Feedback notice about a survey...

[wakingDown]

Anyone else get a feedback notice about taking a survey or answering questions about writing incest stories on the site? I got one today, and was curious as to whether anyone else had gotten one. If this is the wrong place to be posting this, please let me know. Here's a picture of the email, so you know what I'm talking about.

http://i.imgur.com/h8R22Ja.jpg

Anything that you know about it would be welcome. Thanks.

 

[HeyAll]

I got the same thing a few days ago.

I emailed back asking about the report, but have heard no response.

I didn't fill it out.

 

[beachbum1958]

Anyone else get a feedback notice about taking a survey or answering questions about writing incest stories on the site? I got one today, and was curious as to whether anyone else had gotten one. If this is the wrong place to be posting this, please let me know. Here's a picture of the email, so you know what I'm talking about.

http://i.imgur.com/h8R22Ja.jpg

Anything that you know about it would be welcome. Thanks.

I got one yesterday too, from some guy calling himself 'Brian' and claiming to be a journalist researching erotica and incest stories. I know that surveymonkey.com is a genuine survey site, where you can set-up your own anonymous surveys on anything; some of my daughter's friends used it to create surveys for their Marketing and Economics coursework at university, whether or not this guy is genuine is open for debate. I ignored it, I don't correspond with anon's asking me to click on a website I'm not completely au-fait with, no matter how plausible it sounds.

 

[lovecraft68]

I got it to and didn't bother.

A 'professor who apparently knows nothing about the Westermarck theory is bad enough, but when the e-mail mentioned it being 'silly' to think sons wanted their mothers' my first thought was um....Oedipus complex?

Yeah they can go fishing somewhere else. And I know three other authors that received it so they were just going down the list.

 

[Everyday_Man]

I didn't get one, this is BULLSHIT man!

 

[SikFuk]

I filled it out. I also sent the guy an email with some follow up comments. He does raise an interesting point. Why is incest so popular here, when, in real life, it's so unappealing? I've read that siblings give off pheromones that repel other siblings. If that's the case, what are the outliers that allow real-life incest to happen?

Another interesting angle I just ran across was a FB comment in a rape discussion. The guy said, because he grew up with sisters, he felt very protective of college women in dangerous situations, (drunk at parties) and he always watched out for them and protected them, while guys who didn't grow up with sisters were perfectly willing to take advantage of these women. This attitude should make brother/sister incest highly unlikely, and yet it's glorified here.

Mother/son incest is the most perplexing of all. Has anyone here had the hots for his mother?

I like social research. It seems to be a worthwhile cause, as long as the research is done honestly, without an agenda attached. I suggested to the guy that real-life incest may be the result of a brain chemistry imbalance, as is the case with pedophilia, addiction, and other mental disorders. I also suggested that LIT readers (and writers) have a higher than usual obsession with sex, and that may also be related to brain chemistry. Recent scientific research is showing significant differences when comparing the brains of liberals versus conservatives. The same could be true for us. Our brains could be wired differently than the public at large that has no great interest in reading stories featuring graphic sex. In other words, we're not making a conscious choice to be overly interested in sex, we're born this way. That's good news for the God crowd, who can now blame Him for their porn addiction.

 

[SikFuk]

...And I know three other authors that received it so they were just going down the list.

My last two submissions were in Incest/Taboo. I wonder if "the guy" is going down the list in that category? It would seem so.

 

[lovecraft68]

I filled it out. I also sent the guy an email with some follow up comments. He does raise an interesting point. Why is incest so popular here, when, in real life, it's so unappealing? I've read that siblings give off pheromones that repel other siblings. If that's the case, what are the outliers that allow real-life incest to happen?

Another interesting angle I just ran across was a FB comment in a rape discussion. The guy said, because he grew up with sisters, he felt very protective of college women in dangerous situations, (drunk at parties) and he always watched out for them and protected them, while guys who didn't grow up with sisters were perfectly willing to take advantage of these women. This attitude should make brother/sister incest highly unlikely, and yet it's glorified here.

Mother/son incest is the most perplexing of all. Has anyone here had the hots for his mother?

I like social research. It seems to be a worthwhile cause, as long as the research is done honestly, without an agenda attached. I suggested to the guy that real-life incest may be the result of a brain chemistry imbalance, as is the case with pedophilia, addiction, and other mental disorders. I also suggested that LIT readers (and writers) have a higher than usual obsession with sex, and that may also be related to brain chemistry. Recent scientific research is showing significant differences when comparing the brains of liberals versus conservatives. The same could be true for us. Our brains could be wired differently than the public at large that has no great interest in reading stories featuring graphic sex. In other words, we're not making a conscious choice to be overly interested in sex, we're born this way. That's good news for the God crowd, who can now blame Him for their porn addiction.

Incest is not just popular here.

Incest is everyone's dirty little secret. when amazon allowed incest e-books to be sold they sold like absolute wild fire and step incest still sells crazy there. Any site that does sell incest its their number one erotica seller.

There are countless porn sites dedicated to incest role plays and step mom role plays(to avoid real mom but you know what they are thinking)

Fact is it is a huge fetish (um ever here of Kay Parker? that movie pretty much launched the fetish as we know it), now whether every one who reads it would actually do it or if its just a kink is up for debate, my feeling is that like non con its a fetish that is fun in fantasy for some, but the reality not so much.

why? corny s it sounds, the taboo it is crossing the ultimate line and not just sexually. Many incest readers enjoy the forbidden romance as much as the sex. Its that loving the one person you aren't supposed to. the breaking of the laws of society and a make believe god(who's bible tells of incest populating the world at one point, but hey, what's religion without hypocrisy?)

Question is what is the big deal? Now I don't mean real life in the case of molesting kids and young siblings, but I mean what's the big deal people want to read about or think about adult siblings having sex or parents and adult age offspring?

We live in a society where violence and torture porn is glorified where sites will sell books about dogs fucking women before they will sell incest....why? Personally I'd rather read any type of fun consensual erotica than movies depicting torture and rape and drug addiction and murder....but hey, that's awesome! But about those 22 year old twins....

People squick from incest because we are told we should be from idiot professors who know about as much about real life as a dead tree to religious asshats who fuck little boys when no one is looking and as a society full of lemmings we buy it.

As to your what could make incest happen in real life? Most likely simple dysfunction. Young siblings in a bad home, maybe abuse and drugs from the parents, they are their only friends, they protect each other, they grow closer, the bond becomes misplaced....

Tough subject for me because I am of the school that as long as its consensual and no one is getting hurt (or taken advantage of age wise) then who the hell cares? If it feels good do it and screw man made laws and BS god's "rules"

If it feels good do it.

But sheeple and lemmings don't get that, they just do, think and feel as told.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

That is so funny. Another incest writer told me about the "Taboo" porn flicks and I was going to mention them, only to find . . . Kay Parker starred in them. She must have been the mom.

Dorothy Lemay played the sister/daughter lol

Incest is not just popular here.

Incest is everyone's dirty little secret. when amazon allowed incest e-books to be sold they sold like absolute wild fire and step incest still sells crazy there. Any site that does sell incest its their number one erotica seller.

There are countless porn sites dedicated to incest role plays and step mom role plays(to avoid real mom but you know what they are thinking)

Fact is it is a huge fetish (um ever here of Kay Parker? that movie pretty much launched the fetish as we know it), now whether every one who reads it would actually do it or if its just a kink is up for debate, my feeling is that like non con its a fetish that is fun in fantasy for some, but the reality not so much.

why? corny s it sounds, the taboo it is crossing the ultimate line and not just sexually. Many incest readers enjoy the forbidden romance as much as the sex. Its that loving the one person you aren't supposed to. the breaking of the laws of society and a make believe god(who's bible tells of incest populating the world at one point, but hey, what's religion without hypocrisy?)

Question is what is the big deal? Now I don't mean real life in the case of molesting kids and young siblings, but I mean what's the big deal people want to read about or think about adult siblings having sex or parents and adult age offspring?

We live in a society where violence and torture porn is glorified where sites will sell books about dogs fucking women before they will sell incest....why? Personally I'd rather read any type of fun consensual erotica than movies depicting torture and rape and drug addiction and murder....but hey, that's awesome! But about those 22 year old twins....

People squick from incest because we are told we should be from idiot professors who know about as much about real life as a dead tree to religious asshats who fuck little boys when no one is looking and as a society full of lemmings we buy it.

As to your what could make incest happen in real life? Most likely simple dysfunction. Young siblings in a bad home, maybe abuse and drugs from the parents, they are their only friends, they protect each other, they grow closer, the bond becomes misplaced....

Tough subject for me because I am of the school that as long as its consensual and no one is getting hurt (or taken advantage of age wise) then who the hell cares? If it feels good do it and screw man made laws and BS god's "rules"

If it feels good do it.

But sheeple and lemmings don't get that, they just do, think and feel as told.

 

[HeyAll]

I agree with what's been said.

And I've always wondered if women who like the 'daddy' dirty talk secretly have an incest fantasy, the same way many men have a mother/son fantasy.

But anyway, incest isn't as big (compared to other fantasies) because it's far far far more embarrassing. People don't get embarrassed talking about bdsm or girl/girl fantasies, but try going to a party and saying, "has anyone read that new incest novel?"

 

[Hypoxia]

Women don't want to be raped but read rape fantasies. Men don't want to fuck their mothers but read motherfucker fantasies. Most of us don't want to kill but read murder fantasies. Et cetera. Conclusion: humans like to experience vicariously what they would never do realistically. I think the phenomenon can be over-analyzed. It's part of our chemistry, folks. 'Fixing' it would extinguish our humanity.

PS: Nobody sent me a survey but I don't mind. I would lie anyway.

 

[sr71plt]

Incest is big business here simply because there are few other Web sites that permit it. There's no real mystery there.

 

[coochiebarber]

I got that mail last night and did fill up the form. Didn't see any harm in doing so.

 

[wakingDown]

Okay, thanks for letting me know. Sorry about the delay in responding, I had to get some stuff recorded. Good to know it wasn't just me that got the survey thing, I was feeling a little odd about it at first. My paranoia was getting to me.

I filled out the survey. If he can send an anon feedback message email thing, I can fill out an anon survey; fair is fair. I didn't give him any identifying info, so if he wants to use the survey answers for bullshit bunkum he's welcome to it. I put my explanation of why I write incest stories in the last couple questions of the survey, gave him a couple pages of explanation to read through while I was at it. Should keep him busy for a little while, at least.

When it comes to real life incest, I have to agree with Lovecraft. If it's two adults, it's consensual, and no one is hurting anyone, then it's no one else's business and there's no point in making a point of it. They should be free to do as they wish, the same as anyone else is. I don't see the problem. Just as with anything else, if they know the risks involved, fine. Let them have their life. Just as I expect to be left to my own devices in any other endeavor so long as I know what I'm getting into, I would expect them to be left to theirs. Who is anyone to say otherwise? This world is far too full of meddling fucks who want nothing more than to stick their grubby little meathooks into everyone else's lives and tell them what they should and shouldn't be doing. People just don't seem to know how to leave people alone.

In the case of younger sibling(s) or a parent(s)'s kid(s) being the focus of an incestuous relationship, if they are minors, then yeah I have a problem with it, because someone is being hurt by it. Then some meddling needs to be done to end it and protect the kid, who cannot protect themselves from the older person. But between two consenting adults? Fuck it, let them do what they want, it's not my, or anyone else's, business.

I just write this subject matter as I find it interesting to see how a long-established familial relationship with zero sexuality can be altered by circumstance or change in situation or whatever that would end up in a romantic relationship. I mean, here you have a long term relationship already, people that have known each other for years and years, that know just about everything about each other in most cases. They're often like a long-married couple; if you take a pair of family members and put them side by side and look at it that way; so I like to look at what happens that might change the dynamic that would/could shift that into something that includes romance between the two. That would turn the analogy of marriage into something that is less analogy than it actually is a marriage in practice, see what I'm saying?

It started off as a writing exercise for me; trying this dynamic out to see how it would function, seeing what I could do with the concept for myself, to see if I could write something in the area that looked alright to me. I simply found I enjoyed working with the concept quite a bit. I still do. I still write quite a lot of other stuff (at a much slower pace these days, but I still write quite a bit) but I think I'll be exploring this particular corner of intimate interaction for a while yet. Crom knows there's always going to be a readership for it.

 

[jsmiam]

My two cents, on the original topic.. A legit (or at least polite and respectful) journalist probably would freely identify themselves, their newspaper, college, etc. And would have (out of respect to lit) posted here requesting volunteers. And perhaps some legal mumbo jumbo, etc.

A grand conspiracy, probably not. But far more likely just a small time blog author, would be my guess. And, of course, not that there's anything wrong with that...

 

[49greg]

I didn't get one, this is BULLSHIT man!

I didn't get one either, and I have several incest stories posted, although it's been a while.

But I wouldn't fill out the survey. From a known researcher or one from a known university, maybe. But a journalist? never. no way to know what kind of spin he would put on Literotica in general.

 

[Everyday_Man]

I didn't get one either, and I have several incest stories posted, although it's been a while.

But I wouldn't fill out the survey. From a known researcher or one from a known university, maybe. But a journalist? never. no way to know what kind of spin he would put on Literotica in general.

It's probably some SUPER CREEPY PERVERT with jerk off question & a desire to talk to some of his favorite authors on a more personal and friendly level.

 

[PervOtaku]

Women don't want to be raped but read rape fantasies. Men don't want to fuck their mothers but read motherfucker fantasies. Most of us don't want to kill but read murder fantasies. Et cetera. Conclusion: humans like to experience vicariously what they would never do realistically.

Pretty much this. The more taboo the topic, the more fun it is to experience vicariously, be it through fiction or roleplay. (With good enough writing, anything can sound sexy. I recently stumbled across a snuff-themed phone sex website, and it's batshit stuff. The thought that there are guys that need to call such a thing is disturbing. The tease narratives are even worse, with the girls describing how turned on they are by being painfully mutilated and/or slowly killed by their male captors (i.e. the caller), or kidnapping underage girls for the caller, and together raping them followed by killing them. It's some of the most horrible things I've ever read, but the language of lust and excitement still comes off the page extremely effectively.)

Somebody mentioned the Westermarck effect, see also genetic sexual attraction for the opposite factor. But note that GSA stories (even the true ones!) are not as exciting as the stories where the Westermarck effect should be a factor but isn't. Usually one family member lusts for the other at the outset, or goes from "never though about them like that" to full lust like the flip of a switch, just from accidentally seeing them naked or some such. As readers we infer the Westermarck effect, and a level of lust that can rocket over it so easily is a powerful image.

A recent trend in Japanese anime is the so-called "siscon" (sister complex) story, featuring lots of sexual tension between an older brother and younger sister. Since these are on television rather than being porn, it tends not to end up with anything actually happening, but the intent is clear. A friend of mine says nobody who actually has a sister would see such stories as realistic.

Hmm. I wonder if there are any stories that actually play up Westermarck for everything it's worth, with any actual incestuous sex being awkward at best. I wonder if I could write one like that...

 

[SikFuk]

...Hmm. I wonder if there are any stories that actually play up Westermarck for everything it's worth, with any actual incestuous sex being awkward at best. I wonder if I could write one like that...

I have a couple of bro/sis stories that revolve around awkward sex. "The Deadly Quicksand" is a satire of sorts, but I tacked on a consummation ending, not because I wanted to, but because I thought that's what the readers wanted. I don't do that anymore. To hell with the readers. I'm writing for me.

The other one is new, "Jesus, Sis and Me", playing on the concept of sexual curiosity between religious conservatives who were never exposed to sex ed. The ending annoyed some readers, but I was going for realism rather than the LIT perfect-sex fantasy. As a reader, I generally skip over the big sex scene. What interests me is not the mechanics of the fucking, it's what leads up to it, and the aftermath.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I didn't get one either, and I have several incest stories posted, although it's been a while.

But I wouldn't fill out the survey. From a known researcher or one from a known university, maybe. But a journalist? never. no way to know what kind of spin he would put on Literotica in general.

Yup. Any serious, legitimate survey will have some information about who's running it and a way to verify that they are who they say they are e.g. a contact address at the institution they claim to be working for.

If it's run by a university, it will also have info about who's approved the study. Human-subjects research needs to go through an IRB to confirm that it meets ethics criteria.

Every so often the BDSM board gets a post from somebody claiming to be a grad student studying BDSMers and wanting people to answer a survey. Some are legit, quite a few have been fakes presumably looking for wank fodder.