Feedback on new policy announcement.

[jaF0]

"A few years into our experiment with the "no nudity" image policy for new features - and with overwhelmingly positive feedback during the experiment - we're planning to expand the policy to more of Literotica's existing features with images over the coming months. The obvious place where it will make a difference is in User Avatars, though we plan to expand the policy to the Literotica Forums as well as to the Illustrated Stories and Artwork in the future. We understand that these changes may have an impact on some members' already-published avatar images, forum uploads, illustrated stories, and artworks - but the total number of images involved should be tiny compared to the total number of images, stories, and other works shared on Literotica.

If you're a forum poster or author who has shared images (photos or artwork) that include nudity, you can prepare for the changes by editing/replacing those images yourself proactively - or you can wait until we have time to review all of the visual works and request changes to those that need to be updated. Again - our research shows that the total number of items impacted by these changes will be very small (this only applies to images, not text), but we understand that each member's work is important to them. While the change might require a little extra effort in the short run, we're confident that it is the best move for the community in the long run. Please feel free to send us any feedback or questions you might have, as always."

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-publishing-queue-nudity-policy-more.1632509/

 

[jaF0]

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[Voboy]

Cross-posted:

The status quo provides many ways for users to avoid nude images if their virgin eyes simply cannot stand it.

I question the need for this. I prefer to leave users the choice of what kind of content they wish to consume.

 

[SimonDoom]

Cross-posted:


I question the need for this. I prefer to leave users the choice of what kind of content they wish to consume.

I tend to agree, but I still cannot quite tell what the new rule is.

 

[jaF0]

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[ToPleaseHim]

Cross-posted:


I question the need for this. I prefer to leave users the choice of what kind of content they wish to consume.

I tend to agree, but I still cannot quite tell what the new rule is.

Essentially, if I understand correctly, any image containing nudity cannot be embedded so that it automatically appears when scrolling. It might be more strict than that, if it turns out links aren’t allowed either, but I would be surprised if that’s the case.

This would accomplish what @Voboy is stating, as well, since individuals will choose to click and open images rather than have them automatically display.

 

[Voboy]

Essentially, if I understand correctly, any image containing nudity cannot be embedded so that it automatically appears when scrolling. It might me more strict than that, if it turns out links aren’t allowed either, but I would be surprised if that’s the case.

This would accomplish what @Voboy is stating, as well, since individuals will choose to click and open images rather than have them automatically display.

So... really just a reemphasis of the existing "links only" rule, accompanied by a new restriction on AVs and SIGs? And Illustrated Stories?

What about thongs? Or diaphanous, fluttery garments that end up being translucent? (I know you don't have these answers; I mention them because I won't be the only one asking the questions!)

Good luck with this...

 

[SimonDoom]

My read is no nudity can be displayed, at all. Not in stories, illustrated stories, author profiles, forum posts, avatars and profiles or anywhere else on Lit.

The old/current policy makes this exception:


Here are the basic Forum Photo Guidelines:

• Legally, we can allow soft nudity, but under current United States law, photographs (does not apply to non-photographic images) posted on this site may not contain “sexually explicit conduct”, which the government defines as:

https://www.literotica.com/faq/forum/forum-thread-picture-rules


That exception appears to be going away, unless we can save it for the artists.

That doesn't make sense to me, for the reasons cited by Voboy. The argument "I don't want somebody to look over my shoulder and see nudes on my phone" is a terrible argument. As a reader, you have total control over that risk, particularly if nudity is limited to places like the Visual Arts forum and the Illustrated Story category.

I'm generally of the view that it's a bad idea to take options away from the site. Intead, let readers assume the responsibility for their experience.

 

[Voboy]

let readers assume the responsibility for their experience.

I have always liked Lit because this was the founding ethos. I hate to see it get nibbled away, no matter what the reason.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

The bit in Manu's post about this change being a result of feedback is amusing as hell.

Anyway, I assume this rule won't be applied retroactively? It seems absurd to even think of processing so many illustrated stories and other artwork that contain explicit images.
Whatever the case, I don't see this rule having a significant impact. Literotica is primarily a place for ordinary stories. Illustrated stories, as popular as they can be sometimes, are just a tiny portion of the content here. Hell, Manu even bragged about going over 400 daily stories several times in the last couple of weeks. I wouldn't brag about it.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

That doesn't make sense to me, for the reasons cited by Voboy. The argument "I don't want somebody to look over my shoulder and see nudes on my phone" is a terrible argument.

I think you know better than to believe that was done due to actual feedback from people

 

[Voboy]

The bit in Manu's post about this change being a result of feedback is amusing as hell.

I tend to agree with you.

Anyway, I assume this rule won't be applied retroactively? It seems absurd to even think of processing so many illustrated stories and other artwork that contain explicit images.

The far, far more consequential issue involves the forum side, where embedded nudes frequently show up in many thousands of posts. And yes, I read the announcement as applying retroactively.

 

[jaF0]

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[AwkwardlySet]

And yes, I read the announcement as applying retroactively.

I'm not so sure. Manu said "in the future." Seems like a gargantuan amount of work to remove such images from every illustrated story and other artwork.
As I said, I am not much bothered personally about this change. No forum nudes seems unnecessarily restrictive but it's not something I can't live without. The only side of this change that saddens me is that it's a nail in the coffin for the hope that images would be allowed in story games. They really needed images to grow properly.

 

[Voboy]

I'm not so sure. Manu said "in the future." Seems like a gargantuan amount of work to remove such images from every illustrated story and other artwork.

"If you're a forum poster or author who has shared images (photos or artwork) that include nudity, you can prepare for the changes by editing/replacing those images yourself proactively - or you can wait until we have time to review all of the visual works and request changes to those that need to be updated."

-Manu

I bolded the parts that I think make this a retroactive policy, at least in Manu's mind.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

For those doubting that members have expressed concern regarding images, aside from reporting spam and scam posts, nearly all of the reports I process in three forums are people reporting images. I can’t imagine how many images in the GB are reported daily.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

"If you're a forum poster or author who has shared images (photos or artwork) that include nudity, you can prepare for the changes by editing/replacing those images yourself proactively - or you can wait until we have time to review all of the visual works and request changes to those that need to be updated."

-Manu

I bolded the parts that I think make this a retroactive policy, at least in Manu's mind.

Oh, I missed that part.

I assume they will just remove any such stories from authors who aren't around (or refuse) to update the images to comply with new rules. Then again, Lit could delete half the database and still have way too many stories, especially considering that new junk is being added daily in copious amounts.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

My only request here is to relax this for the hard working and talented Visual Artists.

I'm pretty sure photography is considered a visual art. Are those of us in AmPics who aren't taking and posting pornographic pics of ourselves, but merely a naked breast or buttock, considered part of the talented visual artists of whom you speak? It often does take some hard work and skill to capture the images we share. I understand the legal reasons for a ban on pornographic images, but a ban on all nudity seems extreme.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

For those doubting that members have expressed concern regarding images, aside from reporting spam and scam posts, nearly all of the reports I process in three forums are people reporting images. I can’t imagine how many images in the GB are reported daily.

I don't doubt that some members expressed concern. But I would also bet it's always the same group of members who are responsible for those reports. The truth is, this website lacks the mechanism and, more importantly, the will to hear and give any thought to feedback that comes from its members. That is why Manu saying that this change is the result of member feedback is making me laugh.

 

[Voboy]

I would also bet it's always the same group of members who are responsible for those reports.

I suspect I could name one...

 

[ToPleaseHim]

It’s a good mix of people, some forum regulars, some I’ve never heard of, some long-time posters, some brand new. The worst images get reported by a lot of people, thankfully. That has helped us get them off the site quickly.

 

[jaF0]

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[SimonDoom]

I think you know better than to believe that was done due to actual feedback from people

I like to assume the best. Call me foolish (or, on second thought, please don't!).

 

[THROBBS]

Oh well.
Fun while it lasted.

I'll wait (a bit) and see how "the cookie crumbles", but it seems that pretty much all of my work will be excised.

 

[Photog1rl]

I read Manu’s post and was hoping it only referred to illustrations on the story side of things but seeing this discussion seems like maybe it is site wide. One of the complaints that was cited was NSFW images that pop up unexpectedly when you are reading something. I can understand that but if you’ve chosen to go to AM pics then you are looking for the visual and shouldn’t be surprised at what you find.

How would AM pics even survive if these new rules applied to all of the forums? If no nudity is what the site is moving toward is removing AM pics part of the plan?