Fighting….is Foreplay...

[amicus]

Although I understand the meaning of course but, it is isn’t for me….ah, let me correct that, it ‘wasn’t’ for me when I was participating in the game of courtship.

I refuse to argue with a female. Perhaps I learned that the hard way, as the chances of winning an argument with a woman are slim and none, so I just withdrew from the confrontation.

However, since almost every couple I ever knew, ‘fought’ and had the fun of ‘making up’, I am forced to consider the general validity of, “Fighting is Foreplay”

The saying was expressed during the latter part of the film, “The Cutting Edge”, another delightful story about two people, an Ice Hockey skater and a champion figure skater.

Another, ‘however’…since knowledge of this oft practiced phenomenon might add a depth or a dimension to my attempts to create characters,, I thought perhaps the many intuitive writers here on the forum might clarify the issue for me.


The always curious Amicus…

 

[cloudy]

I refuse to argue with a female. Perhaps I learned that the hard way, as the chances of winning an argument with a woman are slim and none, so I just withdrew from the confrontation.

That's because we're smarter.

 

[Recidiva]

I don't enjoy actually fighting. I enjoy sparring. Sparring with an agile partner is the best.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

The feminine loves drama... she'll push and pull and test you as much as she can, just to see what will happen. Will you collapse or not? If you don't collapse, she trusts you more... she knows you can stand in her storm. She's like the weather... you can't win against the weather, you're right. You can just enjoy it, rain or shine... it is what it is.

I loved Cutting Edge. Moira Kelly, one of my favs...

 

[amicus]

The feminine loves drama... she'll push and pull and test you as much as she can, just to see what will happen. Will you collapse or not? If you don't collapse, she trusts you more... she knows you can stand in her storm. She's like the weather... you can't win against the weather, you're right. You can just enjoy it, rain or shine... it is what it is.

I loved Cutting Edge. Moira Kelly, one of my favs...

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She did a wonderful job in that part...the name also, the only other 'Moira' can recall was a character played by Ava Gardner in....damn. my mind went blank, from the Nevil Shute novel...ah, yes, "On the Beach".

Thank you.


Amicus...

 

[amicus]

That's because we're smarter.

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I have never disputed that...in addition, Intelligence Quotient comparisons and averages grant the ladies a few percentile over men and they do make up about 51 percent of this society, thus a majority, so they must rule?

Ah, but then, you don't accept statistics and generalities, or absolute facts of any kind then, now do you?

Amicus...

 

[CeriseNoire]

Hm, fighting, not always, tough it does seem outburst of passion in various forms can make for intense foreplay. All-out fighting doesn't do it for me though; if I'm upset enough to fight, sex is far from my mind. Heated discussion and playful banter on the other hand, can definitely whet my appetite.

 

[cloudy]

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I have never disputed that...in addition, Intelligence Quotient comparisons and averages grant the ladies a few percentile over men and they do make up about 51 percent of this society, thus a majority, so they must rule?

Ah, but then, you don't accept statistics and generalities, or absolute facts of any kind then, now do you?

Amicus...

Of course I do, if the facts are presented with some sort of evidence other than "because I say so."

 

[galaxygoddess]

Lol, I've written a story (I need to find and submit) about a couple who HATE each other, and they're both martial artists, well during a particularly nasty match, they wind up errr well you know


Honestly, it depends on what KIND of fighting, sometimes it just kills the "passion". *shrugs


more later I'm in the middle of something

 

[CharleyH]

Of course I do, if the facts are presented with some sort of evidence other than "because I say so."

Well, here's a theory.

 

[cloudy]

Well, here's a theory.

from you, it works.

 

[Lee Chambers]

I refuse to argue with a female. Perhaps I learned that the hard way, as the chances of winning an argument with a woman are slim and none, so I just withdrew from the confrontation.

I'll argue with a woman until the end of days. Because I can. Because it's fun.

 

[amicus]

I'll argue with a woman until the end of days. Because I can. Because it's fun.

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'fun?' I can't even conceive of that.

amicus

 

[S-Des]

The feminine loves drama... she'll push and pull and test you as much as she can, just to see what will happen. Will you collapse or not? If you don't collapse, she trusts you more... she knows you can stand in her storm. She's like the weather... you can't win against the weather, you're right. You can just enjoy it, rain or shine... it is what it is.

That's about as good a description of the feminine perspective as I've ever heard. Unfortunately, much of understanding this banter is involved in how you communicate during the teenage years (when I was sorely lacking in respect from the fairer sex). It's led to years of frustration with trying to deal (until quite recently, that is).

I loved Cutting Edge. Moira Kelly, one of my favs...

Good Lord she's gorgeous. Cutting Edge, Chaplin, Daybreak, & Twin Peaks . . . *drool* Her and Mia Sara just drive me insane.

 

[Seattle Zack]

Another, ‘however’…since knowledge of this oft practiced phenomenon might add a depth or a dimension to my attempts to create characters,, I thought perhaps the many intuitive writers here on the forum might clarify the issue for me.


The always curious Amicus…

Complex adjectives are generally hyphenated, unless it's an adverb modifying a noun, as I'm sure you know (i.e. oft-practiced is preferred over highly-regarded)

The double comma though, that's a new one on me. I missed that in the AP Style Guide.

 

[amicus]

Complex adjectives are generally hyphented, unless it's an adverb modifying a noun, as I'm sure you know (i.e. oft-practiced is preferred over highly-regarded)

The double comma though, that's a new one on me. I missed that in the AP Style Guide.

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Chuckles, I suppose in the absence of comprehension and commentary on the subject you are left to criticize the color of my socks.

So be it.(The double comma was a typo, left for you to muse on, the other, I consider discretionary and stylistic)

amicus

 

[colddiesel]

Arguing, mickey taking, teasing etc. of and by women is fine but when the women respond, far too many men lose the plot, often in defence of fragile egos. The arguments tend to break down into put downs and abuse. The problem is that for identical behavior men and women are, even in these relatively enlightened times treated quite differently. For example the man who has two or more girlfriends is 'a bit of a lad' and is frequently admired for it, whereas a woman behaving identically is a 'slut or whore'.

Because of that damaging double standard a reasonably civilised man should generally be prepared to back off because giving as good as one gets is in fact far more damaging to a woman (and/or her reputation) than it is to the male.

But in Ami's case I am quite prepared to believe he concedes to the women because he's scared of them.

 

[amicus]

Arguing, mickey taking, teasing etc. of and by women is fine but when the women respond, far too many men lose the plot, often in defence of fragile egos. The arguments tend to break down into put downs and abuse. The problem is that for identical behavior men and women are, even in these relatively enlightened times treated quite differently. For example the man who has two or more girlfriends is 'a bit of a lad' and is frequently admired for it, whereas a woman behaving identically is a 'slut or whore'.

Because of that damaging double standard a reasonably civilised man should generally be prepared to back off because giving as good as one gets is in fact far more damaging to a woman (and/or her reputation) than it is to the male.

But in Ami's case I am quite prepared to believe he concedes to the women because he's scared of them.

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Hells bells and welcome to the forum, Colddiesel, "in Ami's case..." ya wanna pick a fight right off the bat...okay...works for me....

Double standards about promiscuity have nothing to do with this thread; start ur own.

"The Cutting Edge", was basically an old fashioned love story, where the main characters were attracted and drawn to each other immediately but, because of many differences, refused to acknowledge that attraction and 'fought' each other continuously until a workable solution was discovered.

In this film, the characters had equitable talents but came from a different culture and a different class structure, grounds for conflict.

The actual line was spoken, 'fighting is foreplay', which can mean many things, many, many things, as someone suggested, a testing of the waters, of the strength, patience, ability of the male to confront the challenges of the female; could be many, many more aspects involved.

Or perhaps you don't get any of it and just wanna tussle...thas okay too...but I warn you...be prepared to receive that you give.

amicus...

 

[colddiesel]

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Or perhaps you don't get any of it and just wanna tussle...thas okay too...but I warn you...be prepared to receive that you give.

amicus...

Now that seems the reaction of a slightly oversensitive ego to a pretty mild comment!! - lighten up a bit!

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=colddiesel]Now that seems the reaction of a slightly oversensitive ego to a pretty mild comment!! - lighten up a bit![/QUOTE]




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"...But in Ami's case I am quite prepared to believe he concedes to the women because he's scared of them...."

You consider a personal attack against my masculinity as a 'pretty mild comment?"

You ignored, Ior did not understand the subject, hijacked the intent and attacked the personality of the threadstarter and that is a 'mild comment?"

Perhaps an apology and an admission of your ignorance would put us back to square one?

I am not 'over sensitive' but when slapped in the face, I do not turn my cheek.


Amicus

 

[amicus]

I may as well add something else here, as it came to mind...the writing of dialog and character composition in "The Cutting Edge" was superb; it reminded me of the sharpness of some lines in the now defunct, "West Wing", clever, witty, 'cutting edge' humor as well.

I enjoy a good film, book, script, that functions on several levels of comprehension simultaneously without demeaning any lesser understanding.

In other words, you can be smart or dumb and enjoy this film and that goes without mentioning the musical score or visual effects, which are also very well done.

An appreciative Amicus...

Edited to add: (PS, it is a really fun film to watch if only from the aspect of the sexual tension that builds as the story goes on.)