Feminism is apparently not about choice.

[LJ_Reloaded]

https://theconversation.com/no-feminism-is-not-about-choice-40896

In the book, which I co-edited, 20 of us take on different topics that have become part of the “choice feminism” landscape: from pornography and prostitution, to female genital mutilation, from women’s magazines and marriage, to sexual violence. While coming from a range of different perspectives, we all critique the notion that “choice” should be the ultimate arbiter of women’s freedom.

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Instead of resistance, we now have activities that were once held up as archetypes of women’s subordinate status being presented as liberating personal choices. Sexual harassment has been reframed as harmless banter that women can enjoy. Marriage is reconstructed as a pro-feminist love-in.

Labiaplasty is seen as helpful cosmetic enhancement. Pornography is rebranded as sexual emancipation. Objectification is the new empowerment.

IOW, women must exchange the so-called 'male dominant power structure' in favor of a feminist dictatorship.

Freedom is slavery

and all that.

 

[nerfhearder]

Women really aren't all that scary. You should try getting to know a couple so you can learn that they aren't bad at all. In fact you might find out you like them a lot. Or maybe you don't lean that way. Beginning to think you don't.

 

[Aella_]

I felt that the reporter had a great idea in mind, but that he failed to convey it clearly and that the article was a bit dizorganized. Also, some of the ideas - I agreed with others - no.
Nevertheless: awesome for a debate regarding not only feminism, but other ideologies too:


1."It doesn’t demand significant social change, and it effectively undermines calls for collective action."
- It points to the issue of "choice feminism". A bit unclear to me, tho.
- But the second point that they tried to argue, by using this phrase, was more clear to me:
the difference between the way in which feminism ideology was originally conceived (constructive, advocating for the the rights of oppressed women) and some of the forms that it has taken now (focused on misandry and witchhunting, much less on actually helping women -I'm referring to the feminazis and not to the moderate feminists, of course-).

2."The importance of a structural-level analysis has been almost completely lost in popular understandings of feminism.
when women criticise particular industries, institutions and social constructions, they are often met with accusations of attacking the women who participate in them.
By way of comparison, it would seem quite ludicrous to suggest that by critiquing capitalism a Marxist was attacking wage labourers."

- True. (again : need to disregard the unhelpful generalization first, tho)
Applied to other things too: ie I was similarly attacked here, in GB, for criticizing some aspects of Islam -it's view on women-, and accused of being "a racist" or "a muslim-hater".

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"CHOICE FEMINISM"

3."people are quick to reframe the issue as one of women’s empowerment and right to choose. This provides a neat diversion from talking about the larger power structures and social norms that restrict women, in many different ways, all around the world."
-Still not entirely clear. Any more links or clarifications?

4."This liberal brand of “choice feminism” was then followed to its logical, if absurd, conclusion.
Even Playboy has recently decided to weigh in on the finer points of feminist theory, and have come out in favour of a woman’s right to be subjected to the pornographic gaze. Which, conveniently, fits in very nicely with their own business plan, of course."

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Women really aren't all that scary. You should try getting to know a couple so you can learn that they aren't bad at all. In fact you might find out you like them a lot. Or maybe you don't lean that way. Beginning to think you don't.

You feminists fear men. Or in your case, it's a case of self-hate.

The world would be better without your kind.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I felt that the reporter had a great idea in mind, but that he failed to convey it clearly and that the article was a bit dizorganized. Also, some of the ideas - I agreed with others - no.
Nevertheless: awesome for a debate regarding not only feminism, but other ideologies too:


1."It doesn’t demand significant social change, and it effectively undermines calls for collective action."
- It points to the issue of "choice feminism". A bit unclear to me, tho.
- But the second point that they tried to argue, by using this phrase, was more clear to me:
the difference between the way in which feminism ideology was originally conceived (constructive, advocating for the the rights of oppressed women) and some of the forms that it has taken now (focused on misandry and witchhunting, much less on actually helping women -I'm referring to the feminazis and not to the moderate feminists, of course-).

The way it appears to me is they've twisted 'collective action' into hivemind dynamics.

2."The importance of a structural-level analysis has been almost completely lost in popular understandings of feminism.
when women criticise particular industries, institutions and social constructions, they are often met with accusations of attacking the women who participate in them.
By way of comparison, it would seem quite ludicrous to suggest that by critiquing capitalism a Marxist was attacking wage labourers."

There is some validity in that point. However...

"CHOICE FEMINISM"

3."people are quick to reframe the issue as one of women’s empowerment and right to choose. This provides a neat diversion from talking about the larger power structures and social norms that restrict women, in many different ways, all around the world."
-Still not entirely clear. Any more links or clarifications?

4."This liberal brand of “choice feminism” was then followed to its logical, if absurd, conclusion.
Even Playboy has recently decided to weigh in on the finer points of feminist theory, and have come out in favour of a woman’s right to be subjected to the pornographic gaze. Which, conveniently, fits in very nicely with their own business plan, of course."

It seems like these people want to herd women into a kind of groupthink. If you're not part of the hivemind then you're hurting womankind. The last 2 paragraphs should be sufficient to lay that message pretty bare: it's not women making choices, it's women being coerced; and posing for Playboy is not an expression of a woman's agency, it's betraying the Order.