Exxon misled the public on Climate Change

[zipman]

Two years ago, Inside Climate News and Los Angeles Times investigations found that while Exxon Mobil internally acknowledged that climate change is man-made and serious, it publicly manufactured doubt about the science. Exxon has been trying unsuccessfully to smother this slow-burning PR crisis ever since, arguing the findings were “deliberately cherry picked statements.” But the company’s problems have grown to include probes of its business practices by the New York and Massachusetts attorneys general and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Their content analysis examines how 187 company documents treated climate change from 1977 through 2014. Researchers found that of the documents that address the causes of climate change, 83 percent of its peer-reviewed scientific literature and 80 percent of its internal documents said it was real and man-made, while the opposite was true of the ads. The researchers analyzed ads published in the New York Times between 1989 and 2004. In those ads, 81 percent expressed doubt about the scientific consensus, tending to emphasize the “uncertainty’ and “knowledge gap,” while just 12 percent affirmed the science.

http://www.motherjones.com/environm...e-researchers-just-called-the-companys-bluff/

 

[adrina]

Sounds like the cigarette companies.

 

[zipman]

Of course our RWCJ will never admit that the noble and pure oil companies might have an alternative reason for trying to publicly cast doubt on Climate Change.

Don't forget, Ish and A_J love science, as long as it doesn't get in the way of their partisan agenda.

 

[zipman]

Sounds like the cigarette companies.

Yup, exactly like them.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

Of course our RWCJ will never admit that the noble and pure oil companies might have an alternative reason for trying to publicly cast doubt on Climate Change.

Don't forget, Ish and A_J love science, as long as it doesn't get in the way of their partisan agenda.

AJ loves "Science," just as long as it supports his preferred narrative and does not involve rigorous logic. Otherwise it is a tool of those with a political agenda, a device to herd the sheeple closer towards an emotion-driven socialism. *nods*

 

[MGurkus]

I thought global warming was fake because liberals hate america and freedom? This is all getting so confusing. I will wait until queerbait or aj come in here and tell us how it's Obama's fault.

 

[Hypoxia]

I thought global warming was fake because liberals hate america and freedom? This is all getting so confusing. I will wait until queerbait or aj come in here and tell us how it's Obama's fault.

Wait till there's a hurricane Obama. That'll be proof.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Do shareholders demand Exxon do great climate science? No. Exxon shareholders demand Exxon improves the value of the shareholder's stocks. I don't see why we care about this.

 

[trysail]

Yeah, uh, huh.


ROTFLMFAO
Motherjones— riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, now there's a reliable source !!!

You clowns crack me up.


​

 

[zipman]

Yeah, uh, huh.


ROTFLMFAO
Motherjones— riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, now there's a reliable source !!!

You clowns crack me up.


​

Ah yes, our biggest climate change denier. Here are some links to other sites for you:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/climate/exxon-global-warming-science-study.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-exxon-idUSKCN1B31TR

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/exxon-misled-climate-change-harvard-study/index.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/peer-r...sled-the-public-on-climate-change-for-decades

 

[RobDownSouth]

Took Trysail ten hours to shoot the messenger, and she didn't even put up one of her purty cherry-picked graphs. She's slipping. SAD

 

[Peregrinator]

Yeah, uh, huh.


ROTFLMFAO
Motherjones— riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, now there's a reliable source !!!

You clowns crack me up.


​

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Peregrinator/Screenshot_2017-08-24-09-40-28_zpsosalfxoy.png

Source: http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position

 

[Hypoxia]

Do shareholders demand Exxon do great climate science? No. Exxon shareholders demand Exxon improves the value of the shareholder's stocks. I don't see why we care about this.

Shareholders are not the general population. Corporations are chartered and regulated by states to serve the public interest as well as shareholders' wallets. ExxonMobil shareholders might be much enriched if Exxon didn't have to do shit like clean up after spills, limit refinery pollution, etc. Poisoning us isn't in the public interest, right? By lying about their research results, Exxon screwed the public. That's us. You, me, kids, grandkids, et al. Let's see how lawsuits and fines affect Exxon shareholder value.

Now look up the definitions of "short-sighted" and 'cover-up'.

 

[Lancecastor]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Peregrinator/Screenshot_2017-08-24-09-40-28_zpsosalfxoy.png

Source: http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position

So hold it....Zipman was ......................lying?

I'm shocked at this turn of events.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Poisoning us isn't in the public interest, right?

Poisoning (and pollution) is illegal, for you, me and corporations. Failing to disclose private research isn't.

The tact NY is taking in this witch hunt is that Exxon is/was damaging their shareholders (again, shareholders are the only obligation corporations have) by failing to inform them that Exxon's future revenue streams may be damaged. Interesting tact, we'll see if it holds up in court. Hypothetical futures are a difficult bet. For me, I prefer my research to come from entities that are chartered to promote the common good/general populations: namely, government research.

 

[Hypoxia]

(again, shareholders are the only obligation corporations have)

Incorrect. Corporations are obliged to abide by all laws, rules, regulations, of jurisdictions in which they are chartered and operate. A jurisdiction can certainly oblige a corporation to release true information, not lies, which could constitute fraud or perjury.

 

[Adre]

So Tillerson is a serial liar and a Trump Cabinet choice? I don't believe it.

 

[Peregrinator]

So hold it....Zipman was ......................lying?

I'm shocked at this turn of events.

No, Zipman was careful in his use of verb tense. Exxon "misled", not "is misleading," though a case could be easily made for the latter as well.

 

[hsnh]

Ah yes, our biggest climate change denier. Here are some links to other sites for you:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/climate/exxon-global-warming-science-study.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-exxon-idUSKCN1B31TR

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/exxon-misled-climate-change-harvard-study/index.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/peer-r...sled-the-public-on-climate-change-for-decades

You know what annoys me about you Climate Change debaters - on both sides-?
It's like battle of the google for you all . Who can google and c&p the most no. of studies.

I appreciated it when phrodeau got down to it and explained why X and Y studies were biased , and why Z were not.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

You know what annpys me about you guys - on both sides-?

It's

It's...

*waits for the inevitable five rounds of pointless edits*

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny

It's...

*waits for the inevitable five rounds of pointless edits*

I'm glad I joined a porn site and got away from all the political bullshit!


Now lite up a cigarette and pump some Exxon gas.

 

[zipman]

You know what annoys me about you Climate Change debaters - on both sides-?
It's like battle of the google for you all . Who can google and c&p the most no. of studies.

I appreciated it when phrodeau got down to it and explained why X and Y studies were biased , and why Z were not.

Exactly how stupid are you?

Did you even read this thread before commenting?

I mean, seriously, you have to be a fucking moron.

 

[zipman]

And today, for the first time ever, a cargo ship crossed the Arctic without the aid of an icebreaker to clear a path.

http://www.iflscience.com/environme...thout-aid-of-ice-breaker-for-first-time-ever/

But there's nothing to see here folks, keep it moving, no melting or warming going on at all.

 

[Lancecastor]

No, Zipman was careful in his use of verb tense. Exxon "misled", not "is misleading," though a case could be easily made for the latter as well.

Either way, not exactly earth shattering news.

What everyone's waiting for is some Ivanka nip and Melania upskirts.

Then we'll have an Administation.


https://youtu.be/kP6sjXVtUPM

 

[hsnh]

Either way, not exactly earth shattering news.

Plus the GB and Political forum were littered with threads about it
when I joined 2 years ago.

Looks like a zippi case of early Alzheimer to me.