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So many people on the Left are mad at Facebook right now because a third party, Cambridge Analytica, might have misappropriated some data for the Trump campaign.

It turns out Facebook itself did the same thing directly in 2016 to aid the Obama campaign.

We’re discussing what many of you have noted on various social media platforms about the inherent left wing bias ingrained in the services. Well, one former data officer for the Obama campaign, Carol Davidsen, admitted that Facebook allowed them to break the rules because they were on their side....

Davidsen then detailed on Twitter how representatives from the social media company were surprised how much data they mined, adding that they were “very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side.”...

What we have here is an admission from a Democratic campaign manager that the most powerful social media platform in the first world is currently lending its untold amounts of data to a specific political party [Democrat]’s purposes.​

M. Vespa, Former Obama Staffer: Facebook Allowed Us To Break User Data Rules Because They Were On Our Side, Townhall (Mar. 20, 2018) (emphasis added).

Where is the liberal outrage at this?
 
All's fair in love and war when (D)'s are doing it.....

Their politics is just so fucking righteous the things they do are CLEARLY, only bad when (R)'s do it.

Almost as bad as Republicans with that hypocritical partisan bullshit too.
 
Did the Obama campaign have CA's foreign nationals embedded?

Cambridge Analytica and Its Foreign National Staff Violated U.S. Laws
...Cambridge Analytica “was effectively a shell” and any contracts for U.S. election work won by Cambridge Analytica were serviced by a London-based firm called SCL Group. These documents and former employees made clear that such work was “overseen” by Alexander Nix, a British citizen who was the chief executive of Cambridge Analytica (suspended last week) and also a director of SCL Group. Most of SCL Group’s employees and contractors were Canadian, like now-famous whistleblower Christopher Wylie, or European.

U.S. federal campaign finance law prohibits any foreign national from “directly or indirectly” making a contribution, donation, expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication in connection with any U.S. election. 52 U.S.C. § 30121(a)(1).
The Tromp campaign was a shell run by foreigners. Go figure.
 
Where is the liberal outrage at this?

A U.S. company helping a campaign by doing things which wouldn't normally be done?

I'm shocked! This has never happened before in over 200 years and a multitude of presidential elections.

If you can't see the difference between a foreign company (or country) directly (in the case of Russia) or indirectly interfering with a U.S. election, and a U.S. company bending over backwards to help a political candidate, you might be an uneducated.
 
And the dems only care about (falsely alleged) election meddling when it costs their candidate but are perfectly OK with fixing foreign elections.

Even on the other side of the Cambridge Analytica leaf is that they mined tens of millions of peoples personal information without their consent and sold it for profit also without the consent of people they harvested from, which Facebook acts as though they're so outraged by, while they are simultaneously involved in an a class action lawsuit from Illinois for covertly harvesting and selling their users biometric data.

(two democrat instances but by no means are these kinds of cases limited to just the dems) The dems recently announced a wave of litigation against the use of bot armies to boost political social media coverage, turns out they employ a few thousand bots themselves.

You can't actually be shocked to learn that politicians are two-faced?
 
Look, Democrats!

Sorry, that deflection won't work.

Tromp is owned by Russian money. Tromp's campaign was illegal. Have a nice day.
 
If true, where are the indictments?

Gargle Trump Russia indictments

Patience, grasshopper. More to come. Stay tuned.

Also for your edification: Klein conspiracy

They're asking where are the *indictments for biasing the election results as claimed?

>Nowhere because it's already been demonstrated that no votes were altered. Therefore the entire claim that he was installed by any foreign government collapses.
It's honestly amazing how much rabid coverage there is over this conspiracy theory and nobody ever mentions how disgustingly corrupt the entire system is which is *way* more of an affront to democracy than any foreign spooks.
 
>Nowhere because it's already been demonstrated that no votes were altered. Therefore the entire claim that he was installed by any foreign government collapses.
It's honestly amazing how much rabid coverage there is over this conspiracy theory and nobody ever mentions how disgustingly corrupt the entire system is which is *way* more of an affront to democracy than any foreign spooks.

Please cite your source on the claim that it's been demonstrated that no votes were altered. I don't say that isn't possible (although it's irrelevant to the point), but I have seen evidence that the analysis was done that "proves" or "demonstrates" this conclusion.

But you really miss the point. The point is that the false news social media barrage against Clinton influenced votes--used lies to sour voters on her and/or encourage them just to stay home. That certainly happened and the Russian media campaign contributed. Don't be dumb about this.

You're right, though, that something needs to be changed in a system that has the electoral college and popular vote so out of whack that 3 million more votes than your opponent can't swing the election your way. The electoral college was established to get the smaller states to play the nation game at a time when factors were such that the separate states had more authority than they do now and a few larger ones overwhelmed several smaller ones. The United States is now an ultra mobile country. There's no reason why individual states should have weighted protection in a national election at all. We could more fairly go to equal individual voting power now--and should have done so by now. Republican and rural state factions are only blocking it because it's making them more equal in power than others area.

P.S. Save your "no indictments" for this and that idiocy until the investigation is over. Are you folks really this dumb?
 
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I see nobody here followed up on Klein conspiracy. That's conspiracy to interfere with the operations of a federal agency. That's what Mueller charged the last batch of Russians with, conspiracy to fuck the Federal Elections Commission. Any Americans who worked with those Russian are indictable as co-conspirators.

Some of Tromp's Cabinet heads are working at fucking their agencies. Alas, that's legal. But it ain't legal for outsiders to bribe or collude with them. Still, I recall the Harding-Coolidge administration's Teapot Dome oil scandal, where SecInterior Col. Fall was convicted of taking the bribe that Ed Doheny was acquitted of giving. Same bribe, different juries. Go figure.

The Russian defense minister and the US UN ambassador have both declared that Russia is waging war on USA. Americans conspiring with an enemy state are dancing with the hangman. It's gonna get seriouser.
 
I see nobody here followed up on Klein conspiracy. That's conspiracy to interfere with the operations of a federal agency. That's what Mueller charged the last batch of Russians with, conspiracy to fuck the Federal Elections Commission. Any Americans who worked with those Russian are indictable as co-conspirators....

Except no one has alleged, much less shown any evidence, that those Russians were working with any Americans. The indictments suggest this was a Russian government operation. Nowhere do the indictments even hint of any Americans knowing of, or being involved in, these activities.
 
Except no one has alleged, much less shown any evidence, that those Russians were working with any Americans. The indictments suggest this was a Russian government operation. Nowhere do the indictments even hint of any Americans knowing of, or being involved in, these activities.

And you're dumb enough to think Mueller has ended with indictments, I take it. You're such a tool. You're also blind as a bat, ignoring evidence (including indictments and convictions) all over the place of Trump campaigners and officials colluding with the Russians--a new one on Gates this morning. Again, you're such a tool.

Guess you're wanting to share a prison cell with Trump and continue servicing him there.
 
Except no one has alleged, much less shown any evidence, that those Russians were working with any Americans.
From THE HILL, not exactly leftist:
Mueller team reveals Manafort business associate's connection to Russian intel service

Or try the CBS version:
Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent

Tromp's campaign manager worked directly with Russian state intelligence. Russia is "levying war" on the US. Tromp's team "adheres to the enemy". Read US Constitution, Article III, Section 3.

Keep squawking as the fox nears the henhouse.
 
From THE HILL, not exactly leftist:
Mueller team reveals Manafort business associate's connection to Russian intel service

Or try the CBS version:
Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent

Tromp's campaign manager worked directly with Russian state intelligence. Russia is "levying war" on the US. Tromp's team "adheres to the enemy". Read US Constitution, Article III, Section 3.

Keep squawking as the fox nears the henhouse.


Except none of these charges had anything to do with the Presidential campaign.
Funny how you didn't mention that.
 
Except none of these charges had anything to do with the Presidential campaign.
Funny how you didn't mention that.
So what? Mueller's orders are to probe Russian election tampering (for which he's issued indictments) AND any crimes discovered while investigating that. No time limit. If you're a fucking felon and traitor, it doesn't matter WHEN you did the fucking felony and treason -- unless statutes of limitations kick in, N/A here. Team Tromp selling out to Russian money? Go directly to jail.
 
From THE HILL, not exactly leftist:
Mueller team reveals Manafort business associate's connection to Russian intel service

Or try the CBS version:
Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent

Tromp's campaign manager worked directly with Russian state intelligence. Russia is "levying war" on the US. Tromp's team "adheres to the enemy". Read US Constitution, Article III, Section 3.

Keep squawking as the fox nears the henhouse.

So what? Mueller's orders are to probe Russian election tampering (for which he's issued indictments) AND any crimes discovered while investigating that. No time limit. If you're a fucking felon and traitor, it doesn't matter WHEN you did the fucking felony and treason -- unless statutes of limitations kick in, N/A here. Team Tromp selling out to Russian money? Go directly to jail.

What is the claim you're actually making here? I.e. what are you alleging actually happened in the 2016 election?
We already know no votes were changed so he was ultimately fairly elected purely by the (admittedly poor) choices of Americans. So what is the actual factor or event that is being alleged which got him 'unfairly' elected? In the example from your quote; his campaign manager worked/corresponded directly with a Russian agent. I assume that's true and the agent was a direct go-between between the manager and the Russian gov. Ok, I see the rife potential for illegalities and I don't doubt some shady stuff went down, but neither you nor that article has explained how whatever illegal actions that took place between the two managed to get Trump elected to the American throne?

The question here isn't whether or not Trumps campaign is corrupt or full of criminals, of course they are, I think you saw the spree of links I put up a week or so ago demonstrating his actual corrupt collusion with predatory payday lenders. So you know I don't disagree that they likely did some ethically and legal questionable things to try and get an edge on the election. But there still hasn't been any explanation as to how those alleged actions swayed enough votes to get him elected, nor a verifiable study demonstrating that any alleged illegally-swayed votes (assuming that's even a thing??) made a statistically significant difference and that he wouldn't have won anyway without them.
 
We already know no votes were changed

No we don't know that--no one can know that--and I challenged you on the point the last time you posted it and asked you for a source citation on that. You didn't provide it; you just repeated a statement that can't possibly be known. You can't prove such a negative.

I also noted that it's irrelevant to the issue. The social media campaign orchestrated by Russia made a significant number of people reassess their views--based on lies given to influence the election in Russia's chosen direction. Therefore the voting was adversely affected toward Trump and away from Clinton (even though she still significantly won the popular vote). Whether you like it or not, researchers of such things have been saying that for over a year.
 
No we don't know that--no one can know that--and I challenged you on the point the last time you posted it and asked you for a source citation on that. You didn't provide it; you just repeated a statement that can't possibly be known. You can't prove such a negative.
I didn't see your challenge.
Anyway, we actually do know there is *no evidence any votes were changed.

US cybersecurity agencies went over the voter registration rolls with a fine toothed comb and found that the rolls in 20 states were probed prior to the US election. NBC then published this literally 'fake news' article, totally forgetting that the probing occurred prior to the election, implying that votes were changed.
Bill Priestap, assistant director of the FBI’s counter-intelligence division, then testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that there is no evidence of any future attacks or that any votes were altered after the election. Jeannette Manfra, a cyber-security official at the Department of Homeland Security, said the decentralized nature of U.S. elections means that an attempt to penetrate state systems and change results would be “virtually impossible” to accomplish without being detected.

If you want to imply that votes were changed then you must be sitting on a ton of evidence unknown to US officials.
I also noted that it's irrelevant to the issue. The social media campaign orchestrated by Russia made a significant number of people reassess their views--based on lies given to influence the election in Russia's chosen direction. Therefore the voting was adversely affected toward Trump and away from Clinton (even though she still significantly won the popular vote). Whether you like it or not, researchers of such things have been saying that for over a year.
The popular vote is irrelevant to this conversation. We all know the US electoral system is fundamentally undemocratic already.

The only study that could prove that is one where they survey Trump voters and show their reasons for voting for him to be the result of Russian-generated propaganda. And then prove that enough of those people would otherwise have definitely voted for Clinton to mean she would have won. Any researchers claiming anything without doing that is just unsubstantiated claims. I'm open to the idea that happened, but there's no evidence to show that as of now. And likely never will be.

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What I really want to know from you is if there is anything Trump could do to prove he's not a Putin puppet. E.g. he put thousands of troops directly on Russias border, is actively trying to topple (nigh-unilaterally I might add) Putin's main allies (Syria/Iran) in the middle east, and just expelled 60 diplomats and shut down the Seattle embassy. Just some of the biggest examples of his escalation with Russia.

Why do you think he'd take those actions if he's in league with Putin?
 
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That doesn't mean you or anyone else can flatly say not a single vote was turned by Russian meddling (beyond the note that Russian cyber campaign obviously turned some votes and/or kept voters home who otherwise would have voted for Clinton, who won the popular vote anyway. She lost by some very clever working of electoral college voting, and Trump and his small gang just aren't that clever on their own).

No one is able to make the flat statement you're making. That's physically impossible to know--and you haven't provided the requested source that claims that. No one has total control over what has/can happen to every single vote.

But that's OK. It doesn't really matter what you think about it. You're just being very naïve.
 
That doesn't mean you or anyone else can flatly say not a single vote was turned by Russian meddling (beyond the note that Russian cyber campaign obviously turned some votes and/or kept voters home who otherwise would have voted for Clinton, who won the popular vote anyway. She lost by some very clever working of electoral college voting, and Trump and his small gang just aren't that clever on their own).
"Obviously."
Prove it happened and it was statistically significant and I'll believe it. What you just touted is literally a conspiracy theory.
No one is able to make the flat statement you're making. That's physically impossible to know--and you haven't provided the requested source that claims that. No one has total control over what has/can happen to every single vote.

But that's OK. It doesn't really matter what you think about it. You're just being very naïve.
I'm not making a black and white statement that it totally didn't happen. I'm denying it happened to a degree that he wouldn't have won anyway without it.
The sources are out there, I gave you the names and events you need to google, go and find a source you trust that reported it. I know it doesn't make me look good but I honestly can't be bothered right now.
 
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