First Impressions About The Debate

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1. Kamala overperformed her usual, distinct lack of eloquence. It was as if she actually prepared this time, as opposed to her recent, disastrous interview. She was able to raise several points and also throw Trump off balance. She was particularly effective in addressing the abortion rights issue and goading him into repeating his hobby horses, such as his false claim of a stolen election. Sorry, Kari Lake, but for a former journalist, you're just wrong on this one....for the most part.
2. The moderators did clearly favor Harris over Trump, only correcting him and not her, despite her own falsehoods on a number of points.
3. Trump was a bit heated and easily fell into the traps that the Vice President set for him.
4. Trump was effective in raising the points about the cost of living, the incendiary, irresponsible rhetoric, the failures at the border, denying any connection to Project 2025, and stochastic terrorism of the Democrats and their impact on the possible assassination attempt, and the way that he managed to scare the Taliban into leaving American troops alone. It might not be able enough to undo the harm to him from his impulsive reactions to Harris, but it's something.
5. This debate probably won't persuade the hard-core voters of either camp, but it might swing some in the middle.
6. On balance, despite some good moments that Trump had and despite not being as out of control as in the past, he came out of this weaker and she came out of it stronger, much to my surprise. I was expecting the Kamala of various bad interview performances, with word salads, pointless platitudes, evasion on specific points (though she didn't answer the general point of Trump's assertions that most Americans had it rougher nowadays than before), slurred speech, and certainly not the way that she went after him for claiming that climate change was a hoax. She was still vulnerable on Israel and Trump was able to inject real fear that she would cater to the terrorist forces of Hamas and their sponsors. Even so, she gained ground, visibly, and he lost it. It was quite the contrast to the Biden debate, and my impression was that he got overconfident and came in less prepared, whereas her handlers, fearing her unique flaws in this kind of thing, worked overtime. I do feel bad for Tulsi Gabbard, who obviously would have tried her best, but if he's not taking it as seriously as he should, that's on him, not her.
 
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Not gonna lie, despite my strong reservations about a candidate I already knew far too well to trust, she raised some really valid concerns about Trump. The dismissal of climate change, just for instance. I mean, I just lived through Beryl, very recently. I was out of power for five days! That is a legitimate problem and worry, the impact of climate change on natural disasters. The way that he keeps denying the outcome of the 2020 election (though the Dems basically did the same in 2016 in some ways, never this brazenly as he has). The way that he keeps trying to reverse the Affordable Care Act, that's a true worry, no doubt. It doesn't remove the questions that I have for her, but it reinforces my qualms about him.
 
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Did they favor her, or did she simply not lie like he did?
There were falsehoods on her part. On balance, though, she basically won the debate. Whatever one thinks of the moderators, it was a success for her. She is in a stronger position than before.
 
Well - first impressions? The ABC "moderators" were a travesty. That was a 3 on 1 with the corporate media trying to politically assassinate Donald Trump for 90 minutes. Once Trump's won, ABC needs to be barred from the White House. They're not news media. They're a Democratic Party media outlet. And I just read something saying they're concerned about this. As well they should be. They ceased to be "news" a long time ago and this "debate" just confirmed their blatant bias. When even CNN is less biased, you got problems. My guess would also be that they fed Harris the questions beforehand.

Not a single sentient being expected ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis to be impartial in any way given their history of reporting on the candidates, but the partisanship and unequal treatment of the candidates went far beyond any expectations and set a new standard for how not to moderate a debate. Muir and Davis repeatedly fact-checked Trump (with questionable or outright false "facts"); jumped in to help Harris when she was floundering by switching topics or interjecting "gotcha" questions at Trump; bird-dogged Trump to pin him down on a yes-or-no answer while not doing the same to Harris; ignored blatant lies by Harris, and inserted their own opinions and thoughts about Trump's answers.

When Harris made false statements during the debate, they weren't on issues where she could claim she was simply mistaken. Harris:

Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
Not to mention Harris' lies about her own origin story and policies.

Davis and Muir sat silent. When Trump rightly pushed back on Harris when she claimed that Trump would weaponize the government against political opponents, Muir cut him off....to be fair, Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. Summed up, I doubt this debate will change anyone's mind. Even with all the help from ABC, Harris came across as weak and without any real policy positions. Trump handled the bias well, and came out strongly but he rambled a bit too much....

And despite all the bias, the one liner of the night still went to President Trump....LOL
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Well - first impressions? The ABC "moderators" were a travesty. That was a 3 on 1 with the corporate media trying to politically assassinate Donald Trump for 90 minutes. Once Trump's won, ABC needs to be barred from the White House. They're not news media. They're a Democratic Party media outlet. And I just read something saying they're concerned about this. As well they should be. They ceased to be "news" a long time ago and this "debate" just confirmed their blatant bias. When even CNN is less biased, you got problems. My guess would also be that they fed Harris the questions beforehand.

Not a single sentient being expected ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis to be impartial in any way given their history of reporting on the candidates, but the partisanship and unequal treatment of the candidates went far beyond any expectations and set a new standard for how not to moderate a debate. Muir and Davis repeatedly fact-checked Trump (with questionable or outright false "facts"); jumped in to help Harris when she was floundering by switching topics or interjecting "gotcha" questions at Trump; bird-dogged Trump to pin him down on a yes-or-no answer while not doing the same to Harris; ignored blatant lies by Harris, and inserted their own opinions and thoughts about Trump's answers.

When Harris made false statements during the debate, they weren't on issues where she could claim she was simply mistaken. Harris:

Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
Not to mention Harris' lies about her own origin story and policies.

Davis and Muir sat silent. When Trump rightly pushed back on Harris when she claimed that Trump would weaponize the government against political opponents, Muir cut him off....to be fair, Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. Summed up, I doubt this debate will change anyone's mind. Even with all the help from ABC, Harris came across as weak and without any real policy positions. Trump handled the bias well, and came out strongly but he rambled a bit too much....

And despite all the bias, the one liner of the night still went to President Trump....LOL
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Wahhhhhh!
Write me a river.
 
From another thread:

I've seen some clips of it and one thing made me lol, Trump referenced Dick and Jane, something I referenced in another thread about the impending debate.

Kamala sez: See Spot. See Spot run. Run Spot run!

I'm guessing Kamala won and old Roars will start at least two threads of gloat, imagine that, I know he does, and busybody will have his six alts do two to four threads apiece about how Trump cleaned her clock, so the equation will be balanced and The Matrix will continue to slumber on...

Kamala knows what time it is! She cleaned his clock!

while ❧

HE DID DICK AND JANE!!!
 
re: point #5

Will those precious few be in the right swing districts? The small handful of enclaves where the election will be decided.

Reminds me of a short story I once read about the future of polling and they had the science down to the point where only one person was selected to cast a vote.

What pressure it would be to be that guy! or gal!

... or undecided!
 
Trump referenced Dick and Jane, something I referenced in another thread about the impending debate.

Kamala sez: See Spot. See Spot run. Run Spot run!

I'm guessing Kamala won and old Roars will start at least two threads of gloat, imagine that, I know he does, and busybody will have his six alts do two to four threads apiece about how Trump cleaned her clock, so the equation will be balanced and The Matrix will continue to slumber on...

Kamala knows what time it is! She cleaned his clock!

while ❧

HE DID DICK AND JANE!!!

So just to be clear - you want to share credit with trump for repeating the rhymes from a 1st grade book???
 
From the bits and pieces I saw Kamala was prepared with exact talking points. Trump seemed to not to have specific plans on major topics like how to stop the Ukraine war, healthcare. Kamala showed me that is more eloquent than he is on these and other topics.

End the of the night still undecided, but leaning toward the one who has an exact plan. Whether that plan will be successful executed is a different story.

On a funny note the one who blamed fake news was caught talking about fake news.
 
So just to be clear - you want to share credit with trump for repeating the rhymes from a 1st grade book???
AJ traditionally spews out continual non-sequiturs after presidential debates until the RNC does overnight focus group testing on what post-debate spin talking points to use.

The RNC did Trump no favors by trotting out J Dee Vance and Little Marco Rubio out post-debate to normalize dogmeat consumption....

Then Trump himself entered the spin room and the mainstream press went nuts...UNPRECEDENTED!
MISTER PRESIDENT! MISTER PRESIDENT! They jockeyed for position....and Trump basked in the glory of being the center of attention once again....

...for all of 30 seconds when the networks cut away for 'BREAKING NEWS':

Travis Kelce's mouthy girlfriend, the major distraction at this year's Super Bowl. endorsed Kamala Harris!

and all of a sudden, no one seem to care about the grumpy old geezer who had just spent 90 minutes whining about how bad things were in America.
 
AJ traditionally spews out continual non-sequiturs after presidential debates until the RNC does overnight focus group testing on what post-debate spin talking points to use.

The RNC did Trump no favors by trotting out J Dee Vance and Little Marco Rubio out post-debate to normalize dogmeat consumption....

Then Trump himself entered the spin room and the mainstream press went nuts...UNPRECEDENTED!
MISTER PRESIDENT! MISTER PRESIDENT! They jockeyed for position....and Trump basked in the glory of being the center of attention once again....

...for all of 30 seconds when the networks cut away for 'BREAKING NEWS':

Travis Kelce's mouthy girlfriend, the major distraction at this year's Super Bowl. endorsed Kamala Harris!

and all of a sudden, no one seem to care about the grumpy old geezer who had just spent 90 minutes whining about how bad things were in America.
?
 
From the bits and pieces I saw Kamala was prepared with exact talking points. Trump seemed to not to have specific plans on major topics like how to stop the Ukraine war, healthcare. Kamala showed me that is more eloquent than he is on these and other topics.

End the of the night still undecided, but leaning toward the one who has an exact plan. Whether that plan will be successful executed is a different story.

On a funny note the one who blamed fake news was caught talking about fake news.
but but Trump had "the CONCEPT of a health care plan" in his head!

And I'm sure we'll get the details of this CONCEPT....."in two weeks" (which is standard Trump verbiage for "when hell freezes over".

I was surprised and delighted that Trump went after that "terrible terrible Obamacare' once again....and Kamala Harris slipped the dagger in between Trump's ribs, pointing out Trump's Project 2025 Healthcare plan would bring back the Republican favorite 'PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS".
 
Well - first impressions? The ABC "moderators" were a travesty. That was a 3 on 1 with the corporate media trying to politically assassinate Donald Trump for 90 minutes. Once Trump's won, ABC needs to be barred from the White House. They're not news media. They're a Democratic Party media outlet. And I just read something saying they're concerned about this. As well they should be. They ceased to be "news" a long time ago and this "debate" just confirmed their blatant bias. When even CNN is less biased, you got problems. My guess would also be that they fed Harris the questions beforehand.

Not a single sentient being expected ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis to be impartial in any way given their history of reporting on the candidates, but the partisanship and unequal treatment of the candidates went far beyond any expectations and set a new standard for how not to moderate a debate. Muir and Davis repeatedly fact-checked Trump (with questionable or outright false "facts"); jumped in to help Harris when she was floundering by switching topics or interjecting "gotcha" questions at Trump; bird-dogged Trump to pin him down on a yes-or-no answer while not doing the same to Harris; ignored blatant lies by Harris, and inserted their own opinions and thoughts about Trump's answers.

When Harris made false statements during the debate, they weren't on issues where she could claim she was simply mistaken. Harris:

Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
Not to mention Harris' lies about her own origin story and policies.

Davis and Muir sat silent. When Trump rightly pushed back on Harris when she claimed that Trump would weaponize the government against political opponents, Muir cut him off....to be fair, Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. Summed up, I doubt this debate will change anyone's mind. Even with all the help from ABC, Harris came across as weak and without any real policy positions. Trump handled the bias well, and came out strongly but he rambled a bit too much....

And despite all the bias, the one liner of the night still went to President Trump....LOL
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Oh, Chloe! You really should give yourself more credit for what happened last night. I warned you that debasing yourself to the idiots here for likes would come back to bite you but little did I know you would take it further and influence your candidate. See, everyone here knew Vance never fucked a couch but it really, really, really got under your trumper skin. So much so that you, despite being warned that it was not true, spent the better part of your day dropping Haitian pet memes like cat turds. Lol. Those on the left enjoyed watching you weird out over the couch, but none of our politicians would ever dare repeat the lie in public to look like an ass and discredit themselves on national television. Not so trump! Haha! Take a bow, Chloe, for playing your part in possibly tilting the election! So creepy your party!
 
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Well - first impressions? The ABC "moderators" were a travesty. That was a 3 on 1 with the corporate media trying to politically assassinate Donald Trump for 90 minutes. Once Trump's won, ABC needs to be barred from the White House. They're not news media. They're a Democratic Party media outlet. And I just read something saying they're concerned about this. As well they should be. They ceased to be "news" a long time ago and this "debate" just confirmed their blatant bias. When even CNN is less biased, you got problems. My guess would also be that they fed Harris the questions beforehand.

Not a single sentient being expected ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis to be impartial in any way given their history of reporting on the candidates, but the partisanship and unequal treatment of the candidates went far beyond any expectations and set a new standard for how not to moderate a debate. Muir and Davis repeatedly fact-checked Trump (with questionable or outright false "facts"); jumped in to help Harris when she was floundering by switching topics or interjecting "gotcha" questions at Trump; bird-dogged Trump to pin him down on a yes-or-no answer while not doing the same to Harris; ignored blatant lies by Harris, and inserted their own opinions and thoughts about Trump's answers.

When Harris made false statements during the debate, they weren't on issues where she could claim she was simply mistaken. Harris:

Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
Not to mention Harris' lies about her own origin story and policies.

Davis and Muir sat silent. When Trump rightly pushed back on Harris when she claimed that Trump would weaponize the government against political opponents, Muir cut him off....to be fair, Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. Summed up, I doubt this debate will change anyone's mind. Even with all the help from ABC, Harris came across as weak and without any real policy positions. Trump handled the bias well, and came out strongly but he rambled a bit too much....

And despite all the bias, the one liner of the night still went to President Trump....LOL
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Lol, so many excuses.
 
but but Trump had "the CONCEPT of a health care plan" in his head!

And I'm sure we'll get the details of this CONCEPT....."in two weeks" (which is standard Trump verbiage for "when hell freezes over".
I’d have pissed my drawers had he said repeal and replace! 😂
 
Well - first impressions? The ABC "moderators" were a travesty. That was a 3 on 1 with the corporate media trying to politically assassinate Donald Trump for 90 minutes. Once Trump's won, ABC needs to be barred from the White House. They're not news media. They're a Democratic Party media outlet. And I just read something saying they're concerned about this. As well they should be. They ceased to be "news" a long time ago and this "debate" just confirmed their blatant bias. When even CNN is less biased, you got problems. My guess would also be that they fed Harris the questions beforehand.

Not a single sentient being expected ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis to be impartial in any way given their history of reporting on the candidates, but the partisanship and unequal treatment of the candidates went far beyond any expectations and set a new standard for how not to moderate a debate. Muir and Davis repeatedly fact-checked Trump (with questionable or outright false "facts"); jumped in to help Harris when she was floundering by switching topics or interjecting "gotcha" questions at Trump; bird-dogged Trump to pin him down on a yes-or-no answer while not doing the same to Harris; ignored blatant lies by Harris, and inserted their own opinions and thoughts about Trump's answers.

When Harris made false statements during the debate, they weren't on issues where she could claim she was simply mistaken. Harris:

Repeated the "bloodbath" lie,
Claimed that couples are currently being denied IVF treatment due to "Trump Abortion Ban" laws,
Said Trump would sign a national abortion ban,
Claimed that Project 2025 is Donald Trump's plan,
Repeated the "fine people on both sides" lie,
Lied about the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
Said Trump would "terminate" the Constitution if he's re-elected,
Talked out of both sides of her mouth about the Afghanistan withdrawal and whose plan it was,
Asserted that 140 police officers were hurt by violent rallygoers on January 6, 2021,
Not to mention Harris' lies about her own origin story and policies.

Davis and Muir sat silent. When Trump rightly pushed back on Harris when she claimed that Trump would weaponize the government against political opponents, Muir cut him off....to be fair, Kamala was weak and nervous, especially early. She came off as phony and rehearsed the rest of the way. But Trump missed a lot of opportunities to land a blow, rambled too much, and took the bait repeatedly throughout. Summed up, I doubt this debate will change anyone's mind. Even with all the help from ABC, Harris came across as weak and without any real policy positions. Trump handled the bias well, and came out strongly but he rambled a bit too much....

And despite all the bias, the one liner of the night still went to President Trump....LOL
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You voiced my sentiments exactly!!! You pointed out her lies, how dishonest the moderators behaved, fact checking only Trump. Well written but don't expect objectivity by the looney toons, they're consumed by their own bile.
 
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