FAITHandFLESH

[FAITHandFLESH]

Hello to all,

New to site and just doing a brief introduction. As my screen name infers, I am a man who takes my Christian faith seriously but am also still made of flesh and blood.

Being a Christian truly does present a duality, the spirit wants to do those things that please God, the flesh, well it wants to please itself.

And there, in lies the conflict.

If there are others of you who feel the same struggle, feel free to post here or send me a message.

I cannot be the only one...

Thanks!

 

[philly1]

Hey

Totally understand that completely.
I can relate.


Do you chat in Lit chat ?

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

Totally understand that completely.
I can relate.


Do you chat in Lit chat ?

I'm new here, I guess this would be my FIRST chat...

 

[Chris_Michael]

Isn't the goal of a Christian to overcome and persevere the temptations of the flesh?

Isn't a battle with the flesh the entire point of your fall from grace?

You accept failure, friend? God wont be happy with you.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

Isn't the goal of a Christian to overcome and persevere the temptations of the flesh?

Isn't a battle with the flesh the entire point of your fall from grace?

You accept failure, friend? God wont be happy with you.

Who said I accept failure?

Who said I'm not convicted by it?

 

[Chris_Michael]

Who said I accept failure?

Who said I'm not convicted by it?

God seems like a pretty mean dude. He has had people killed in his name for participating in sexual activities outside of marriage.

Better watch out! I hear he's a jealous man.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

God seems like a pretty mean dude. He has had people killed in his name for participating in sexual activities outside of marriage.

Better watch out! I hear he's a jealous man.

No instance of that in the New Testament...

And God is very loving, mean is not a noun to describe Him...

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

As a Christian and a pervert, compartmentalizing is helpful if not healthy. Also, there are places and people for this very discussion and struggle. I'm not sure letting people who don't understand, or care to, tear you apart is the best, most helpful? Just my opinion. We are all finding our way.

Good luck.

Thank you. I knew by sharing some would attack, so It's all okay...

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

Of course. I have very little patience for public bickering but am all about a deep and productive conversation.

Exactly...

Conversations on all levels, not just the obvious that may be thought of here...

 

[MKvDeepSea]

Hello to all,

New to site and just doing a brief introduction. As my screen name infers, I am a man who takes my Christian faith seriously but am also still made of flesh and blood.

Being a Christian truly does present a duality, the spirit wants to do those things that please God, the flesh, well it wants to please itself.

And there, in lies the conflict.

If there are others of you who feel the same struggle, feel free to post here or send me a message.

I cannot be the only one...

Thanks!

Hey FAITHandFLESH,

Maybe this will help: https://www.christianswingers.com/

 

[Chris_Michael]

As a Christian and a pervert, compartmentalizing is helpful if not healthy. Also, there are places and people for this very discussion and struggle. I'm not sure letting people who don't understand, or care to, tear you apart is the best, most helpful? Just my opinion. We are all finding our way.

Good luck.

Well, I mean... Christians have only been destroying civilizations for the past 2,000 years. So, I don’t sympathize with their struggle.

Aren’t Christians fighting to stop abortions in the Southern states right now? IN 2019??! I used to think Islam was worse but now I dunno... Christians seem just as bad..

We’re in 2019 and Christians are giving 99+ year sentences to women who have abortions. Pretty bad, IMO.

 

[PWilton]

I console myself with observing the physician's credo:

"First, Do No Harm".

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

I console myself with observing the physician's credo:

"First, Do No Harm".

Thanks.

 

[peterthelicker]

No instance of that in the New Testament...

And God is very loving, mean is not a noun to describe Him...

Mean is not a noun.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

Mean is not a noun.

Meant to type word...sorry.

 

[GoldRogue]

I almost responded.....

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Lit is 100% not the place for religious debate. Meet me for coffee and I'll gladly smoke you in a theological debate, though. ✌

Miss you on the audio thread, CM.

I don't know about that Lil'Pussy. I think the world would be a much better place without any organized religions. This site is a perfect example. You'd think it would be the last place bible-thumpers would show up but here it is. So I commend Chris for attempting to keep it at bay.

 

[Blase]

You'd think it would be the last place bible-thumpers would show up but here it is. So I commend Chris for attempting to keep it at bay.

I don't think I'd call the OP a Bible-thumper, Rogue. His first post admits a perceived conflict and invites a conversation. I agree that he's likely better off having discussions in private with people who are or have been where he is, but admitting publicly that he feels conflicted at times is not Bible-thumping.

The real Bible-thumpers here are probably either flaming people on the General Board, or quietly hating themselves as they try to stop jerking off to Lit.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

I don't know about that Lil'Pussy. I think the world would be a much better place without any organized religions. This site is a perfect example. You'd think it would be the last place bible-thumpers would show up but here it is. So I commend Chris for attempting to keep it at bay.

I've thumped no one with anything...Grin.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

I don't think I'd call the OP a Bible-thumper, Rogue. His first post admits a perceived conflict and invites a conversation. I agree that he's likely better off having discussions in private with people who are or have been where he is, but admitting publicly that he feels conflicted at times is not Bible-thumping.

The real Bible-thumpers here are probably either flaming people on the General Board, or quietly hating themselves as they try to stop jerking off to Lit.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

 

[JerseyJade]

https://i.imgur.com/3ycVTAq.gif

 

[Chris_Michael]

I almost responded.....

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Lit is 100% not the place for religious debate. Meet me for coffee and I'll gladly smoke you in a theological debate, though. ✌

Miss you on the audio thread, CM.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

When and where?

PLP, just please walk away understanding something. It’s NOT “just opinion.” There are real world consequences that can be devastating to huge populations of people in society. Whether you believe this or not, Christians ALWAYS force their ideologies on society as a whole, to the point where Christian values are the norm. However, if anything changes, they are the first ones to cry, claiming that they’re being persecuted and claiming that the world is ending.

I miss you, too.

 

[Shelly2inme]

Why the conflict?

Your sex drive was built into you just like it is build into all living creatures.

The conflict about sex is man-made not from God. The Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve committed a sexual sin - and yet after stealing they suddenly felt guilty about being naked. A mental illness about sex had set in. But if you believe the Bible then you know that God created them naked like all creatures and told them to have sex and fill the earth with offspring.

The fake religions of the world have demonized sex. According to the Bible God GAVE many of the men that are described as "righteous" or "faithful" multiple women for sex partners. Concubines.

God invented sex not you.

That is not to say that anything goes regarding sex. There are sexual perversions such as prostitution, and bestiality and rape.

But fucking for pleasure is not wrong. It is natural. Jealousy and control issues block people from wanting their mates to enjoy sexual variety. My husband and I both want each other to enjoy our sexual capacity. Having sexual variety is a wonderful pleasure that all humans, male and female, crave.

Think about all of the taboos. Where do they come from. Sarah ASKED her husband to fuck Hagar because she could not have children. There is not a hint of scolding from God in the account. Abraham is held out as "God's friend" - not as an evil fucker.

Try to clear your mind from the religious man made bullshit and not be a victim of "group think." Take a fresh look. Think objectively.

If religion really represented God do you think they would have caused all the bloodshed that we see in history. Most religions have been a force for evil not good. Don't blame God for what man has done.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Not really arguing the organized religion point. We as humans are flawed creatures and pretty much ruin everything. (Makes vague gestures to the planet) I was discussing a much more fundamental spiritual dichotomy, which is what I think OP was struggling with and referring to.

I'm not debating this here so feel free to have the last word. But there are plenty of well educated, good hearted people of all faiths here. I respect your right to believe whatever you do or don't want to believe but you need to extend that same courtesy. OP wasn't trying to evangelize or call anyone out but looking for people that would sympathize and normalize. If he was into an extreme kink, people would be tripping over themselves to validate that but when he asks for like minded Litsters to share their experiences people who don't have anything useful to add seems a bit off to me. But that's me.

Ok. Done rambling. Have a great Sunday! I'll be praying for yall.

Good luck OP. My inbox is always open.

Well, I disagree that there are "plenty of well-educated, good-hearted" Christians, but okay. I leave that as my final word.

I might PM you later. It's a busy day with Game of Thrones tonight. But yeah, I need to catch up on what's happening with the audio thread.

Take it easy, PLP.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Your sex drive was built into you just like it is build into all living creatures.

The conflict about sex is man-made not from God. The Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve committed a sexual sin - and yet after stealing they suddenly felt guilty about being naked. A mental illness about sex had set in. But if you believe the Bible then you know that God created them naked like all creatures and told them to have sex and fill the earth with offspring.

The fake religions of the world have demonized sex. According to the Bible God GAVE many of the men that are described as "righteous" or "faithful" multiple women for sex partners. Concubines.

God invented sex not you.

That is not to say that anything goes regarding sex. There are sexual perversions such as prostitution, and bestiality and rape.

But fucking for pleasure is not wrong. It is natural. Jealousy and control issues block people from wanting their mates to enjoy sexual variety. My husband and I both want each other to enjoy our sexual capacity. Having sexual variety is a wonderful pleasure that all humans, male and female, crave.

Think about all of the taboos. Where do they come from. Sarah ASKED her husband to fuck Hagar because she could not have children. There is not a hint of scolding from God in the account. Abraham is held out as "God's friend" - not as an evil fucker.

Try to clear your mind from the religious man made bullshit and not be a victim of "group think." Take a fresh look. Think objectively.

If religion really represented God do you think they would have caused all the bloodshed that we see in history. Most religions have been a force for evil not good. Don't blame God for what man has done.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. 100%

 

[MKvDeepSea]

https://i.imgur.com/3ycVTAq.gif

LOL! JerseyJade! I love it! Sharing the link with some of my friends! Thankyou!