F**k Christianity, the Bible, Everything!

[virginsuccubus]

I wonder . . . how far will you go to keep the peace with family members when it comes to religious beliefs? I know there is a difference between respecting your elders and submitting to them like a weak thing. Recently, I have decided to not be a Christian. The religion no longer makes any f**king sense to me, and reading the bible only made me feel miserable (I'm bisexual). My poor churchy grandmother doesn't know that about me yet, and she misses me. I don't go to church with her anymore. I hardly visit her at all (she tends to bring religion inappropiately, and all I can do is fake a smile and not give any revealing info). This woman has tried to get me to allow perfect strangers to hug me and rub my body (in a "churchy" way, no sexy stuff) in the name of getting "saved" at a church. I just can't stand the woman, but deep down I love her. Do you feel that in order to respect family members, one should at last pretend to accept their religion if you don't agree with it? I'm not always sure.

 

[swordandsandle]

I wonder . . . how far will you go to keep the peace with family members when it comes to religious beliefs? I know there is a difference between respecting your elders and submitting to them like a weak thing. Recently, I have decided to not be a Christian. The religion no longer makes any f**king sense to me, and reading the bible only made me feel miserable (I'm bisexual). My poor churchy grandmother doesn't know that about me yet, and she misses me. I don't go to church with her anymore. I hardly visit her at all (she tends to bring religion inappropiately, and all I can do is fake a smile and not give any revealing info). This woman has tried to get me to allow perfect strangers to hug me and rub my body (in a "churchy" way, no sexy stuff) in the name of getting "saved" at a church. I just can't stand the woman, but deep down I love her. Do you feel that in order to respect family members, one should at last pretend to accept their religion if you don't agree with it? I'm not always sure.

Religon is entirly a matter of personal choice. If you respect her desicion to stay with this paradoxial beleif system (which I support your abandonment of all the way), then eventaully she'll see that there is nothing wrong with not being Christian. Respect breeds respect.

And I offer you welcome to the Athiests of the World, should you choose to follow that path. If you still can't give up religon, I recommend my fahter's faith, Hinduism, for somebody of your mindset

 

[virginsuccubus]

My personal beliefs

Religon is entirly a matter of personal choice. If you respect her desicion to stay with this paradoxial beleif system (which I support your abandonment of all the way), then eventaully she'll see that there is nothing wrong with not being Christian. Respect breeds respect. And I offer you welcome to the Athiests of the World, should you choose to follow that path. If you still can't give up religon, I recommend my fahter's faith, Hinduism, for somebody of your mindset

Actually, I don't know if I'm technically an athiest. I believe there is something out there, maybe an underworld similar to the one the Greek god Hades ruled. Maybe there's a reincarnation system. I don't know. I don't really care. I'm happy not knowing. I think nobody really knows. Thank you for your input. Is Hinduism an easy religion to follow? I'm fairly lazy when it comes to worshipping stuff.

 

[Trixabell]

It's so hard when family members dont understand your choices or needs. Somehow being Catholic works for me but I dont expect it to work for anyone but me. I wish you the best and hopefully those that love you will do so no matter what. Unfortunately with people that are fundamentalist they really believe that if they dont save you that you will go to hell so they are pestering you because they love you - although that dosent make it easier to deal with.

 

[Vixandra]

I can understand what you're going through, at least a little bit.

My birth-creature went Born Again and that forever turned me off of Christianity when I was 16.

I've since married a Catholic and his mother and I have gotten into it a few times. Especially over the children I don't even have yet and whether they'll be baptized.

The best you can do is say that its your life. Respect their beliefs, even if you don't share them and refuse to participate in them. Ask that they do the same. It doesn't always work, but at least you tried.

I don't hide what I am from any of my family. I wear a pentacle, celebrate the Sabbaths and say "Oh, gods." They either deal with it or ignore it if they want to see me.

 

[Epmd607]

Disco sucks, fuck everything

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[swordandsandle]

Actually, I don't know if I'm technically an athiest. I believe there is something out there, maybe an underworld similar to the one the Greek god Hades ruled. Maybe there's a reincarnation system. I don't know. I don't really care. I'm happy not knowing. I think nobody really knows. Thank you for your input. Is Hinduism an easy religion to follow? I'm fairly lazy when it comes to worshipping stuff.

Oh, I understand. Just inviting you is all.


Easy.... Faith and Religon is never easy, although I think from a worldveiw standpoint, Hinduism would be fairly simple to follow. Basically, the whole point is to find the underlying truths of reality so you can escape the constant cycle of life/death/reincarnation.

 

[Colorados]

I'm in the agnostic-leaning-toward-atheist crowd, with a grandfather who is an Episcopal priest and living in the middle of the bible belt. Whenever the topic comes up with fundamentalists or people that I guess might be, I skirt around it as carefully as I can, normally pretending to still be very Episcopal.
People I know I will talk to about what I believe if they're interested, but most of the time I don't think it's worth the effort to explain what and why I believe there probably isn't a God, especially one like they imagine.

 

[OzoneRed]

I'm also in the agnostic-leaning-toward-atheist group. My siblings, parents, grandparents, and ancestors all the way back to Noah have been deeply religious fundementalist Christians.

I remember, when I was Christian, how disturbed I was about the number of people who were going to Hell. Even people I loved.

Today, when I'm with family, I'm a hypocrite. I pretend to be Christian, simply to spare them the pain of "knowing" that I'm going to Hell. Costs me nothing, makes them feel good.

Fortunately, I don't see them very often.

 

[John Doe]

I wonder . . . how far will you go to keep the peace with family members when it comes to religious beliefs? I know there is a difference between respecting your elders and submitting to them like a weak thing. Recently, I have decided to not be a Christian. The religion no longer makes any f**king sense to me, and reading the bible only made me feel miserable (I'm bisexual). My poor churchy grandmother doesn't know that about me yet, and she misses me. I don't go to church with her anymore. I hardly visit her at all (she tends to bring religion inappropiately, and all I can do is fake a smile and not give any revealing info). This woman has tried to get me to allow perfect strangers to hug me and rub my body (in a "churchy" way, no sexy stuff) in the name of getting "saved" at a church. I just can't stand the woman, but deep down I love her. Do you feel that in order to respect family members, one should at last pretend to accept their religion if you don't agree with it? I'm not always sure.

No. I never really understood the idea that it's more acceptable to lie to loved ones than to strangers.

 

[teknight]

No. I never really understood the idea that it's more acceptable to lie to loved ones than to strangers.

It's simple, really. You can get away with telling the truth to strangers- it might even be liberating, to an extent. They don't know you, they can't verify it, so you get away scott-free

 

[Zaithian]

I'm actually running into a similar problem myself, not being bisexual or gay myself, but I am being told to go to church, just that my personal beliefs are wrong! I find it insulting for someone to say spiritually that I'm wrong even though I am a good person. Im Buddhist, how can you say that we're bad people who are not going to be "saved"? Who gave you such a right?

I have a buddy of mine where his wife is convinced that I need to be "saved" because I've been sad lately, just because of personal crap you know? Like the life altering one where reality takes brass knuckles to you, and you know you cant help but be sad. My friend understand what Im going through isnt spritual just human stuff. He is glad that my soul is at peace with my own beliefs, and is just being a friend. THough his wife and some of her chruch friends are convinced that I need to be Christian to be a good person. And its like why? I've had multiple conversations saying my beliefs are my own and its not a concern of hers. Well a lot of them turned into arguments almost.

I've studied Christianity and went to church a few times, as I was always the odd one out, but I felt like it wasnt for me. They punished and scolded you for so much, and that god could just make it all go away. You were punished for being born and being human, that I just didnt like it. Why should you be punished for being you and so easily forgiven just for following their god?

It didnt fit me, and I dont see why the older generation feels it's their duty to drill it into the younger ones minds that they have to do as they are told by god.

Why cant we just respect one another and be like you know they are happy, their beliefs are their own and not like they are harming anyone.

 

[John Doe]

I'm actually running into a similar problem myself, not being bisexual or gay myself, but I am being told to go to church, just that my personal beliefs are wrong! I find it insulting for someone to say spiritually that I'm wrong even though I am a good person. Im Buddhist, how can you say that we're bad people who are not going to be "saved"? Who gave you such a right?

I have a buddy of mine where his wife is convinced that I need to be "saved" because I've been sad lately, just because of personal crap you know? Like the life altering one where reality takes brass knuckles to you, and you know you cant help but be sad. My friend understand what Im going through isnt spritual just human stuff. He is glad that my soul is at peace with my own beliefs, and is just being a friend. THough his wife and some of her chruch friends are convinced that I need to be Christian to be a good person. And its like why? I've had multiple conversations saying my beliefs are my own and its not a concern of hers. Well a lot of them turned into arguments almost.

I've studied Christianity and went to church a few times, as I was always the odd one out, but I felt like it wasnt for me. They punished and scolded you for so much, and that god could just make it all go away. You were punished for being born and being human, that I just didnt like it. Why should you be punished for being you and so easily forgiven just for following their god?

It didnt fit me, and I dont see why the older generation feels it's their duty to drill it into the younger ones minds that they have to do as they are told by god.

Why cant we just respect one another and be like you know they are happy, their beliefs are their own and not like they are harming anyone.

Part of Christian doctrine is the belief that the soul of anyone who isn't Christian is damned to Hell and must be saved. Some denominations in particular strongly encourage or require their followers to actively attempt to convert people.

If I were Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim or some other religion I might be offended by the attempt to convert me (I would probably be insulted by even the mere attempt which would question the validity of my own faith), but I don't really have any religious beliefs, so it doesn't bother me. It's something that's not unique to Christianity anyway.

 

[MisterGone]

Dear virginsuccubus,

>Begin sermon.

Honesty is the only way to deal with people; Family, friends or strangers.
Anything less will corrode your spirit.

You don't need to bring -or provoke- anger when you assert your own beliefs.
Remain calm, speak clearly, stand your ground.

Tell the truth about who you are, and if you are honestly loved, it will be accepted.
Seriously question your relationship with anyone who rejects you, on the basis of religion alone.

Hide from no one.
Find your own truth, and live within it.
Be happy.

>End sermon.

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[KinkStevens]

religion is dumb...my opinion

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[John Doe]

Made up bullshit. People actually believe the allegorical tales laced in these books. No ones coming down out the sky. Shit, Jesus is late. And if he were to come, what the hello is he going to do, really? If Jesus (there is no evidence he actually existed) was real and died for OUR sins and is all omnipotent, he should of known dying on a cross wasn't going to change shit. Matter fact the worlds been worst w his name in it

Yes, there is evidence he existed, actually. He's sometimes referred to as the historical Jesus, as distinct from the biblical Jesus who was supposedly the son of God and resurrected after his crucifixion.

 

[KinkStevens]

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[Dixon Carter Lee]

This is correct.

As a matter of fact, the only real historical evidence for Jesus has been discounted by Historians. Look up Josephus yourself, because I'm too busy posting about the best way to remove Ben-Wa balls after death.

 

[John Doe]

You couldn't be more incorrect. That's the propaganda bs they gave. Historical Jesus. Ha. There are no authentic accounts or records of his whereabouts, miracles, and deeds. No historian ever ever wrote of him, yet there were many historians in that area at that time. Jesus is an allegory gone bad. That's that history channel deception bs. The Story of Jesus is the allegory of procession of the Sun, hence his birthday being on the start of the winter solstice and his so called resurrection being on the spring equinox. This story has been repeated a billion times throughout human history. It's not unique...the Roman government made him a deity when they realized his story was the peoples favorite tale. If anyone believes that the men who so called killed him are the ones who praised him, us lacking in cognitive deduction...but that's what religion does, takes the intelligence out of a thing. Historical Jesus, laughable

This is correct.

As a matter of fact, the only real historical evidence for Jesus has been discounted by Historians. Look up Josephus yourself, because I'm too busy posting about the best way to remove Ben-Wa balls after death.

Just because you guys have a problem with Christianity doesn't mean you can deny reality and expect others to go long with it just o your say-so. Hmm, taking someone's word for something without considering any logic or evidence, that seems familiar...oh yeah, that's like religion.

Historical Jesus

Wow, that's a long article and a lot of citations for someone who didn't really exist.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Wow, that's a long article and a lot of citations for someone who didn't really exist.

Yeah. Did you read it?

 

[KinkStevens]

The funniest part

"The Historical Jesus is a scholarly reconstruction of the first-century figure Jesus of Nazareth.[1] This reconstruction is based upon historical methods[2] including critical analysis of gospel texts as the primary source for his biography..."

That's like defining a word with the word itself...Shed the old age people. The symbols of the 2 fish just isn't relevant anymore, it is no longer the DAWN of Aquarius. We are in it...On that note, I'm getting back to porn...

 

[John Doe]

Yeah. Did you read it?

Yes. Did you?

 

[bahamadya]

I believe that whatever gets someone through their day is fine by me. If someone believes a Bratwurst is almighty, go for it, as long as you get up and start your day. I am sick and tired of others trying to force feed religion down one's throat. This Church of the Open-door continues to stop by my house, which religious debate does not seem to keep them away nor opening the door nude with whip cream on the nipples. I have settled with they are not able to get through their day without knocking on a few doors. I assume this is what pleases them with their religion. Wacky, as for me I am not sure whether there is anything out there or not and am satisfied with the contentment with life I feel in my heart. I jump start everyday by loving myself, no shit, I am wonderful and enjoy myself immensly. Therefore being agnostic has satisfied any religious craving I might have had. My parents raised me Unitarian Universalist and I thank them for it

 

[swordandsandle]

I believe that whatever gets someone through their day is fine by me. If someone believes a Bratwurst is almighty, go for it, as long as you get up and start your day. I am sick and tired of others trying to force feed religion down one's throat. This Church of the Open-door continues to stop by my house, which religious debate does not seem to keep them away nor opening the door nude with whip cream on the nipples. I have settled with they are not able to get through their day without knocking on a few doors. I assume this is what pleases them with their religion. Wacky, as for me I am not sure whether there is anything out there or not and am satisfied with the contentment with life I feel in my heart. I jump start everyday by loving myself, no shit, I am wonderful and enjoy myself immensly. Therefore being agnostic has satisfied any religious craving I might have had. My parents raised me Unitarian Universalist and I thank them for it

Same here (um...) I'm going to assume brother, except for the last part.

Born a nothing, started out as a jew (not becuse my father was one, he's hindu, but becuse it felt like the right thing to do). Got older, questioned my faith , and found out it diden't stand.

Just love humanity

 

[John Doe]

Yes. Did you?

*crickets*

I'll take that as a no.