.
So, sister, whisper
Those jasmine spells;
From your lips they’ll
Fall Santeria-sticky
Like sweat drips, tepid.

Now, I don’t miss the taste
Of the Mississippi’s mud:
Stagnant grit and bramble scraping
The summer’s youth prayer,
Genuflecting in a mud warm ditch
Of blackberry snakespit
And honeysuckle
Tangled among the cane.

And all the rain can’t
Wash the cabaret crust
From the old men’s final nightly gigs—
Arthritic fingers moving from a
Bummed and lit Parliament,
To the off-pitch dark keys
Of a tune played so often that
The strings stink with familiar notes.

They still kill, if you know
What you are hearing.

Spireward sprawl cries
In Frenchman Street’s cacophony;
Coarse approval tugged from throats
Indistinct at The Apple Barrel,
Across shattered street and sidewalk
The Blue Nile weeps castanets,
Congo, Freddy Omar con su Banda,
Allen Ginsberg leers in earthy oils
From the wall of The Spotted Cat
Languid lips parted over the island
Of brass in a sea of stomping feet and
Imported beer bottles, an angry
Young tenor man asserts his sax
In the shadow of Café Brasil
To staccato claps and whistles
“He blew that, man!” and nods
And agreement of the elders
Who can still recall the vitality
In their fingers, dexterous as
Dexter Gordon, in the birth of the cool
Blue notes, before the delta drowned them,
Left them bent and shuffling among the
Stars, the bits of splintered bone
Gleaming in a solipsistic tar pit.

It’s too much.
I run like Slim Greer
Out and up Decatur
Crosses St.Phillip (I don’t
Piss on streets named for saints)
Crosses Rampart crosses
Canal and there the neutral ground
Grips the street car before it
Click, click, clicks me home.

The river rolls
her.
She’s my
mother.
She’s my cradle
grave.
She’s indescribable
and
My fingers stick just
trying.




this is a wonderful piece. it gave me goosebumps and made my eyes tear up. So powerful and moving,

I would love to read more of your work. :kiss:
 
Better than I first thought

My first reaction was that it as too long and that the poem didn't live up to its first line but then I read it again and decided both of these thoughts were wrong. What you did was produce a first line in a classical meter setting expectations that were not met.

It is about the right length but you do need to edit. there are several places where a listener/reader will stop reading/listning to a) figure out a word eg. solopsistic, b) see elements of form and look for patterns, eg. first line. There's another line where there is an internal rhyme (but I can't see the poem right now), a feature not used elsewhere and it doesn't appear to have a technical purpose. c) unnatural speech rhythms.

Read it aloud: really aloud. That will tell you where some of the lines that don't really work are. Many poets do not enunciate lines in their head the same way they speak. You have a couple of verses, especially the last that doesn't hear quite right. I can't put it stronger than that.

This is a good poem: find an open mike and read it there - I find just reading to an audience really tells me which lines need fixing. I'm now at a point where my poems are right at first reading but that took a year or two. I write on paper and the process of transcription to the computer is where I do my major revisions: some poems change there quite dramatically.

A
 
ag2507 said:
My first reaction was that it as too long and that the poem didn't live up to its first line but then I read it again and decided both of these thoughts were wrong. What you did was produce a first line in a classical meter setting expectations that were not met.

It is about the right length but you do need to edit. there are several places where a listener/reader will stop reading/listning to a) figure out a word eg. solopsistic, b) see elements of form and look for patterns, eg. first line. There's another line where there is an internal rhyme (but I can't see the poem right now), a feature not used elsewhere and it doesn't appear to have a technical purpose. c) unnatural speech rhythms.

Read it aloud: really aloud. That will tell you where some of the lines that don't really work are. Many poets do not enunciate lines in their head the same way they speak. You have a couple of verses, especially the last that doesn't hear quite right. I can't put it stronger than that.

This is a good poem: find an open mike and read it there - I find just reading to an audience really tells me which lines need fixing. I'm now at a point where my poems are right at first reading but that took a year or two. I write on paper and the process of transcription to the computer is where I do my major revisions: some poems change there quite dramatically.

A

That's great advice about the open mike reading. Do you have any poems here? :)
 
Oddly Enough

Angeline said:
That's great advice about the open mike reading. Do you have any poems here? :)

Indeed yes: I thought I had two rather trite pieces using rhyming couplets but to my astonishment I have one of my better erotic pieces. Unfortunately putting pieces up on Literotica makes them inelegeble for publication elsewhere - I need to make sure I update my notes to reflect this one's publication here.

A

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=41864
 
ag2507 said:
Indeed yes: I thought I had two rather trite pieces using rhyming couplets but to my astonishment I have one of my better erotic pieces. Unfortunately putting pieces up on Literotica makes them inelegeble for publication elsewhere - I need to make sure I update my notes to reflect this one's publication here.

A

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=41864

Thank you for posting it; I enjoyed reading it. You know you could turn that into a sonnet quite easily. :)
 
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