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"Fahrenheit 9/11" won the Palme d'Or at the recent Cannes film festival. I was stunned, thinking on some of the masterpieces of cinema that have received that honor in the past, but then realized the vote was a message from Europe. If so, I applaud it, and will see this film, no matter how I may feel aftewards. I'd rather not have any comments to this thread than political rants, however it's a public forum, eh?. I merely thought the contents of this essay important to share. - Perdita

Michael Moore's Candid Camera - Frank Rich, NYTimes, May 23, 2004

But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? And watch him suffer."
— Barbara Bush on "Good Morning America" - March 18, 2003


SHE needn't have worried. Her son wasn't suffering. In one of the several pieces of startling video exhibited for the first time in Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," we catch a candid glimpse of President Bush some 36 hours after his mother's breakfast TV interview — minutes before he makes his own prime-time TV address to take the nation to war in Iraq. He is sitting at his desk in the Oval Office. A makeup woman is doing his face. And Mr. Bush is having a high old time. He darts his eyes about and grins, as if he were playing a peek-a-boo game with someone just off-camera. He could be a teenager goofing with his buds to relieve the passing tedium of a haircut.

"In your wildest dreams you couldn't imagine Franklin Roosevelt behaving this way 30 seconds before declaring war, with grave decisions and their consequences at stake," said Mr. Moore in an interview before his new documentary's premiere at Cannes last Monday. "But that may be giving him credit for thinking that the decisions were grave." As we spoke, the consequences of those decisions kept coming. The premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11" took place as news spread of the assassination of a widely admired post-Saddam Iraqi leader, Ezzedine Salim, blown up by a suicide bomber just a hundred yards from the entrance to America's "safe" headquarters, the Green Zone, in Baghdad.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" will arrive soon enough at your local cineplex — there's lots of money to be made — so discount much of the squabbling en route. Disney hasn't succeeded in censoring Mr. Moore so much as in enhancing his stature as a master provocateur and self-promoter. And the White House, which likewise hasn't a prayer of stopping this film, may yet fan the p.r. flames. "It's so outrageously false, it's not even worth comment," was last week's blustery opening salvo by Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director. New York's Daily News reported that Republican officials might even try to use the Federal Election Commission to shut the film down. That would be the best thing to happen to Michael Moore since Charlton Heston granted him an interview.

Whatever you think of Mr. Moore, there's no question he's detonating dynamite here. From a variety of sources — foreign journalists and broadcasters (like Britain's Channel Four), freelancers and sympathetic American TV workers who slipped him illicit video — he supplies war-time pictures that have been largely shielded from our view. Instead of recycling images of the planes hitting the World Trade Center on 9/11 once again, Mr. Moore can revel in extended new close-ups of the president continuing to read "My Pet Goat" to elementary school students in Florida for nearly seven long minutes after learning of the attack. Just when Abu Ghraib and the savage beheading of Nicholas Berg make us think we've seen it all, here is yet another major escalation in the nation-jolting images that have become the battleground for the war about the war.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" is not the movie Moore watchers, fans or foes, were expecting. (If it were, the foes would find it easier to ignore.) When he first announced this project last year after his boorish Oscar-night diatribe against Mr. Bush, he described it as an exposé of the connections between the Bush and bin Laden dynasties. But that story has been so strenuously told elsewhere — most notably in Craig Unger's best seller, "House of Bush, House of Saud" — that it's no longer news. Mr. Moore settles for a brisk recap in the first of his film's two hours. And, predictably, he stirs it into an over-the-top, at times tendentious replay of a Bush hater's greatest hits: Katherine Harris, the Supreme Court, Harken Energy, AWOL in Alabama, the Carlyle Group, Halliburton, the lazy Crawford vacation of August 2001, the Patriot Act. But then the movie veers off in another direction entirely. Mr. Moore takes the same hairpin turn the country has over the past 14 months and crash-lands into the gripping story that is unfolding in real time right now.

Wasn't it just weeks ago that we were debating whether we should see the coffins of the American dead and whether Ted Koppel should read their names on "Nightline"? In "Fahrenheit 9/11," we see the actual dying, of American troops and Iraqi civilians alike, with all the ripped flesh and spilled guts that the violence of war entails. (If Steven Spielberg can simulate World War II carnage in "Saving Private Ryan," it's hard to argue that Mr. Moore should shy away from the reality in a present-day war.) We also see some of the 4,000-plus American casualties: those troops hidden away in clinics at Walter Reed and at Blanchfield Army Community Hospital in Fort Campbell, Ky., where they try to cope with nerve damage and multiple severed limbs. They are not silent. They talk about their pain and their morphine, and they talk about betrayal. "I was a Republican for quite a few years," one soldier says with an almost innocent air of bafflement, "and for some reason they conduct business in a very dishonest way."

Of course, Mr. Moore is being selective in what he chooses to include in his movie; he's a polemicist, not a journalist. But he implicitly raises the issue that much of what we've seen elsewhere during this war, often under the label of "news," has been just as subjectively edited. Perhaps the most damning sequence in "Fahrenheit 9/11" is the one showing American troops as they ridicule hooded detainees in a holding pen near Samara, Iraq, in December 2003. A male soldier touches the erection of a prisoner lying on a stretcher underneath a blanket, an intimation of the sexual humiliations that were happening at Abu Ghraib at that same time. Besides adding further corroboration to Seymour Hersh's report that the top command has sanctioned a culture of abuse not confined to a single prison or a single company or seven guards, this video raises another question: why didn't we see any of this on American TV before "60 Minutes II"?

Don Van Natta Jr. of The New York Times reported in March 2003 that we were using hooding and other inhumane techniques at C.I.A. interrogation centers in Afghanistan and elsewhere. CNN reported on Jan. 20, after the Army quietly announced its criminal investigation into prison abuses, that "U.S. soldiers reportedly posed for photographs with partially unclothed Iraqi prisoners." And there the matter stood for months, even though, as we know now, soldiers' relatives with knowledge of these incidents were repeatedly trying to alert Congress and news organizations to the full panorama of the story.

Mr. Moore says he obtained his video from an independent foreign journalist embedded with the Americans. "We've had this footage in our possession for two months," he says. "I saw it before any of the Abu Ghraib news broke. I think it's pretty embarrassing that a guy like me with a high school education and with no training in journalism can do this. What the hell is going on here? It's pathetic."

We already know that politicians in denial will dismiss the abuse sequence in Mr. Moore's film as mere partisanship. Someone will surely echo Senator James Inhofe's Abu Ghraib complaint that "humanitarian do-gooders" looking for human rights violations are maligning "our troops, our heroes" as they continue to fight and die. But Senator Inhofe and his colleagues might ask how much they are honoring soldiers who are overextended, undermanned and bereft of a coherent plan in Iraq. Last weekend The Los Angeles Times reported that for the first time three Army divisions, more than a third of its combat troops, are so depleted of equipment and skills that they are classified "unfit to fight." In contrast to Washington's neglect, much of "Fahrenheit 9/11" turns out to be a patriotic celebration of the heroic American troops who have been fighting and dying under these and other deplorable conditions since President Bush's declaration of war.

In particular, the movie's second hour is carried by the wrenching story of Lila Lipscomb, a flag-waving, self-described "conservative Democrat" from Mr. Moore's hometown of Flint, Mich., whose son, Sgt. Michael Pedersen, was killed in Iraq. We watch Mrs. Lipscomb, who by her own account "always hated" antiwar protesters, come undone with grief and rage. As her extended family gathers around her in the living room, she clutches her son's last letter home and reads it aloud, her shaking voice and hand contrasting with his precise handwriting on lined notebook paper. A good son, Sergeant Pedersen thanks his mother for sending "the bible and books and candy," but not before writing of the president: "He got us out here for nothing whatsoever. I am so furious right now, Mama."

By this point, Mr. Moore's jokes, some of them sub-par retreads of Jon Stewart's riffs about the coalition of the willing, have vanished from "Fahrenheit 9/11." So, pretty much, has Michael Moore himself. He told me that Harvey Weinstein of Miramax had wanted him to insert more of himself into the film — "you're the star they're coming to see" — but for once he exercised self-control, getting out of the way of a story that is bigger than he is. "It doesn't need me running around with my exclamation points," he said. He can't resist underlining one moral at the end, but by then the audience, crushed by the needlessness of Mrs. Lipscomb's loss, is ready to listen. Speaking of America's volunteer army, Mr. Moore concludes: "They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?"

"Fahrenheit 9/11" doesn't push any Vietnam analogies, but you may find one in a montage at the start, in which a number of administration luminaries (Cheney, Rice, Ashcroft, Powell) in addition to the president are seen being made up for TV appearances. It's reminiscent of Richard Avedon's photographic portrait of the Mission Council, the American diplomats and military figures running the war in Saigon in 1971. But at least those subjects were dignified. In Mr. Moore's candid-camera portraits, a particularly unappetizing spectacle is provided by Paul Wolfowitz, the architect of both the administration's Iraqi fixation and its doctrine of "preventive" war. We watch him stick his comb in his mouth until it is wet with spit, after which he runs it through his hair. This is not the image we usually see of the deputy defense secretary, who has been ritualistically presented in the press as the most refined of intellectuals — a guy with, as Barbara Bush would have it, a beautiful mind.

Like Mrs. Bush, Mr. Wolfowitz hasn't let that mind be overly sullied by body bags and such — to the point where he underestimated the number of American deaths in Iraq by more than 200 in public last month. No one would ever accuse Michael Moore of having a beautiful mind. Subtleties and fine distinctions are not his thing. That matters very little, it turns out, when you have a story this ugly and this powerful to tell.
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On the prize: 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Wins Top Prize at Cannes By A. O. SCOTT, NYTimes

CANNES, France, May 22 - At the awards ceremony that wrapped up the 57th Cannes Film Festival on Saturday night, the jury gave "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's stinging critique of the Bush administration's foreign policies, the Palme d'Or, the festival's top prize and one of the most coveted honors in international cinema.

The announcement, made by jury president Quentin Tarantino, met with enthusiastic cheers from the audience in the Grand Théâtre Lumière, where Mr. Moore's film had received what many thought was the longest standing ovation ever at Cannes when it was screened here last Monday. "What have you done?" Mr. Moore asked Mr. Tarantino as he accepted the prize, looking both overwhelmed and amused. "You just did this to mess with me, didn't you?"
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But Mr. Moore's victory outdid all of them. For one thing, Cannes is notoriously indifferent to documentaries. "Fahrenheit 9/11" was one of only three nonfiction films allowed in competition in nearly 50 years.

The meaning of Mr. Moore's Palme, however, extends far beyond the cozy, glamorous world of Cannes. "Last time I was on an awards stage in Hollywood, all hell broke loose," Mr. Moore said in his acceptance speech, referring to his antiwar remarks at the Oscars last year. His new film, which does not yet have an American distributor, has already begun to stir passions in the United States, as the election approaches and the debate over the conduct of the war in Iraq grows more intense.

With his characteristic blend of humor and outrage - and with greater filmmaking discipline and depth of feeling than he has shown in his previous work - Mr. Moore attacks Mr. Bush's response to Sept. 11, his decision to invade Iraq, and nearly everything else the president has done.

"I did not set out to make a political film," Mr. Moore said at a news conference after the ceremony. "I want people to leave thinking that was a good way to spend two hours. The art of this, the cinema, comes before the politics."

He also said that Mr. Tarantino had assured him that the political message of "Fahrenheit 9/11" did not influence the jury's decision. "On this jury we have different politics," he quoted Mr. Tarantino as saying. It is also a film financed by Miramax, which distributes Mr. Tarantino's movies.

Mr. Moore noted that four of the nine jurors were American: Mr. Tarantino, Kathleen Turner, the director Jerry Schatzberg, and the Haitian-born novelist Edwidge Danticat. "I fully expect the Fox News Channel and other right-wing media to portray this as an award from the French," Mr. Moore said. Only one juror, the actress Emanuelle Béart, is a French citizen.

"If you want to add Tilda," he said referring to the British actress Tilda Swinton, "then you could say that more than half came from the coalition of the willing." (The rest of the panel was made up of Benoit Poelvoode, a Belgian actor; Peter von Bagh, a Finnish critic; and the Hong Kong director Tsui Hark.) . . .
 
Michael Moore's work makes me see a parallell between the politic system of USA, and the art of my favourite author, JKR. In her latest book, OotP, she shows how the government is working very hard at covering up the distressing facts, and keeping people calm and shallow and believing in whatever the government allows the media to print. I see strong similarities between this fictious government and the American politicians.

Michael Moore is one of very few who has the guts to speak up. You will be very upset if you watch his movies. You'll feel like the government has cheated you, withheld the truth from you, and brainwashed you with empty phrases about religion and patriotism, until you believed more in those phrases than the truth itself.

It's very uncomfortable to wake up, but it makes you a better person. And it's scary to change the way a whole country works, but the change WILL be for the better.

I'm glad that Michael Moore gets credit for trying to tell the truth about USA today. And I hope there will be many Americans who will get to watch this film.

"A TRUE patriot is always ready to defend his country against itself."



PS) Perdita, do you SMOKE????:eek:
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Perdita, do you SMOKE????:eek:
Yes, SvenskaChiquita. I am addicted (and obviously flaunting it).

Perdita

p.s. I hope the Lit. people abroad will let us know what they think of Moore's film, presuming they get to see it before 'us'.
 
Smoking is bad for you, Perdyaya!:( Surely there must be better things you could put in your mouth..?
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Michael Moore's work makes me see a parallell between the politic system of USA, and the art of my favourite author, JKR. In her latest book, OotP, she shows how the government is working very hard at covering up the distressing facts, and keeping people calm and shallow and believing in whatever the government allows the media to print. I see strong similarities between this fictious government and the American politicians.

Michael Moore is one of very few who has the guts to speak up. You will be very upset if you watch his movies. You'll feel like the government has cheated you, withheld the truth from you, and brainwashed you with empty phrases about religion and patriotism, until you believed more in those phrases than the truth itself.

It's very uncomfortable to wake up, but it makes you a better person. And it's scary to change the way a whole country works, but the change WILL be for the better.

I'm glad that Michael Moore gets credit for trying to tell the truth about USA today. And I hope there will be many Americans who will get to watch this film.

"A TRUE patriot is always ready to defend his country against itself."



PS) Perdita, do you SMOKE????:eek:

Michael Moore is a funny guy, granted. But, Svenska, his films make you feel that way because he's a decent film maker and that's the way he wants you to feel. He's not the oracle on the mountain dispensing truth to the masses.
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Smoking is bad for you, Perdyaya!:( Surely there must be better things you could put in your mouth..?
Yeah, but with cigs I don't have to be nice in the morning. :p P.
 
cloudy said:
Michael Moore is a funny guy, granted. But, Svenska, his films make you feel that way because he's a decent film maker and that's the way he wants you to feel. He's not the oracle on the mountain dispensing truth to the masses.

As long as the message gets through...:)
 
Svenskaflicka said:
As long as the message gets through...:)

It's all about perception, darlin'. There is no one truth about anything more complicated than the weather. And I'm not even really sure about that.
 
It's rather funny. Hubby was nagging me to see Bowling For Columbine and Roger & Me, and I hesitated a lot, because the movies sounded a)boring, b)depressing. Last time he came over, we rented BFC, and he almost sat on me to make me sit down and watch it.
I told him afterwards that I liked the movie, but that I feel that I could have done it better.
Now, I'm a big fan of Michael Moore, and I try to get hold of everything he's written or directed or produced or HTML-coded or doodled or whatever!:D
 
I've been thinking a lot lately about the american government and how they cover up so much. I would very much like to see some of Moore's films, this is the first I've heard of him. Thank you for this post, it was quite an enjoyable read.

I had one question though, "The Patriot Act" what exactly is that one. Is that about terrorism?

Thanks for sharing Perdita :)
 
Tolyk, glad you appreciated the post. This is from the ACLU website, there are of course varied opinions on the Patriot Act, but I'm with the ACLU here. - Perdita

Just 45 days after the September 11 attacks, with virtually no debate, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act. Many parts of this sweeping legislation take away checks on law enforcement and threaten the very rights and freedoms that we are struggling to protect. For example, without a warrant and without probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done.

The Department of Justice is expected to introduce a sequel, dubbed PATRIOT II, that would further erode key freedoms and liberties of every American.
 
perdita said:
Tolyk, glad you appreciated the post. This is from the ACLU website, there are of course varied opinions on the Patriot Act, but I'm with the ACLU here. - Perdita

Just 45 days after the September 11 attacks, with virtually no debate, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act. Many parts of this sweeping legislation take away checks on law enforcement and threaten the very rights and freedoms that we are struggling to protect. For example, without a warrant and without probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done.

The Department of Justice is expected to introduce a sequel, dubbed PATRIOT II, that would further erode key freedoms and liberties of every American.

What can you do to stop them from doing this?
 
Svenskaflicka said:
What can you do to stop them from doing this?
About as much as we were able to do to stop the war in Iraq. :mad: Plus, voting against Bush (maybe). P.
 
perdita said:
Tolyk, glad you appreciated the post. This is from the ACLU website, there are of course varied opinions on the Patriot Act, but I'm with the ACLU here. - Perdita

Just 45 days after the September 11 attacks, with virtually no debate, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act. Many parts of this sweeping legislation take away checks on law enforcement and threaten the very rights and freedoms that we are struggling to protect. For example, without a warrant and without probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done.

The Department of Justice is expected to introduce a sequel, dubbed PATRIOT II, that would further erode key freedoms and liberties of every American.

Yeah, sounds pretty much similiar to what I had heard. Thanks for the confirmation. Pretty messed up if you ask me. But thats why I like living in Canada.. heh..
 
Tolyk,

You may escape the threat of the Patriot Act, but for the most part, there is little added safety, living in Canada. These are issues which are shaping (or reshaping) the world.

Svenskaflicka,

The first thing we must do, is find out that these thing are being done. For the most part, CNN et al, are not telling us. Thus, the value of a Michael Moore.

Anybody interested in Michael Moore should check out: Michaelmoore.com

For a less – to use the article’s own phraseology – boorish site, visit PR Watch which, obviously watches how various news stories are spun, or distorted by differing Public Relations efforts.

Perdita,

I had not heard about the Cannes award.

As the Aussies say, “Good-on’im!
 
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for Tolyk...

the Patriot Act:
This law provides for indefinite imprisonment without trial of non-U.S. citizens whom the Attorney General has determined to be a threat to national security.

If you really want to read about it, you can here
 
And Tolyk...

As a Canadian, you should familiarize yourself with the term “extraordinary rendition.” It is government gobbledegook for outsourcing torture.

That’s what was done to Canadian, Maher Arar.

The url is from your own CBC News site.
 
Re: for Tolyk...

cloudy said:
the Patriot Act:
This law provides for indefinite imprisonment without trial of non-U.S. citizens whom the Attorney General has determined to be a threat to national security.

If you really want to read about it, you can here


The Patriot Act also allows the government to strip a person's citizenship based on nothing more than suspicion of connection to a terrorist organization, and permits (actually, requires) that no information about such arrests and confinements be released to press or public.

Taken together with your reference above, the Act permits the government to legally "disappear" anyone it takes a dislike to.

Not good.
 
Now add in extraordinary rendition

Taken together with your reference above, the Act permits the government to legally "disappear" anyone it takes a dislike to.

Not good.

Add that to the special classes of prisoner, like "non-combatant enemies," or whatever the doublespeak is for them, and there are already three such special classes, special types of detainee with no Geneva convention rights and no citizen rights either, and you might find that the disappeared will be tortured, here or overseas.

In the language of the Act, it looks as if all you have to be is a "terrorist," and the way you get the label is that someone in the executive branch feels like labeling you.

Stasi, Gestapo, NKVD, Savak, Mossad, whatever. Just what the world needs.

cantdog
 
Re: Now add in extraordinary rendition

cantdog said:
Add that to the special classes of prisoner, like "non-combatant enemies," or whatever the doublespeak is for them, and there are already three such special classes, special types of detainee with no Geneva convention rights and no citizen rights either, and you might find that the disappeared will be tortured, here or overseas.

In the language of the Act, it looks as if all you have to be is a "terrorist," and the way you get the label is that someone in the executive branch feels like labeling you.

Stasi, Gestapo, NKVD, Savak, Mossad, whatever. Just what the world needs.

cantdog

The worst thing about the Act is that most Americans seem to buy it ... They should protest loudly against it, but instead accepted it quietly. Makes you worry, what stunt GWB will pull this time to get reelected ... (and what he might have up his sleep once this possible next stint at the Oval Office is over).

CA
 
I for one am looking foreward to seeing this movie when and if it is released here in the United States. (I know this surprises and maybe even shocks some of you, but it's true.)
How can I explain this? While I do not support the war in Iraq, I do support our troops over there. They are fighting a war with no defined end, and without the proper equipment to carry it through. They are not given clear goals, nor are they given clear Rules of Engagement to operate under. (Vietnam and Somalia all over again.) Once again they are not being given the support they need.
As for the Patriot Act, it is a kneejerk responseby people with their own agendas. It has in effect taken away the rights of United States Citizens while it's proponents are saying it defends our rights. I do not support it or any bill which will take away the rights of American Citizens. Not only do I support the rights of our people here, I have already paid for those rights. (Yes those rights even extend to the showing of ones underwear and other forms of self expression.)
Svenska, as for your smoking. While it is not a right, or even a form od self expression I find nothing wrong with it. It is a personal choice. (I myself prefer a cigar to a Ciggy, but that's my personal preference.) Much like ones preference for Bondes, Brunettes, or Redheads. (Me I like all of the above, although I wouldn't turn down a good looking woman if she were bald.)

Cat
 
Svenskaflicka said:
You DID, last time, and that didn't stop him!:rolleyes:
Note I said 'maybe'. It's still too far off, and he seems to be planning to get out of Iraq, but if enough damage has been done in revealing his lies and original intent, perhaps my and other votes will make a difference this time. Not too hopeful, but not despairing yet. P.
 
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smutpen said:
The Patriot Act also allows the government to strip a person's citizenship based on nothing more than suspicion of connection to a terrorist organization, and permits (actually, requires) that no information about such arrests and confinements be released to press or public.

Taken together with your reference above, the Act permits the government to legally "disappear" anyone it takes a dislike to.

Not good.

Just like Chile did in the 80'ies. Lots of people "disappeared" just because they stood up and said "I don't like the way the government is running this country."

I think that when a government starts to threaten the citizens in order to protect them, then it's clear that they're lying. In a truly FREE country, a citizen has the right to say, write, print, or in another way make public his opinions (with the exception of saying stuff like KILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE or BURN DOWN ALL THE CHURCHES AND MOSKS AND SYNAGOGUES), and the government has no right to silence him/her.

The way it is with USA today, it's not a government "of the people, for the people", but an elite group of professionals AGAINST the people. You're Hungary!:eek:
 
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