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Wow. When I looked back at my question, it was redacted.
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Wow. When I looked back at my question, it was redacted.
BoyNextDoor
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The F-35 Just Catches on Fire Sometimes
And the Pentagon knew that for years
The F-35 Lightning II is supposed to be America’s primary warplane for the next several decades. But here’s one big problem. The F-35 can catch on fire … just while trying to take off.
And the Pentagon knew that for years
The F-35 Lightning II is supposed to be America’s primary warplane for the next several decades. But here’s one big problem. The F-35 can catch on fire … just while trying to take off.
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The F-35 was a bad idea right from the start.
It is absurdly overpriced (even for the government) and with rife with mechanical defects.
It is absurdly overpriced (even for the government) and with rife with mechanical defects.
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Bradley's are the BOMB man...I mean I was always a leg grunt but I tell ya what having one of those BAMF's show up and 25mm a problem away never failed to give me wood.
This.^^^.Better yet when you got to catch a ride. The only problem was the assholes in them charging 20 for a pack of smokes as they did not have to hump shit...
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Except the Bradley is not supposed to be the be-all, end-all for every vehicle in the military. Its role is highly defined:
The role of the M2 infantry fighting vehicle is to transport infantry on the battlefield, to provide fire cover to dismounted troops and to suppress enemy tanks and fighting vehicles.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/
It does not replace tanks, artillery or rocket systems, provide either air support or air suppression, nor does it haul anything (other than troops or ammunition).
Whereas the F-35 is supposed to provide stand off air support/suppression, bombing capabilities, ground attack and support and reconnaissance. Not to mention coming in three different varieties for different branches of the services (Air Force, Marines and Navy).
It can't even use warm gas from a fuel truck:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-run-on-warm-gas-from-a-fuel-truck-that-sa-1668120726
The program needs to be scaled back and pick one or two roles it's supposed to fill and do them well. Not this, "Oh look, shiny!" crap.
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I can understand this fighter if it is intended to be unmanned.
But who the hell wants to fly a one engined fighter?
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It's true...they are like a ultra high dollar trading post on tracks.
Rides are always nice esp on the way home after a long couple weeks in the field. However overseas we tended to keep our distance away from them....things are fuckin' bad juju magnets. Get in or keep a good distance, never hang out.
Except it is....it's like a C-130 Spectre with an F22 escort.....except it has tracks instead of wings, and 11B's instead of F22's...
It does it all....
http://twentyfirstsummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Resized-ac130-2.jpg
God damn I love those things....arguably one of the single most destructive weapons platforms out there. It's like a USN battle cruiser in the air and unlike all the lil cool guy birds that scream bye for a 2-3 hit wonder it can hang out and pwn the fuck out of a city all god damn afternoon.
Now that's gangsta....
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Jesus, you're dumb. There have been several single engine jet fighter aircraft throughout modern aviation history, including the F-16 Fighting Falcon, the mainstay of U. S. air-to-air superiority since the mid 70s. Since there were other two-engine fighter aircraft designed and deployed PRIOR to the F-16, you would have to ask yourself why designers would revert to "inferior" single-engine technology for the F-16. Especially since, according to you, nobody would obviously want to fly it.
This from Wiki: The F-16 was scheduled to remain in service with the U.S. Air Force until 2025. The planned replacement was to be the F-35A version of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, which would gradually begin replacing a number of multi-role aircraft among the program's member nations. However due to delays in the JSF program, all USAF F-16s will get service life extension upgrades.
P. S. -- Obviously an engine failure in a single engine plane means the aircraft is "landing soon." But what do you think the advantage of a two engine fighter aircraft is if you have a single engine failure in the midst of aerial combat? Answer: You die sooner when the enemy quickly realizes his sudden superiority in speed and/or maneuverability. And speaking of maneuverability, two GOOD engines don't necessarily equate to a tighter turning arc based strictly on their increased power output over a single engine. Supermaneuverability of fighter aircraft in recent years has been achieved by "thrust vectoring" -- the ability of the engine(s) to swivel around a central point, and in so doing, supplement the control surface functions of ailerons, flaps, elevators and rudder.
Two vectoring engines clearly have a maneuverability advantage over a single fixed engine, but two fixed engines yield significantly less agility advantage over a single fixed power plant.
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It's true...they are like a ultra high dollar trading post on tracks.
Rides are always nice esp on the way home after a long couple weeks in the field. However overseas we tended to keep our distance away from them....things are fuckin' bad juju magnets. Get in or keep a good distance, never hang out.
Except it is....it's like a C-130 Spectre with an F22 escort.....except it has tracks instead of wings, and 11B's instead of F22's...
It does it all....
http://twentyfirstsummer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Resized-ac130-2.jpg
God damn I love those things....arguably one of the single most destructive weapons platforms out there. It's like a USN battle cruiser in the air and unlike all the lil cool guy birds that scream bye for a 2-3 hit wonder it can hang out and pwn the fuck out of a city all god damn afternoon.
I hated the spectre. Secured a few airports. They always rolled in first. The mission always turned in to cleaning up after them....
As far as bad ass my personal favorite was always the A-10. The BRRRRRRP sound surpassed all followed by the the sound of a Pig rock and rolling....
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LOL yea true, they did take the fun out of it for us a couple times but they are still money air support when you're being held up and need something leveled.
A-10's are fucking money.....never saw one in Iraq but they were staple close air support in Afghanistan next to Apache/cobras because they could get all up the tighter valleys/ridges/saddles nice and deep, unlike the fast movers and fat ass's.
I can't believe they are retiring it for the 35.....gives me sad face.
<- like this...
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A-10's are fucking money.....
I can't believe they are retiring it for the 35.....gives me sad face.
I'd have to get my calculator out to figure out how many Warthogs you could have for the price of one F-35.
After the F-111 fiasco, you'd have thought they wouldn't make the same mistake again— and you'd have been wrong.
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Mainstream media has finally picked up on what a turd burger this stupid jet is:
Joint Strike TURD BURGER
On June 29, the website War is Boring published excerpts of a test pilot's leaked report finding that the F-35 was "at a distinct energy disadvantage" in a mock dogfight in January and unable to turn quickly enough to engage the plane it is expected to replace, the F-16.
Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight: New stealth fighter is dead meat in an air battle
Joint Strike TURD BURGER
On June 29, the website War is Boring published excerpts of a test pilot's leaked report finding that the F-35 was "at a distinct energy disadvantage" in a mock dogfight in January and unable to turn quickly enough to engage the plane it is expected to replace, the F-16.
Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight: New stealth fighter is dead meat in an air battle
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That reminds me. Why in submarine movies are they always standing around without a chair even in sight? Red October, standing around. Red Tide, standing around. Widowmaker, standing around. Although to be fair to that last one perhaps Cold War-era Soviet subs really didn't have chairs.
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And then there's the f22
Can't have pilots going unconscious...
Exactly how many G's can a jet pull without its weakest link? How much lighter is it without all the life support?
Can't have pilots going unconscious...
Exactly how many G's can a jet pull without its weakest link? How much lighter is it without all the life support?
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I've heard that 9G's put almost everyone out. But I also heard one of the Mercury 7 astronauts, I think Alan Shepherd, pulled 11G's (!!!) on re-entry. Since I've also heard that at 4G it is impossible to keep your mouth closed, 11 is very much HOLY SHIT! That is just studly, no two ways about it.
And the plane can not only be lighter without a human pilot, it can be smaller, thereby have even less of a radar signature. Or the space and weight could go to having more fuel on board, for much longer endurance flights.
I'd also note that with a remote piloted aircraft, you could put cameras in a globe around it, and put the pilot in a room with monitors in a globe around him, and he'd have a view better than any pilot ever achieved inside the aircraft. Plus you could change pilots mid-flight.
There are so many advantages to the military for having RPVs, I can't see why they wouldn't.
An RPV rescue helicopter could carry one more patient per trip, minimum. And THAT can be a lifesaver. Bringing them in before the "Golden Hour" expires is critical.
Of course, I was in the Army, so I don't have the Air Forces attachment to pilots. 8)
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I'm not a pilot but my old man drove Aardvarks and Eagles so I'v heard a few things and what I heard from pickin' the Col's brain as a kid was that a human can survive up to about 15g's in a short burst...this is about what an ejection seat puts on a pilot that punches out. But apparently it's a pretty brutal ass beating and can even fuck you up/kill you if everything about it doesn't go perfectly. Lots of detached retinas, crushed disks in the spine, trashed necks, internal bleeding.
It's a rough ride.
http://i.imgur.com/t8vE3gT.gif
In a sustained pull most pilots start to lose it at about 7 G's and a real hoss can hold 9 for a solid few seconds and do the ultimate doughnut but most can't do 9 for more than a blip if they even got there before the plane figured out you were sleeping and leveled it out.
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I'm glad you posted this information because I was going to (after reading the most recent comments).
As to the astronauts, that 11g's is done on their back, the position most conducive to surviving high g loads because the force is spread out over a larger area. It's also why they are launched lying on their backs.
If they were to have re-entered face down their eyes would have literally come out of their heads during the few moments they were at max g load. Not something you want to happen.
Back to the F-35, I'm sure by now we've all heard how it couldn't best an F-16 in a dogfight, a 30 year old plane. The best article that I read came from FoxTrotAlpha, http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-beat-the-plane-its-replacing-in-a-dogfigh-1714712248. From the article:
The F-35 performed so dismally in a dogfight, that the test pilot remarked that the it had pretty much no place fighting other aircraft within visual range.
And it’s even worse than a mere maneuverability issue. At one point, the pilot’s helmet was so big he couldn’t even turn his head inside the cockpit.
The test pilot flying the F-35 makes it very clear that the new jet, even in its ideal configuration without any external stores, was no match against a Block-40 F-16C in a less-than-ideal configuration with a pair of under-wing fuel tanks:
Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement.
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All true shit.
Good ol' falcons man....great bird.
They should have scrapped the 35/JSF and just made some carrier capable Raptors... folding wings, boss landing gear etc. like one squad per carrier group or w/e and just kept with the Falcon/Super Hornet as a workhorse until WWIII broke out and we really needed to go lay a beat down.
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO got fuck off money by the truck load
at least it's kinda cool looking. I bet they field a whole fleet of those turds before fixing it too.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-olc6HFOKgWE/UMqLlWgO3pI/AAAAAAAAANY/or-EzX-NdzI/s1600/F-35-Money-4-copy.jpg
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Is the $400 billion F-35's 'brain' broken?
(CNN)Almost 2,500 of the world's most advanced warplanes, with a total price tag of $400 billion, and they may not have a "brain" in the bunch?
That's the fear of federal watchdogs who say problems with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's complex logistics software system could lead to a grounding of the entire fleet, not to mention future cost increases and schedule delays.
Documenting risks to the F-35's Autonomic Logistics Information System, which Department of Defense officials have described as the "brains" of the fifth-generation fighter, an April 14 Government Accountability Office report says a failure "could take the entire fleet offline," in part, due to the lack of a backup system.
The report also outlines concerns related to the lack of testing done to ensure the software will work properly by the time the Air Force plans to declare its version of the aircraft ready for deployment this August and the Navy reaches that milestone in 2018.
(CNN)Almost 2,500 of the world's most advanced warplanes, with a total price tag of $400 billion, and they may not have a "brain" in the bunch?
That's the fear of federal watchdogs who say problems with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's complex logistics software system could lead to a grounding of the entire fleet, not to mention future cost increases and schedule delays.
Documenting risks to the F-35's Autonomic Logistics Information System, which Department of Defense officials have described as the "brains" of the fifth-generation fighter, an April 14 Government Accountability Office report says a failure "could take the entire fleet offline," in part, due to the lack of a backup system.
The report also outlines concerns related to the lack of testing done to ensure the software will work properly by the time the Air Force plans to declare its version of the aircraft ready for deployment this August and the Navy reaches that milestone in 2018.
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Heh, before the F-35 the most sand in the mangina air farce program was....the AMRAAM. Complete clusterfuck, to the point where chase planes had to double their "safety bubble". Like all software driven projects, it was a clusterfuck...until it worked.
Guess what ensures complete, utter, air superiority today?
The F-35 is going to be the same way, an utter POS until shockingly, it's not in development anymore. Any chucklehead that has successfully coded anything should know that.
Guess what ensures complete, utter, air superiority today?
The F-35 is going to be the same way, an utter POS until shockingly, it's not in development anymore. Any chucklehead that has successfully coded anything should know that.
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This is the same government that designed your mandatory health insurance program.
That's all I have to say...
That's all I have to say...
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What on earth did the F-35 do that the cloud needed to file a restraining order??
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That picture is of a cold war sub.
Pictured seated are the helmsman, the diving officer, the planesman and the chief of the watch.
Not shown, but to the far left of the picture would be the fire control tech, seated. And forward of him would be three sonar techs, seated.
And that's just in the control room.
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Jet jocks can walk into any bar and get all the pussy they can handle.
Do women get wet when they meet a drone operator?
Do women get wet when they meet a drone operator?
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I'd say this is pretty much the opposite of my experience and I have been running technology teams for 20 years. The exception being when I worked for the Air Force which was a complete cluster fuck and medocrity was considered achievement.
You must work in government as a sub-contractor.
