Fictional Artists

[Palba_Noruda]

I'm still stuck on this topic. Can you think of fictional artists that you enjoyed? Ones that you hated?

For instance:

I enjoy Chris Stevens, the DJ and sculptor from the tv show Northern Exposure.

And I like Astrid from White Oleander, who, at the end of the story, makes suit case art. (Her mom was a poet who was in jail, I can't remember why.)

I like Chalie Kaufman from the movie Orchid Thief.

And the character of Shakespeare in Shakespeare in Love. (stories about real artists are acceptable, too. Also, the character Pablo Noruda in Il Postino.

And Doogie Howser. (He's a journalist, I guess)

Allison in the movie Yes Man with Jim Carrey (she's a photographer and musician)

Also, I disliked the character of Megan in the movie Lying.

I liked that one Colonel in MASH the tv show who was always painting. Was he in the movie version, also?

I don't particularly care for the Character of Charles Bukowski or Henry Chinaski from any of his books.

So do you have any loved or hated fictional artists?

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

Shakespeare in Love was actually very cool. I didn't think I'd like it, but it's a cute movie.

Little Women with Winona Rider... love it. It's like chicken soup and a warm blankie.

One that I didn't like is the artist in New York Stories by Woody Allen. The character is cliche.

Ones I like- any of them in porn when the art medium is included in the sex. Okay, as an artist- that's just hot. lol I plan on writing a story like that soon based on the baby boys who offered to pose for me during my life drawing class last semester.

 

[Tzara]

I'm still stuck on this topic. Can you think of fictional artists that you enjoyed? Ones that you hated?

For instance:

I enjoy Chris Stevens, the DJ and sculptor from the tv show Northern Exposure.

And I like Astrid from White Oleander, who, at the end of the story, makes suit case art. (Her mom was a poet who was in jail, I can't remember why.)

I like Chalie Kaufman from the movie Orchid Thief.

And the character of Shakespeare in Shakespeare in Love. (stories about real artists are acceptable, too. Also, the character Pablo Noruda in Il Postino.

And Doogie Howser. (He's a journalist, I guess)

Allison in the movie Yes Man with Jim Carrey (she's a photographer and musician)

Also, I disliked the character of Megan in the movie Lying.

I liked that one Colonel in MASH the tv show who was always painting. Was he in the movie version, also?

I don't particularly care for the Character of Charles Bukowski or Henry Chinaski from any of his books.

So do you have any loved or hated fictional artists?

I think this is kind of an odd question, but here's some fictional artists I've found interesting:

• Gustav von Aschenbach (writer) in Death in Venice is one, probably the primary one. Fabulous book, which I've read many times, and a wonderful Visconti film and superior Britten opera as well.
  
  So, duh.
  .
• Fabian Vas, in Howard Norman's The Bird Artist, which is an absolutely wonderful book. The character is a bird (wildlife) artist.
  
  Super book. Not about art, though. Mostly.
  
  Ha.
  .
• Thomas, the photographer and principal of Blow-Up. Guy lives the ideal 60s life. Weird shit occurs. Things change. Or not.
  
  Antonioni's most popular movie.
  
  I know. I'm showing my age.

First take. No DJs, though, sorry.

 

[WickedEve]

And the character of Shakespeare in Shakespeare in Love. (stories about real artists are acceptable, too. Also, the character Pablo Noruda in Il Postino. [/B]

In the movie Quills, I loved Geoffrey Rush as The Marquis de Sade. I can almost understand what de Sade went through to write and publish while in prison. I guess we all have those moments when he just have to create no matter what.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

I think this is kind of an odd question, but here's some fictional artists I've found interesting:

• Gustav von Aschenbach (writer) in Death in Venice is one, probably the primary one. Fabulous book, which I've read many times, and a wonderful Visconti film and superior Britten opera as well.
  
  So, duh.
  .
• Fabian Vas, in Howard Norman's The Bird Artist, which is an absolutely wonderful book. The character is a bird (wildlife) artist.
  
  Super book. Not about art, though. Mostly.
  
  Ha.
  .
• Thomas, the photographer and principal of Blow-Up. Guy lives the ideal 60s life. Weird shit occurs. Things change. Or not.
  
  Antonioni's most popular movie.
  
  I know. I'm showing my age.

First take. No DJs, though, sorry.

Well, I guess I'm showing my age even more. Blow-up immediately came to mind. I remembered director's name, but not the character's (nor the actor who played him).
A while back we used to play 'Trivial Pursuit'. I was pretty good, except on the pink questions.

 

[Tzara]

Well, I guess I'm showing my age even more. Blow-up immediately came to mind. I remembered director's name, but not the character's (nor the actor who played him).
A while back we used to play 'Trivial Pursuit'. I was pretty good, except on the pink questions.

I don't think you're older than me. Don't think you are.

You might be, though.

Oh. The guy was David Hemmings. He died several years ago. Good actor, usually.

Y'know, you sometimes make me think about a movie (actually, I think this was a miniseries) like 10.5.

Did you watch it? It was a few years ago (2004). Just curious.

It was really, really awful. Scary awful.

Which, oddly, for me means fun.

Happy New Year.

Or whatever.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

I don't think you're older than me. Don't think you are.

You might be, though.

Oh. The guy was David Hemmings. He died several years ago. Good actor, usually.

Y'know, you sometimes make me think about a movie (actually, I think this was a miniseries) like 10.5.

Did you watch it? It was a few years ago (2004). Just curious.

It was really, really awful. Scary awful.

Which, oddly, for me means fun.

Happy New Year.

Or whatever.

I'm just a few months younger than UnderYourSpell, I believe.
Actually think my brain remains in good shape. Too many cigarettes and too little exercise for the body. My memory has always been more, perhaps, experiential, than literal. Probably not the right terms, but perhaps my switch from chemistry to physics in college explains it better. In Chemistry one has to memorize a lot of chemical formulas, while in Physics there are just a few equations you need to know, along with how to work them. (Not sure that would explain my oscillation between Physics and English for much of my undergrad time). Anyway, that's how I believe I'm bad with names, but OK with information I can impart with some meaining.

I heard about 10.5, but never saw it.

Happy New Year.

 

[Palba_Noruda]

Shakespeare in Love was actually very cool. I didn't think I'd like it, but it's a cute movie.

Little Women with Winona Rider... love it. It's like chicken soup and a warm blankie.

One that I didn't like is the artist in New York Stories by Woody Allen. The character is cliche.

Ones I like- any of them in porn when the art medium is included in the sex. Okay, as an artist- that's just hot. lol I plan on writing a story like that soon based on the baby boys who offered to pose for me during my life drawing class last semester.

LadynStFreknBed, do you have an example of this kind of porn? i'd be interested in checking that out!

I think this is kind of an odd question, but here's some fictional artists I've found interesting:

• Gustav von Aschenbach (writer) in Death in Venice is one, probably the primary one. Fabulous book, which I've read many times, and a wonderful Visconti film and superior Britten opera as well.
  
  So, duh.
  .
• Fabian Vas, in Howard Norman's The Bird Artist, which is an absolutely wonderful book. The character is a bird (wildlife) artist.
  
  Super book. Not about art, though. Mostly.
  
  Ha.
  .
• Thomas, the photographer and principal of Blow-Up. Guy lives the ideal 60s life. Weird shit occurs. Things change. Or not.
  
  Antonioni's most popular movie.
  
  I know. I'm showing my age.

First take. No DJs, though, sorry.

In the movie Quills, I loved Geoffrey Rush as The Marquis de Sade. I can almost understand what de Sade went through to write and publish while in prison. I guess we all have those moments when he just have to create no matter what.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere...

Speaking of Woody Allen, I did enjoy the portrayal of artists by Javier Barden and Penelope Cruz. And Barden's character's father was a poet in the film.


Wes Anderson creates a couple of funny playwright characters in Rushmore and in Royal Tenanbaums... I like the way the character Max Fisher rolls his day to day interactions into a play for his friends...

Others?

 

[bflagsst]

My favorite fictional artist might be Ossian, the Son of Fingal. I really enjoy the whole storyline Macpherson created.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I'm just a few months younger than UnderYourSpell, I believe.
Actually think my brain remains in good shape. Too many cigarettes and too little exercise for the body. My memory has always been more, perhaps, experiential, than literal. Probably not the right terms, but perhaps my switch from chemistry to physics in college explains it better. In Chemistry one has to memorize a lot of chemical formulas, while in Physics there are just a few equations you need to know, along with how to work them. (Not sure that would explain my oscillation between Physics and English for much of my undergrad time). Anyway, that's how I believe I'm bad with names, but OK with information I can impart with some meaining.

I heard about 10.5, but never saw it.

Happy New Year.

Caaaaaaaaareful with the mutterings about my age lol

 

[al_Ussa]

Going more for the pop culture and modern mythology angle here but...

Anyone ever heard of Henri Beauchamp?

On a related note but infinitely more literary note I'm going to include Mr. Richard Upton Pickman because that story scared me.

I'd also like to see the King in Yellow performed some time

 

[Palba_Noruda]

My favorite fictional artist might be Ossian, the Son of Fingal. I really enjoy the whole storyline Macpherson created.

Never heard of the Macpherson but this Ossian business surely sounds interesting.
What kind of art did he do in the story?

Going more for the pop culture and modern mythology angle here but...

Anyone ever heard of Henri Beauchamp?

On a related note but infinitely more literary note I'm going to include Mr. Richard Upton Pickman because that story scared me.

I'd also like to see the King in Yellow performed some time

Compared to everyone else, I tend to be listing more pop references to fictional characters... It works for me

I've been working on listing all the fictional artist stories I can think of, for my purposes, it doesn't really matter to me if they're from sitcoms or from something that is closer to "fine art"...

Those links you gave look cool, thanks...

 

[bflagsst]

Ossian was one of the major Gaelic poets the Scots pseudo-intellectual James Macpherson re-discovered. Macpherson even had examples of the original text, very sound at first glance, turns out he faked all his translations. The book's usually just called "The Poems of Ossian" and tells the fragmented story of different ancient battles and peoples, like Lord of the Rings, just a long time before LOTR.

 

[al_Ussa]

Ossian was one of the major Gaelic poets the Scots pseudo-intellectual James Macpherson re-discovered. Macpherson even had examples of the original text, very sound at first glance, turns out he faked all his translations. The book's usually just called "The Poems of Ossian" and tells the fragmented story of different ancient battles and peoples, like Lord of the Rings, just a long time before LOTR.

Worth noting, Macpherson lived in the Romantic Era, in which nationalism, ancient heritage and nature worship were much vaunted by artists and intellectuals. It was the beginning of the obsession with all things Celtic in Britain, and was mirrored by similar "reconstructionists" and hoaxes in other parts of Europe...

Notably in the 19th century you wound up with the Russian Book of Veles and the Oera Linda manuscript, which claimed that all Euorpean civilization went back to the Frisians and their lost homeland of "Atland" (allegedly the model for Atlantis). Good stuff, good stuff.

Leland's Aradia and Gerald Gardner are a little more noteworthy for their role in creating and spreading the Wiccan religion. Of all those Romantic (and post-Romantic) mythologies, it had the deepest influence by far.

 

[bflagsst]

Worth noting, Macpherson lived in the Romantic Era, in which nationalism, ancient heritage and nature worship were much vaunted by artists and intellectuals. It was the beginning of the obsession with all things Celtic in Britain, and was mirrored by similar "reconstructionists" and hoaxes in other parts of Europe...

Notably in the 19th century you wound up with the Russian Book of Veles and the Oera Linda manuscript, which claimed that all Euorpean civilization went back to the Frisians and their lost homeland of "Atland" (allegedly the model for Atlantis). Good stuff, good stuff.

Leland's Aradia and Gerald Gardner are a little more noteworthy for their role in creating and spreading the Wiccan religion. Of all those Romantic (and post-Romantic) mythologies, it had the deepest influence by far.

You are correct in mentioning the Wiccan reconstruction, it's been as successful and creative a re-creation of the past as it gets. Though, I'd put the birth of the Mormon Religion and Birth of Scientology as more widespread and influential of the religious reconstructions and re-creations. Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard were very creative people, though I wouldn't quite say they were fictional artists, just artists in high fiction. Maybe the angel Moroni of the Mormons can be considered an artist, since I think he was the one who originally wrote the book of Mormon that Joseph Smith deemed to translate into English with the Magic Seeing Stones/Spectacles?

Even though everyone considers Wagner a dealer of fiction, an artist, he probably did more for Nationalism and ethno identity than any other artist in history. The Nazi's don't really come up with anything new, just recycle Wagner and Nietzsche(who himself was a recycler of Wagnerian Ideal) So, I guess I'm sticking with Ossian and maybe the Angel Moroni for my favorite fictional artists.

Strike that, Thomas Chatterton's Rowley is a much better artist in English than Ossian or Moroni.

 

[Palba_Noruda]

Worth noting, Macpherson lived in the Romantic Era, in which nationalism, ancient heritage and nature worship were much vaunted by artists and intellectuals. It was the beginning of the obsession with all things Celtic in Britain, and was mirrored by similar "reconstructionists" and hoaxes in other parts of Europe...

Notably in the 19th century you wound up with the Russian Book of Veles and the Oera Linda manuscript, which claimed that all Euorpean civilization went back to the Frisians and their lost homeland of "Atland" (allegedly the model for Atlantis). Good stuff, good stuff.

Leland's Aradia and Gerald Gardner are a little more noteworthy for their role in creating and spreading the Wiccan religion. Of all those Romantic (and post-Romantic) mythologies, it had the deepest influence by far.

You are correct in mentioning the Wiccan reconstruction, it's been as successful and creative a re-creation of the past as it gets. Though, I'd put the birth of the Mormon Religion and Birth of Scientology as more widespread and influential of the religious reconstructions and re-creations. Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard were very creative people, though I wouldn't quite say they were fictional artists, just artists in high fiction. Maybe the angel Moroni of the Mormons can be considered an artist, since I think he was the one who originally wrote the book of Mormon that Joseph Smith deemed to translate into English with the Magic Seeing Stones/Spectacles?

Even though everyone considers Wagner a dealer of fiction, an artist, he probably did more for Nationalism and ethno identity than any other artist in history. The Nazi's don't really come up with anything new, just recycle Wagner and Nietzsche(who himself was a recycler of Wagnerian Ideal) So, I guess I'm sticking with Ossian and maybe the Angel Moroni for my favorite fictional artists.

Strike that, Thomas Chatterton's Rowley is a much better artist in English than Ossian or Moroni.

Jeepers, I do like the turn this conversation has taken.
Yes, L. Ron Hubbard's fiction work turning into a very real religion...
I wonder how that compares to what Chris Stevens' sculpture did in real life...
Or how that compares to a painting created only in a novel... http://www.amazon.com/Bridges-Madison-County-Robert-Waller/dp/0446364495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263235928&sr=1-1

 

[Palba_Noruda]

The writer in the movie Stranger Than Fiction

James Stuart's character and Ruth Hussey's characters in The Philadelphia Story.

The writer in the movie Synecdoche NY

Darlene Connor and her boyfriend in the show Roseanne.

 

[Palba_Noruda]

I think this is kind of an odd question, but here's some fictional artists I've found interesting:

• Gustav von Aschenbach (writer) in Death in Venice is one, probably the primary one. Fabulous book, which I've read many times, and a wonderful Visconti film and superior Britten opera as well.
  
  So, duh.
  .
• Fabian Vas, in Howard Norman's The Bird Artist, which is an absolutely wonderful book. The character is a bird (wildlife) artist.
  
  Super book. Not about art, though. Mostly.
  
  Ha.
  .
• Thomas, the photographer and principal of Blow-Up. Guy lives the ideal 60s life. Weird shit occurs. Things change. Or not.
  
  Antonioni's most popular movie.
  
  I know. I'm showing my age.

First take. No DJs, though, sorry.

I don't think a DJ would be my FAVORITE, though the Chris character does help set the mood for the town through his words, his reading, his interviews, the music he selects... It's a tiny, isolated village in Alaska, there's no other incoming media, imagine if everybody woke to Chris in the morning on their clock radios day after day after day... His show would be like the last dream of the night before you woke up... I think that makes for an interesting entry into the "what are the purposes/narratives of art" conversation that I'm trying to get into here

In the movie Quills, I loved Geoffrey Rush as The Marquis de Sade. I can almost understand what de Sade went through to write and publish while in prison. I guess we all have those moments when he just have to create no matter what.

Yeah... I wonder if people think of even simple conversation or storytelling to be that kind of compulsory creation? I do

If that's the case, why do some people do art and others don't? Is it that some artists can't quite get everything out as easily as other people can?

 

[Palba_Noruda]

James Spader's character in Sex, Lies and Videotape.

Nathan Zuckerman in Philip Roth's novels.

 

[Palba_Noruda]

Garp in The World According to Garp I believe was a writer. Also the main character in Straight Man by Richard Russo...

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Garp in The World According to Garp I believe was a writer. Also the main character in Straight Man by Richard Russo...

Jenny, Garp's mother, was also a writer and pretty memorable as played by Glen Close.

edited to add any of Tracy Chevalier's books

 

[Angeline]

Jenny, Garp's mother, was also a writer and pretty memorable as played by Glen Close.

edited to add any of Tracy Chevalier's books

I John Irving. Lots. He reminds me so much of Dickens.

I will pick Annie Hall because I think she was a photographer and a singer, too. Listening to her sing Seems Like Old Times makes me all melty like.

 

[jnibroc88]

Science fiction writer Kilgore Trout? Created by Kurt Vonnegut.
Not sure what you were looking for.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

I John Irving. Lots. He reminds me so much of Dickens.

I love his books too but just couldn't get through "Until I Find You" - I gave it a good try, several actually, but never finished it.

 

[Palba_Noruda]

Jenny, Garp's mother, was also a writer and pretty memorable as played by Glen Close.

edited to add any of Tracy Chevalier's books

LOL oops... how like a man of me to forget Jenny... sheesh...

I John Irving. Lots. He reminds me so much of Dickens.

I will pick Annie Hall because I think she was a photographer and a singer, too. Listening to her sing Seems Like Old Times makes me all melty like.

Oh Annie Hall is a good one... Thanks...

Science fiction writer Kilgore Trout? Created by Kurt Vonnegut.
Not sure what you were looking for.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for... Thanks!

Hmmm my addition for the day... Angela Lansbury in Murder She Wrote... LOL