Fed judge backs Trump admin not paying shutdown workers

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A patriotically competent judge, fully understanding and revering the Constitution's separation of powers command, no matter how he emotionally feels.

A federal judge declined to stop the Trump administration from requiring government employees to work without pay during the shutdown, rejecting the arguments of two federal unions and other individual federal employees.

In a hearing Tuesday, District Judge Richard J. Leon refused to grant temporary restraining orders requested the National Treasury Employees Union, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, and a group of individual federal employees. The unions argued that the government could not force employees deemed “essential” to work without pay during the shutdown.

Lean declined to grant the orders, saying they would “create chaos and confusion” in an already fraught environment.

“It’s hard not to empathize with the plaintiffs,” Leon said, adding that “the judiciary is not, and will not, be leverage in the internal struggle between the branches of government.”

Federal judge sides with Trump, allowing workers to go unpaid during shutdown
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/15/federal-workers-judge-pay-shutdown-1101591

 

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You're binky arent you?

 

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You're binky arent you?

Oh God, they always somehow manage to crawl back in here.

The human pox of NC?

I thought the guy was being sarcastic, but I realize he is dead serious with his patriotic comment.

 

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A patriotically competent judge, fully understanding and revering the Constitution's separation of powers command, no matter how he emotionally feels.



Federal judge sides with Trump, allowing workers to go unpaid during shutdown
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/15/federal-workers-judge-pay-shutdown-1101591

Perhaps you're unclear as to the definition of slavery, something prohibited under the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Forcing someone to work unpaid is slavery, plain and simple.

 

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Perhaps you're unclear as to the definition of slavery, something prohibited under the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Forcing someone to work unpaid is slavery, plain and simple.

Your pathetically hyperbolic "slavery" doesn't apply at all since no one is "Forcing" any one to VOLUNTARILY work for the federal government unpaid. You don't like the federal government's workplace rules, don't CHOOSE to work for it. Simple.

 

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The nation's 42,000 active-duty Coast Guard members missed their scheduled paycheck Tuesday, as the only military branch to work without pay during the government shutdown.

Because the Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Security, it is getting no funding during the shutdown. All other parts of the military are under the still-funded Department of Defense.

Coast Guard members, reservists and retirees received checks on Dec. 31 as part of a short-term solution that gave them the remainder of their pay and allowances for December.

But that quick fix did not extend to the Jan. 15 pay period.

Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Karl Schultz released a statement to active-duty members addressing the loss of pay.

"To the best of my knowledge, this marks the first time in our Nation’s history that service members in a U.S. Armed Force have not been paid during a lapse in government appropriations," his statement said.

He also announced a $15 million donation by USAA Bank, which serves military members and family, to the service's nonprofit relief organization, Coast Guard Mutual Assistance. The American Red Cross will aid in distributing the money to military and civilians employees of the service who need assistance.

 

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Your pathetically hyperbolic "slavery" doesn't apply at all since no one is "Forcing" any one to VOLUNTARILY work for the federal government unpaid. You don't like the federal government's workplace rules, don't CHOOSE to work for it. Simple.

Dude, they were literally ordered to return to work unpaid. An actual directive. I'm not sure how they would be able to get new jobs in time to survive in this economy, anyway. Nobody can get new jobs that quickly these days, certainly not in time to avoid missing rent and utilities. Try living in the real economy some time. It might not be hounds and overseers keeping them on the plantation, but the threat of starvation works just as well for duress.

 

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The nation's 42,000 active-duty Coast Guard members missed their scheduled paycheck Tuesday, as the only military branch to work without pay during the government shutdown.

Because the Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Security, it is getting no funding during the shutdown. All other parts of the military are under the still-funded Department of Defense.

Coast Guard members, reservists and retirees received checks on Dec. 31 as part of a short-term solution that gave them the remainder of their pay and allowances for December.

But that quick fix did not extend to the Jan. 15 pay period.

Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Karl Schultz released a statement to active-duty members addressing the loss of pay.

"To the best of my knowledge, this marks the first time in our Nation’s history that service members in a U.S. Armed Force have not been paid during a lapse in government appropriations," his statement said.

He also announced a $15 million donation by USAA Bank, which serves military members and family, to the service's nonprofit relief organization, Coast Guard Mutual Assistance. The American Red Cross will aid in distributing the money to military and civilians employees of the service who need assistance.

And here we have very literally a case where you can't just walk away from unpaid work. You can get court-martialed for it. Unpaid labor equals slavery.

 

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Another great time to remind everyone that choosing to work for anyone but yourself is simply your choice and responsibility and no one else's. In that educational spirit, this partial federal government shutdown serves as a tremendous lesson to any future potential federal government workers (including military, of course) of what they'd VOLUNTARILY be getting into.

Don't like their rules, don't play their game. Simple.

 

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Another great time to remind everyone that choosing to work for anyone but yourself is simply your choice and responsibility and no one else's. In that educational spirit, this partial federal government shutdown serves as a tremendous lesson to any future potential federal government workers (including military, of course) of what they'd VOLUNTARILY be getting into.

Don't like their rules, don't play their game. Simple.

Even if you voluntarily join, if you can't voluntarily leave, you're trapped.

 

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And here we have very literally a case where you can't just walk away from unpaid work. You can get court-martialed for it. Unpaid labor equals slavery.

So, don't VOLUNTARILY join the Coast Guard and you automatically exclude yourself from your "slavery" rules. It's almost like some people insist they shouldn't hold themselves fully responsible for their own VOLUNTARY CHOICES.

 

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Oh God, they always somehow manage to crawl back in here.

The human pox of NC?

I thought the guy was being sarcastic, but I realize he is dead serious with his patriotic comment.

So that's a yes, no?

 

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So, don't VOLUNTARILY join the Coast Guard and you automatically exclude yourself from your "slavery" rules. It's almost like some people insist they shouldn't hold themselves fully responsible for their own VOLUNTARY CHOICES.

Again, if it doesn't stay voluntary, whether or not it starts as voluntary is immaterial. It's not voluntary unless it remains voluntary from beginning to end. This is the nature of your fallacy.

I, for one, don't say that you shouldn't join the military. Just that you should never be denied pay while doing it.

 

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Even if you voluntarily join, if you can't voluntarily leave, you're trapped.

Sure you can voluntarily leave the military, people do that every day without any penalty at all.

 

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Sure you can voluntarily leave the military, people do that every day without any penalty at all.

Not ahead of the term of service. That's called desertion.

 

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Again, if it doesn't stay voluntary, whether or not it starts as voluntary is immaterial. It's not voluntary unless it remains voluntary from beginning to end. This is the nature of your fallacy.

No, the "nature of your fallacy" is fantasizing voluntary military service means you're your own boss.

 

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Not ahead of the term of service. That's called desertion.

And what do those terms of service dictate when you voluntarily enlist in the military? Do they cover what happens in government shutdowns? Of course they do, and you AGREE to them when you VOLUNTARILY enlist.

Is it anyone else's problem if you AGREE VOLUNTARILY to your own, let's use your arcane reference, "slavery"?

 

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And what do those terms of service dictate when you voluntarily enlist in the military? Do they cover what happens in government shutdowns? Of course they do, and you AGREE to them when you VOLUNTARILY enlist.

Is it anyone else's problem if you AGREE VOLUNTARILY to your own, let's use your arcane reference, "slavery"?

Dude, let me make this plain to you. Clearly, you didn't get my meaning. If you exit the military without permission short of your full term of enlistment, they will grab your ass and court-martial you for desertion! Then you will lose a lot of freedom in the stockade! Is that plain enough for you?

 

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No, the "nature of your fallacy" is fantasizing voluntary military service means you're your own boss.

I never claimed that it made one your own boss.

 

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Dude, let me make this plain to you. Clearly, you didn't get my meaning.

Sure I did. You simply don't understand the meaning of "slavery". Why are you so confused about that?

 

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Nevermind, just eyer being eyer.

Lack of empathy is his thing...

 

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Sure I did. You simply don't understand the meaning of "slavery". Why are you so confused about that?

Oh, I understand. You clearly don't get that in order for something to be voluntary labor, it has to remain voluntary, not simply begin as voluntary. Nor am I saying that military service is slavery, as it is paid. But if it becomes unpaid, that, combined with the coercive requirement to stay, it is then slavery.