Extremely Degenerate Smut

[OddLove]

This is gonna be degenerate. I suppose that's a trigger warning for people.

So today I was working on a femdom story where this sophisticated lady basically raffles off her 'stupid boy' puppy (young college student) to older men, and as I was writing a scene where an older man made the young submissive get down on his knees and then the man proceeded to spray cool whip into his mouth and demanding he swallow it, over and over until he emptied two cans and the submissive was woozy, then the older man calmly undressed, folded his clothes, and face fucked the submissive mercilessly as all the cool whip came erupted back up and spewing out of the sides of his stuffed squirrel cheeks, and when the stupid puppy was as empty as the cans of cool whip, the man wiped himself clean, got dressed, and left.

And while I was writing this, I stopped and went to the content guidelines just to double check if vomit is allowed. I didn't see anything there discussing it, so I stepped outside of my comfortable and familiar BDSM category, searched for stories featuring such activity, and found many highly rated and popular stories featuring stomach contents... from both directions... and I don't think I'll ever take the southern route myself when writing, but when I discovered it, I had a very strange calmness and connection, what hippies would call oneness if you will.

I imagine I just experience a similar feeling to what lots of readers have here when they first discover that they're neither alone in being 'off' or in being a complete degenerate. It was kind of nice.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

The only response I have is to suggest a visit to a psychiatrist.

My idea of degenerate is a Dad having the son drive the mother to a black whorehouse and watch all the action.

 

[OddLove]

The only response I have is to suggest a visit to a psychiatrist.

I don't seek relationships with psychiatrists, extremely inappropriate.

 

[lovecraft68]

Are you planning this for fetish or BDSM?

I think fetish might be your best bet that category is open to just about anything from somewhat vanilla exploration of fetishes to something more extreme like this.

If its BDSM?

BDSM standards-actual BDSM-are safe sane and consensual. If somewhere in there, you're clear the pup is allowing this it gets you around it being Non consent, but pushing someone to vomit is a bit much for most people. I'm thinking this is way more shock value than erotic, but maybe some others will disagree.

If I had to guess it's not going to go over too well with the average reader there, but it's your story and if its what you want, then no one should tell you otherwise.

As for the rules? I don't think it violates them-I'd still make sure to show consent just in case-but the only think anyone knows about them is they are consistently inconsistent.

Good luck with your 'epiphany' story

 

[lovecraft68]

The only response I have is to suggest a visit to a psychiatrist.

My idea of degenerate is a Dad having the son drive the mother to a black whorehouse and watch all the action.

Another perfect example of the racism of how interracial is approached on sites like this.

It's bad if dad sends mom to a whorehouse, but let's make it a black whorehouse because that's even worse! Why is it worse? Because they're black of course!

 

[OddLove]

Are you planning this for fetish or BDSM?

I think fetish might be your best bet that category is open to just about anything from somewhat vanilla exploration of fetishes to something more extreme like this.

If its BDSM?

BDSM standards-actual BDSM-are safe sane and consensual. If somewhere in there, you're clear the pup is allowing this it gets you around it being Non consent, but pushing someone to vomit is a bit much for most people. I'm thinking this is way more shock value than erotic, but maybe some others will disagree.

If I had to guess it's not going to go over too well with the average reader there, but it's your story and if its what you want, then no one should tell you otherwise.

As for the rules? I don't think it violates them-I'd still make sure to show consent just in case-but the only think anyone knows about them is they are consistently inconsistent.

Good luck with your 'epiphany' story

I hadn't even thought about that yet. But it's a fair point. It has 'erotica' BDSM between the college student and the sophisticated woman, but all the pup on random older man action is more comedy relieve. The young guy just does it cause he know it amuses the lady, then he complains about it after like he just dealt with a rude customer during his starbucks shift. So the shock factor + the lack not-erotica sex scenes + the cartoonish level of simping for the lady, this is like maybe 1/4th a BDSM story. If Fetish is the catch all, then yeah it belongs there.

 

[SyleusSnow]

I don't seek relationships with psychiatrists, extremely inappropriate.

...only when they're your own

I wrote a story with a pivotal barfing scene My Best Summer Mistake and it was allowed. It was not portrayed as erotic, though. I agree that Fetish is probably the best place for a story focusing on what you describe.

BTW, canned whipped cream uses nitrous oxide (laughing gas) as a propellant. Maybe you could work that into your story.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Another perfect example of the racism of how interracial is approached on sites like this.

It's bad if dad sends mom to a whorehouse, but let's make it a black whorehouse because that's even worse! Why is it worse? Because they're black of course!

Or a common kink here. Not one I do, but them I don't have characters beating or confining each other either.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

Another perfect example of the racism of how interracial is approached on sites like this.

It's bad if dad sends mom to a whorehouse, but let's make it a black whorehouse because that's even worse! Why is it worse? Because they're black of course!

You think that painting a whorehouse black makes it worse? That isn't racist exactly, but it's questionable aesthetics.

 

[lovecraft68]

You think that painting a whorehouse black makes it worse? That isn't racist exactly, but it's questionable aesthetics.

Save the jokes for the cool kids, they'll be along to turn this into a Beavis and Butthead skit soon enough.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

Quick question (because I'm out of touch): What does "degenerate" mean in this context? Is it a subjective judgement or do certain things make a story "degenerate," e.g. puking?

Not really my genre, but I want to keep up with the lingo.

 

[TheLobster]

Quick question (because I'm out of touch): What does "degenerate" mean in this context? Is it a subjective judgement or do certain things make a story "degenerate," e.g. puking?

Not really my genre, but I want to keep up with the lingo.

I'm confused, too. "Degenerate smut" feels to me like the same kind of expression as "CC card" or "PIN number."

 

[OddLove]

Quick question (because I'm out of touch): What does "degenerate" mean in this context? Is it a subjective judgement or do certain things make a story "degenerate," e.g. puking?

Not really my genre, but I want to keep up with the lingo.

I think probably subjective judgement is the extent I'm trying to use it. It's just a word I hear people call other people when they think someone's morals/lifestyle are morally 'below' them. Obvious example being slut shamers.

 

[OddLove]

I'm confused, too. "Degenerate smut" feels to me like the same kind of expression as "CC card" or "PIN number."

Now I'm confused. If it sounds redundant to you, then does that mean you consider smut=degenerate?

If so, fair enough. If not, what the fuck?

 

[TheLobster]

Now I'm confused. If it sounds redundant to you, then does that mean you consider smut=degenerate?

Obviously.

 

[Djmac1031]

While vomit is certainly NOT my kink, I will say I can empathize with that feeling of learning you're not alone in your kinks and there are others out there that appreciate them.

So many of are taught growing up that so many things related to sex are degenerate and wrong and a "sin" or whatever bullshit.

Meanwhile the truth is, as long as it's consensual and no one is getting (seriously) hurt then go forth and enjoy.

 

[OddLove]

Obviously.

I fixed the title for those who believe "sexually explicit, pornographic, or highly suggestive material" is by default "degenerate"

Now if someone comes in saying not all Smut is Degenerate, it's your duty to explain why they're wrong. Like 10k word essay on how morals are not universal law.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

Pffft, not all smut is degenerate. Some of it's great literature.

Or, that's what I keep telling myself...

 

[NuclearFairy]

I wrote puking into a story, an extremely detailed look at it even, and it didn't get rejected. Granted it wasn't sexualized, but there's nothing in the rules against puke, and people get off on all kinds of bodily fluids.

I think I had such an epiphany myself when I first stumbled into the non-human section though.

 

[Djmac1031]

Like 10k word essay on how morals are not universal law.

Lol. I dont need 10k words to demonstrate that morality is subjective when its proven conclusively that everyone makes up their own moral codes based on cultural and societal influences.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

I once read a story where the author constantly had women "pissing themselves" as they climaxed, and referring to their bladders during sex scenes (of course, the protagonist's mega dong made this inevitable).

Not my thing, but I thought: "Heh. Maybe not all the time, but it would be interesting to have it happen once in a story." In that way, we're all very much sexual thought leaders, learning from each other.

 

[OddLove]

Lol. I dont need 10k words to demonstrate that morality is subjective when its proven conclusively that everyone makes up their own moral codes based on cultural and societal influences.

Actually, according to this book I have, it's not subjective at all. Everyone else is just wrong.

And what's even crazier is, most other people read this book wrong. So even most people in my book club are wrong too.

And what's even insanier is, if you read this book correctly, you'd know that I'm right.

 

[lovecraft68]

I once read a story where the author constantly had women "pissing themselves" as they climaxed, and referring to their bladders during sex scenes (of course, the protagonist's mega dong made this inevitable).

Not my thing, but I thought: "Heh. Maybe not all the time, but it would be interesting to have it happen once in a story." In that way, we're all very much sexual thought leaders, learning from each other.

I think-I know this is true for me-that when we start writing there are things we say we'd never write about. "I'll do this, but never that" and as time goes on, all of a sudden 'that' ends up being something we'll tackle. Then the bar gets pushed to another "never" and then...

Bit like watching porn. These are my go to kinks, but that stuff? Ugh....and then we're watching the ugh

Just sinking further into the XXX rabbit hole.

 

[Djmac1031]

Actually, according to this book I have, it's not subjective at all. Everyone else is just wrong.

And what's even crazier is, most other people read this book wrong. So even most people in my book club are wrong too.

And what's even insanier is, if you read this book correctly, you'd know that I'm right.

I've read that book. I found the whole thing rather implausible, and the main character an intolerant, megalomaniacal narcissist.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

I think-I know this is true for me-that when we start writing there are things we say we'd never write about. "I'll do this, but never that" and as time goes on, all of a sudden 'that' ends up being something we'll tackle. Then the bar gets pushed to another "never" and then...

Bit like watching porn. These are my go to kinks, but that stuff? Ugh....and then we're watching the ugh

Just sinking further into the XXX rabbit hole.

Sometimes I'll read something truly degenerate, throw the iPad to the floor, curse the author for two days, then think: "Okay, this was hot, but it made me feel horrible. How would I make it feel good?"

Ultimately, the most off-putting thing for me is when an author puts you in a vulnerable state if mind ("Oh, this is dark, but I like it."), then pushes you off a ledge ("Oh my god. I'm an awful person, this is awful, I need a shower.").