Fat America

SINthysist

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Wednesday, June 19, 2002

[John Boutillier]

Let’s face it: our country has become shockingly fat – obese, in fact.


If you go back 20 years, you almost never saw a hulking, drooping figure struggling along the sidewalk with extra baggy clothes to ‘hide’ his or her fat. Now, we see such figures on every block!


What has happened?


Quite simply: we eat too much. Period.


Now, why has this happened over the past 20 years?


A combination of the following:


1) Portion sizes in restaurants have ballooned. What used to be a “chicken plate” has morphed into a “chicken platter” – and there is enough food on it to feed a family of four for two days!


2) The easy availability of fast food. It all tastes so good, is easy to buy – and is loaded with fat and sugar.


3) ‘Supersizing’ has become the new “in” thing. And the result is “supersized people”!


4) Public schools have succumbed to serving fast food – MacDonalds in particular – for lunch. Thus our young are ‘hooked’ from an early age.


5) Exercise is rare for most people. And, with the more frenetic pace we all live in, it is even more difficult to find time to work out – and work “off” those lbs.



I have been dieting since 1970. I have tried every known diet as well as every gimmick, solution, pill and fad.


And I know the utter embarrassment of not even being able to look in a mirror or when walking past a glass storefront. You really get to hate what you look like.


OK. That’s where we are. Now, what to do?


As a lay expert on losing weight, I can sum it all up very simply:


1) The only thing that matters is the number of calories you eat per day.


2) What you eat is much less important than the amount of calories you consume per day.


3) So, to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you take in. Period. Simple, eh?


4) Do you realize that if you eat just one chocolate chip cookie (I could eat seven right now!) per day – at 100 calories per cookie – that in one year you will put on 10 pounds?


5) Exercise is valuable only as a way to burn more calories, thus adding to you “caloric deficit.” Plus, it just makes you feel better.


6) Those of us who love to work out also know another dirty little secret: you actually have less appetite when you are on an exercise program. Seems like it should be the other way around but it is not.


7) The other thing I’ve learned – and it’s awful sounding – is that you are going to be a little bit hungry a lot of the time. But when you’re hungry – and you don’t eat anything - you are burning that fat away.




To sum it all up: we as a nation have a Big problem. Sixty percent of the people are so Big they are now categorized as obese.


Putting that weight on is easy as pie (uh oh!)...OK, putting it on is a piece of cake (uh oh again!).


But getting it off is much, much tougher.


No wonder so many people try gimmicks and pills and solutions to drink before bedtime that supposedly allow you to eat “all you want.” None of them are the right way to proceed.


The only way is to count those calories, cut them down bit by bit – and for the rest of your life dedicate yourself to less food going into our mouths.


The hardest part is getting started. Once you get going it is not so bad. And then when you start to see results, everything seems better.


America is fat - period. And we need to go on a diet.
 
I have had to watch my weight all my life. It sucks because I have an enormous sweet tooth (chocolate yummmmm) I have found that if I keep the FAT below 30 grams a day, and get plenty of calcium (suppliment if necessary) I can keep it under control.

12 years ago I lost 75 pounds and I have kept it off!
 
As calories are needed for energy...

cutting back on them too much is harmful to health.

What you should be looking for on the Nutritional Value messages on the sides of packages is the Fat Content per 100mgs. I've forgotten the number that is ideal now, from my own dieting days, but it isn't very high.

This doesn't mean you have to restrict yourself to the low number all the time but at least it can give you a good indication of how much you're ingesting.

As you said exercise is important but you need the energy for that, thus cutting back on calories without cutting back on fat isn't very good for you at all.

:)
 
SINthysist said:
Wednesday, June 19, 2002

[John Boutillier]

Let’s face it: our country has become shockingly fat – obese, in fact.


If you go back 20 years, you almost never saw a hulking, drooping figure struggling along the sidewalk with extra baggy clothes to ‘hide’ his or her fat. Now, we see such figures on every block!


What has happened?


Quite simply: we eat too much. Period.


Now, why has this happened over the past 20 years?


A combination of the following:


1) Portion sizes in restaurants have ballooned. What used to be a “chicken plate” has morphed into a “chicken platter” – and there is enough food on it to feed a family of four for two days!


2) The easy availability of fast food. It all tastes so good, is easy to buy – and is loaded with fat and sugar.


3) ‘Supersizing’ has become the new “in” thing. And the result is “supersized people”!



I just don't get the "blame everything but the behavior attitude" Teenagers are 3 times more likely to be overweight now compared to the late 70s. The food choices haven't really changed. If anything, there are more healthy alternatives now.
 
Syn, you are right. We just all eat too much, portions are out of control. Additionally, we are more and more sedate.

Fat is a big thing, too, I agree PP. Even the FDA's guidelines are too much. 65 grams of fat per day is too much for a healthy diet.

If we each need 2000 or so calories a day, eating junk food or alot of food exceeds that very quickly.

even if you just eat 150 calories more per day than you burn, 3500 calories =1 lb. Guess what? 1.5 lb/month over a couple years, and you are clinically obese! (18 pounds weight gain per year).

Bummer.
 
Two things.

First Scientist as of yet can't agree on what is over weight and what is obesse. I typically run 30 to 40 lbs over my suggested weight yet I am pretty much healthy outside of the fact I smoke and it effects my breathing at times.

Second, The best way to lose weight involves more then watching calories, fat intake, or whatever is the "in thing" at the moment. Proper diet according to nutrionalist is proper eating meats veggies wheats, etc. Mixed with exercise.

Do not get taken in by the Crash Diets they all sound good except they tend to leave something out usually protein.
 
i hear american airlines are charging overweight passengers double fare for two seats being occupied
 
markb325 said:
Do not get taken in by the Crash Diets they all sound good except they tend to leave something out usually protein.

Actually, the newest (recycled) fad is the low carb high protein diet.

Stick to a ballanced diet and try not to get more than 20-30% of your total calories from fat.
 
markb325 said:
Two things.

First Scientist as of yet can't agree on what is over weight and what is obesse. I typically run 30 to 40 lbs over my suggested weight yet I am pretty much healthy outside of the fact I smoke and it effects my breathing at times.

Second, The best way to lose weight involves more then watching calories, fat intake, or whatever is the "in thing" at the moment. Proper diet according to nutrionalist is proper eating meats veggies wheats, etc. Mixed with exercise.

Do not get taken in by the Crash Diets they all sound good except they tend to leave something out usually protein.

It is all math. It is all calories. That is not a fad. You don't want to get too little (I agree re the crash diet) and you don't want too much.

btw, I am a vegetarian and healthy as a horse. You don't need meat.
 
Up to the part about where this person started giving advice, this article has a sort of validity to the point. America has fat people, but there are not more fat people than people of a normal weight. They are also not much of a historian either. There have always been obese people. Many obese people are obese because of thyroid conditions, and it has NOTHING to do with food. The difference in society today is that we make it so these people are seen more, by making handicap accessability more common. In the past, the obese were kept locked up as an embarassement. Yes, it was much less common than it is today, due to our fast food culture, but it has always been around.

Well it is clearly evident that this person is NOT an expert.

"The only thing that matters is the number of calories you eat per day."
This person is a nutritionalists nightmare. What you eat DOES matter. Give me a fucking break..

Oh, yeah, it's okay to live on Doritoes as long as you stay under 3500 calories of them.

Oh, and the holes in this are insane...

One cookie per day will not make you gain 10 pounds. What if that is all you ate? Besides, this moron advocates the eating of Whatever you want, as long as your calories are in bounds.
:rolleyes:


" Exercise is valuable only as a way to burn more calories, thus adding to you “caloric deficit.” Plus, it just makes you feel better."

This person, again, is acting like they've mastered an understanding of the human body, but they'll say that excersize is ONLY benificial as a way to burn calories? Whatever. Excersise has many many benifits. For one, it inhances cellular metabolism, resulting in the ability to eliminate toxins in the system, along with increasing circulation so our circulatory systems can pick up the endotoxic product of respiration, CO2, and carry it to our lungs to eliminate it. What about strength building for fuck sake?

"The other thing I’ve learned – and it’s awful sounding – is that you are going to be a little bit hungry a lot of the time. But when you’re hungry – and you don’t eat anything - you are burning that fat away. "
You don't have to go hungry to loose weight. As a matter of fact, it is not a good idea to go hungry because you'll turn your metabolism way the fuck down and not burn as much as you would if you weren't hungry. This is where it does matter what you eat. You can't eat cookies and expect to be full and satisfied. You can get the vitamins you need either, but that is beside the point. Rice, Veggies, Lean Meats (if you eat meat) or Beans are the way to go. If you eat healthy, you won't go hungry.
 
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Hey there SIN. This ties in well with my thread with the weight calculator and the "Double the Air Fare" thread.

Southwest Airlines DOES know what they're doing.

Going to be fun, you bet.

Ishmael
 
Fat?

I have never had a problem with my weight...but I have noticed since my moving to the USA...you guys eat some crap!!!
It's no wonder that 60% are overweight!
 
TWB said:


It is all math. It is all calories. That is not a fad. You don't want to get too little (I agree re the crash diet) and you don't want too much.

btw, I am a vegetarian and healthy as a horse. You don't need meat.

Do you eat eggs?
 
What the fuck does it matter if people are fat. If we wanna be fat... Goddamn it..let us. So fucking what. I mean as far as ADULTS go... It's your body..do with it what ever the fuck you want. I am so sick of people judging others about their weight. I mean, HOLY FUCKING SHIT... if being fat is the only thing wrong with you ...You are really lucky.

It's true that portion sizes are bigger...and it is also true that there are healthier choices. But that's the key word here folks!!! Choices. Some people could probably be fairly comfortable with their size if other people would fucking shut up about "what the right size really is". All of us are so different, different bone structure, genetics, heredity....so how the hell are all of us suppose to fit into these perfect labels of being 5'5 and 120 pounds. That BMI is bullshit.

I wish stupid people were harassed as much as fat people. Now, don't get me wrong I and every other "fat" person knows that being overweight is not healthy. Almost every overweight person I have ever talked to knows that. I know that some overweight people are that way because of lack of excerciese, lack of motivation and those type of things. BUT not all overweight people. There are medical conditions that contribute to weight. AND even with excercise and perfect nutrition it would be an everyday struggle to keep excess weight off.

Anyhow, I just think it's bullshit how much this issue is brought up...not here really but in the media. It pisses me off that it okay for people to make fun of fat people. It makes me mad that we see a hell of a lot more fat guys on tv and in the movies than fat women. Women are always having to deal with their body image because of that shit. WE are bombarded with oh, Be your self and everyone will love you, but then in the next breath it's but make sure your ribs are poking out and your chest looks like an 11 year old boy.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.Whatever.:mad:
 
I think the most important thing is not being "fat" or "thin", but being healthy. There are many thin people who are sedentary and out of shape; there are many heavier people who are active and eat right, yet will always be more 'rounded' due to their genetics. Here's a great article on weight & health:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9702/17/big.fat.lies/index.html

From the article:

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia (CNN) -- The conventional wisdom is that it's better to be thin than fat. But a University of Virginia professor is challenging that long-held belief.

"The biggest lie is that weight tells us something meaningful about our health," said Glenn Gaesser, author of "Big Fat Lies."

Gaesser, a skinny man himself, contends you can be fit -- and fat.

Gaesser, an exercise physiologist, says many studies show that even if you're overweight by universal standards, you can still live a long life. The key is exercise and a low-fat diet with lots of fruits, vegetables and grains.

In fact, he says, an overweight person with a healthy lifestyle could outlive a thin couch potato.

Gaesser says it isn't excess blubber that leads to heart disease and diabetes -- it's inactivity and a high fat diet.

I personally think the problem isn't diet but our increasingly sedentary lifestyles. If we were more active as a society, we'd be waay healthier.
 
TWB said:

btw, I am a vegetarian and healthy as a horse. You don't need meat.

Maybe not.

But how do you explain the canine teeth and carnivore size colon?

We were meant to eat meat in small amounts and vegetables in large amounts. Typical hunter / gatherer stuff evolutionwise.
 
Laurel

Violence always begets violence
- Harry Browne

Laurel - quoting a Libertarian Presidential candidate.

Yessssss!
 
Kasha said:
What the fuck does it matter if people are fat. If we wanna be fat... Goddamn it..let us. So fucking what. I mean as far as ADULTS go... It's your body..do with it what ever the fuck you want. I am so sick of people judging others about their weight. I mean, HOLY FUCKING SHIT... if being fat is the only thing wrong with you ...You are really lucky.

It's true that portion sizes are bigger...and it is also true that there are healthier choices. But that's the key word here folks!!! Choices. Some people could probably be fairly comfortable with their size if other people would fucking shut up about "what the right size really is". All of us are so different, different bone structure, genetics, heredity....so how the hell are all of us suppose to fit into these perfect labels of being 5'5 and 120 pounds. That BMI is bullshit.

I wish stupid people were harassed as much as fat people. Now, don't get me wrong I and every other "fat" person knows that being overweight is not healthy. Almost every overweight person I have ever talked to knows that. I know that some overweight people are that way because of lack of excerciese, lack of motivation and those type of things. BUT not all overweight people. There are medical conditions that contribute to weight. AND even with excercise and perfect nutrition it would be an everyday struggle to keep excess weight off.

Anyhow, I just think it's bullshit how much this issue is brought up...not here really but in the media. It pisses me off that it okay for people to make fun of fat people. It makes me mad that we see a hell of a lot more fat guys on tv and in the movies than fat women. Women are always having to deal with their body image because of that shit. WE are bombarded with oh, Be your self and everyone will love you, but then in the next breath it's but make sure your ribs are poking out and your chest looks like an 11 year old boy.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.Whatever.:mad:
 
Don't blame food or lack of excersize for all people who are fat like me i was fat but i was 200lbs but when i started to go to doctors the meds. made me ballon up to 300lbs now i'm a diabetic and have three meals a day and a snack and because of that i lost25lbs.

When i started going to the doctors they said i was starving myself to death slowly because of my disease i have crohns and the meds caused me to gain the wieght when it was not to do.

there are other conditions that cause people to be fat and the people that report all this are thin.

My mother was 100lbs. over wieght and 37 and half years of workng she only sick 5% of it.

If you look at big companys or the federal government you will find that those that are thin and atletic will take more sick leave then fat because they want three day weekends or to go out and play golf.
 
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