first "star wars" missile defense, now space bomber.

[WriterDom]

Bombing China on a lunch break.


Pentagon Considers 'Space Bomber' - LA Times
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is looking into the development of a futuristic bomber that would take off like a long-range missile and drop precision bombs from heights of 60 miles (96 km) or more, the Los Angeles Times reported in its Saturday edition.

The Times, citing a government planning document, said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered the Pentagon last month to consider the sub-orbital space craft for rapid global strikes.

It said the bomber, possibly manned, was expected to travel 15 times the speed and 10 times the altitude of existing bombers and hit targets on the other side of the world in a half-hour.

The craft would allow U.S. military planners to address the threat of distant targets at a time when the number of U.S. military bases abroad is declining, the Times said.

But it also was likely to intensify the debate over the militarization of space, it said.

President Bush (news - web sites) is backing a national missile defense system that is strongly opposed by Russia and China as well as some European leaders who have expressed doubts about setting aside the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

 

[p_p_man]

If I didn't know any better...

...I'd say that America is a country preparing for war.

 

[Aussie Worm]

All this money to spend on defence and hardly any to spend on more down to earth concerns like feeding and housing the homeless etc.

 

[WriterDom]

All this money to spend on defence and hardly any to spend on more down to earth concerns like feeding and housing the homeless etc.

Your right Aussie Worm. We are spending $292 billion on defense this year. We should abolish the Dept. of Defense and spend all that money on the homeless, global warming, and midnight basketball.

 

[Aussie Worm]

Your right Aussie Worm. We are spending $292 billion on defense this year. We should abolish the Dept. of Defense and spend all that money on the homeless, global warming, and midnight basketball.

Basketball? Now thats an even bigger waste

 

[WriterDom]

...I'd say that America is a country preparing for war.

We are a peace loving people, P P. Look at all the shit we put up with before kicking England's ass.

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

 

[Merelan]

There's an image...
a Big Mac, hold the mayo I am watching my weight, in one hand, and a finger on the button in the other.......Ah America. Love her or leave her.

Why is it when Writerdom starts talking history and politics I get all hot and bothered? Is there something wrong with me?

 

[Markov Cain]

Aussies generally seem to miss the point that America is rich enough for defense and helping the poor.

It is the poor who will not help themselves. I have never seen poor like the American poor anywhere else that I have traveled, be it S. America or China.

Our poor are obese, have a tv, a car, etc. They are fed, housed, and have transportation, both private and public.

As for my dear friend p_p_man,

When you have third world powers, second rate thugs, and first class idiots threatening to flood you with immigrants, to nuke you, and superseed your constitution with UN edicts and mandates, you begin to feel, well, isolated, alone, and constantly under attack.

Wouldn't you arm yourself, or at least want to If China goes on a rampage to expand it's perceived sphere of influence, which by the way, would mean isolating Australia, AT THE VERY LEAST! Don't you want us to stick up for the English speaking people's of the world?

Or should we let the French, Germans, Russians, and Chinese do that? Would you feel more secure if we just stood down and let them continue to build systems unchallenged?

I say hell no, but you may feel different. Da?

 

[Orlanth]

When you have third world powers, second rate thugs, and first class idiots threatening to flood you with immigrants, to nuke you, and superseed your constitution with UN edicts and mandates, you begin to feel, well, isolated, alone, and constantly under attack.

Do me a favour and think about why you would be treatend to be flooded with immigrants, Nuked, superseed your consitution.
Think about it.

If there is to be a world war 3, it would because of the USA's goverment. And I think that war is not far away.

 

[rambling man]

this futuristic bomber would be the military version of what NASA is already trying to accomplish...a space plane..although it has been described for its civilian uses, such as cargo and passenger carrying and much higher speeds, it would be impossible to ignore the military ones as well.

A MiG fighter can already reach heights of 80,000 feet (the Russians take tourists in them now for substantial amounts of money) The pictures from their cockpits are really freaky when you imagine yourself in a fighter cockpit (especially one made fifteen years ago by the Glorious Soviet Workers and their well-known dedication to quality) Russians and American planes are capable of shooting satellites out of the sky. It is only a matter of time before the next step is taken.

A war may not be far off, but I doubt if we would fire the first shot. The war would come as a result of a Russian Revolution that put an extreme nationalist government in place that would seek to restore old Imperial Russia and its methods, i.e. expanding to take the people's minds off their problems.

 

[Guest]

I think I know what the problem is...

...America has never had an Empire, and they want one.

I suppose it can be a bit belittling when you're surrounded at the Conference Table by nations who you regard as not quite your equals but which have in their past been the heads of mighty empires.

So naturally you should want one as well. That way you can hold your head up high and look everyone else in the eye, instead of constantly defending yourself so hysterically against every minor criticism that's lobbed in your direction.

Well I'm sorry to break it to you but Empire building days are over. The Soviets were the last and now it's distictly non-PC to go out and conquer new lands.

So you may as well pack up MDS, put back into mothballs any thought of a Space Bomber, stop the slide into isolationism and be friends again.

I can tell you America, having an Empire is not all it's cracked up to be. You have to govern people you've never met, have nothing in common with and really couldn't care less about.

The only reason the Brits had their's was because they didn't want the French to have one. This was during the period of the original First World War when the British and the French were battling it out from China, throughout SE ASia, India, in Europe itself and a little place, unknown to most people, the USA. oh, and Canada.

The French nearly won the original World War but they cocked up their strategy in India, letting the Brits in. Otherwise who knows?...

So don't worry about never having been Empire builders the rest of the world doesn't think any less of you for that. It's all in your own mind.

We just wanna be your mates...

 

[p_p_man]

Now it's gone and done...

...what I was complaining about a few weeks ago.

It posted my post as Unregistered.


See what happens when you walk out of International Conferences, even Lit starts falling apart!...

 

[miles]

Unregistered

Thank you for enlightening us with the facts.

What a pantload.

 

[rambling man]

The British Empire was a monument to a great nation. How else could English language, science, government, morality, and anti-slavery spread around the world. It gave groups of people a model to achieve, a model besides slavery, internecine warfare, autocracy. It has been a hard road but most former British colonies are struggling towards freedom, capitalism, and democracy...their only mistake was in seeking freedom too soon from British tutelage.


We did have an empire of conquest, however we brought our empire into our own country as equal states for the most part and statehood is open to the largest of our remaining "colonies" The largest colony we had we spent much more on than any gain we could have ever received.

Most experts call our alliances during the cold war our "voluntary empire" The United States worked out the largest empire based on military alliance against the Soviet threat and economics in world history

Britain's further movement into the EU signifies its voluntary joining of a new Empire also. The multinational EU is the latest manifestation of the Imperial Roman dream of uniting Europe....the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Catholic hegemony, Napoleon, Hitler....for better or worse principles, each tried to dominate and unify Europe and each failed to do so...The EU willby necessity be a German Empire, the 4th Reich, because Germany is so dominant...the British and the French will work against its dominance, as they have other times, and the EU will eventually fail because of the fear of one nation dominating and setting the rules for all of Europe

 

[p_p_man]

We did have an empire of conquest...

The only bit of conquering that America did as far as I know, and this from the film "The Alamo" so it's got to be true, is when you sliced off a bit of Mexico for yourself.

What other conquering has America done?...

Now before misunderstanding leads to misunderstanding, I'm talking about the traditional, knock 'em down, kick 'em in the gooleys and enslave their lands type of conquering.

The trade, negotiating, aid and so on that we're all engaged in at the moment is not REAL conquering.


"Real men don't eat Quiche"

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Unregistered

Thank you for enlightening us with the facts.

What a pantload.

And you, you young scallywag...have you got a better theory?

 

[WriterDom]

Re: Re: Unregistered

And you, you young scallywag...have you got a better theory?

We're a nation of immigrants. We built our own empire and the world came to us.

Give us your tired, your hungry and your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to be free."

I can't think of any area we'd want to conquer. If we took over Saudi Arabia and Iraq the liberals wouldn't let us drill for oil.
Can't mess up that pristine desert.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Unregistered

Give us your tired, your hungry and your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to be free."

Sounds like something from Henry V

"and we'll fill up the breach with our English dead..."

or something like that!

 

[Softly]

Sleep well my friend.

The "Star Wars" missal defence satellites went into production on March 28, 1982.

The manned space plane, that can operate in and out of the atmosphere was already flying.

When the Pentagfon announces a "New" weapons system, it is already obsolete. They do it to rattle the cage of our enemies. If an enemy dose not want us to build it, it means that they have no answer to that technology.

Empire? We are the only power in History to have rebuilt our rival country, gave them a constitution like our own, with all the freedoms, and set them free.

Where ever you are, you will be a free person tomorrow, because you enemy knows that if he attacks you, that then he would have to deal with your huge, tough, brother; the Americans.

As one American fighter squadron's puts it; "Anytime Baby."

 

[registered "^^"]

Hey

big bucks in being a defense contractor............and if worse comes to worse.....run toward the flash!

 

[OUTSIDER]

FUCK ME GENTLY DIDN'T WE JUST HAVE A USA/UK DEBATE LAST WEEK, for the love of god move on people and find another topic.


And will someone stick a fork in this debate I think it's done !

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Sleep well my friend.

Where ever you are, you will be a free person tomorrow, because you enemy knows that if he attacks you, that then he would have to deal with your huge, tough, brother; the Americans.

Bollocks, Bollocks and more Bollocks!

You turned up late for the last two "attacks" after watching us suffer in abject fear for a couple of years and letting thousands of our young men die. So there's no guarantee at all you'll turn up for the next one!

 

[morninggirl5]

FUCK ME GENTLY DIDN'T WE JUST HAVE A USA/UK DEBATE LAST WEEK, for the love of god move on people and find another topic.


And will someone stick a fork in this debate I think it's done !

Outsider, I think this debate has become like some sort of never ending fishing story........


You know the ones, "I swear, it was thiiiiiiissssss big"

 

[p_p_man]

Outsider, I think this debate has become like some sort of never ending fishing story........

You know the ones, "I swear, it was thiiiiiiissssss big"

LOL...You mean like a pissing contest?

But I agree they do go on a bit don't they...

 

[morninggirl5]

No, a pissing contest has no enjoyment for the "loser". Those damn fishing stories go on forever and everybody involved is loving every minute of it. The challenge isn't winning or losing but having a good story.