Executive Order on Gun Control

[Ramone45]

This method of governing is disturbing and wrong-headed. Plus, every time these types of restrictions are proposed, the result is massive increases in the sales of guns. The reason there is always blowback is because these restrictions demonize and target law-abiding Americans, an that's wrong.This issue is the purview of the legislative branch, not the executive branch. The executive may stamp their feet all they want, but the people have elected representatives entrusted to make laws. Legislating via executive action is un-American and the citizens know that. There are already so many gun control laws on the book that the judiciary refuses to enforce. This does not deny that the executive rules over a sick society. We are immoral, greedy, cruel and any number of adjectives. The problem is people, not firearms.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Obama can't executive order gun control and he hasn't.

All the studies ever done say you're full of shit. It is the guns because we have a society that readily provides guns to the sick people.

Deal with it.

 

[Ramone45]

Obama can't executive order gun control and he hasn't.

All the studies ever done say you're full of shit. It is the guns because we have a society that readily provides guns to the sick people.

Deal with it.

He is conferring with his attorney general to see if there is a way he can legally by-pass Congress. I agree with you, it will be another exercise in futility for him.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Now all the Republicans have to do to win some key states is promise that getting rid of it will be the first order of business.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He can legally bypass Congress. It's simply not his habit to do so but he has that right you guys do realize that right?

 

[BotanyBoy]

He can legally bypass Congress. It's simply not his habit to do so but he has that right you guys do realize that right?

Since when can POTUS just degree gun control laws and have it so?

He is conferring with his attorney general to see if there is a way he can legally by-pass Congress. I agree with you, it will be another exercise in futility for him.

I don't believe that...

I bet he's conferring with AG to see what his options are as POTUS. That's what he's supposed to do.

And while we are at it every (R) except Bush 1 has issued more executive orders than Obama.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Yeah the whole legal bypass thing kind of gives it away. ..Misses the point of executive orders, but he's not breaking any laws. If he had an (R) after his name he'd be a dictator, but it's all good he knows best.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since when can POTUS just degree gun control laws and have it so?

Since always. Executive Orders are functionally no different than laws with the exception of the fact that the President can rescind them at will but otherwise they may as well be laws.

The one he's talking about is one that I'm shocked Conservatives are upset about. . .unless they've been lying. He's thinking of closing some loophole that lets people purchase firearms without a background check. But since no such thing exists he's effectively outlawing riding my purple unicorn to work. Why not just point and laugh at the dummy? Unless the truth is there is a loophole.

Yeah the whole legal bypass thing kind of gives it away. ..Misses the point of executive orders, but he's not breaking any laws. If he had an (R) after his name he'd be a dictator, but it's all good he knows best.

No, he'd be a president with balls. Like all the ones who came before him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Since always. Executive Orders are functionally no different than laws with the exception of the fact that the President can rescind them at will but otherwise they may as well be laws.

Then why didn't he just executive order UHC?

Why when it came to HC reform was he so fucking weak and helpless that he just had to accept a total fucking SCAM instead of what was right? Even though he crammed ACA down (R)'r throat kicking and screaming the whole fucking way?

 

[JawnKarTurr]

No, he'd be a president with balls. Like all the ones who came before him.[/QUOTE]



Yes balls to lead....oh right he's not doing that. Half the population knows he's a joke and the other half are his mindless servants. You claim to be a Marine right? When he ran the second time saying he'd improve veterans's care...How is that going? What about the increased casualties on his watch? This is the change you wanted?

You're funny...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes balls to lead....oh right he's not doing that. Half the population knows he's a joke and the other half are his mindless servants. You claim to be a Marine right? When he ran the second time saying he'd improve veterans's care...How is that going? What about the increased casualties on his watch? This is the change you wanted?

You're funny...

You will never win with Sean when it comes to O.

He will defend him as the palaces burn......sometimes O is just a helpless guy who wants to do the right thing but can't because evil R and other days he might as well be God and rightfully so. Whatever is needed.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

You will never win with Sean when it comes to O.

He will defend him as the palaces burn......sometimes O is just a helpless guy who wants to do the right thing but can't because evil R and other days he might as well be God and rightfully so. Whatever is needed.

Yes he claims he isn't a liberal too. I just put facts out there from time to time....it's fun to laugh as you read though.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes he claims he isn't a liberal too. I just put facts out there from time to time....it's fun to laugh as you read though.

Sean is right about that part, O really isn't a liberal....big money says jump and he asks how high just like 98% of politicians.

Otherwise he wouldn't have sold us out to the HC industry so hard, continued the war in the middle east, ignored the gun control issue the way he has or persisted in the war on drugs.

He hasn't done much of anything that isn't centrist or just left of center. Big money says jump and he sayz "How high masters?" just like the overwhelming majority of pols.

Hardly a liberal.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then why didn't he just executive order UHC?

Why when it came to HC reform was he so fucking weak and helpless that he just had to accept a total fucking SCAM instead of what was right? Even though he crammed ACA down (R)'r throat kicking and screaming the whole fucking way?

Because the next president would undo it amongst other reasons. Also UHC may be beyond what you can legally pull with an EO even if there are no official rules on what can and cannot be done with them.

But he's also a pussy and a thrice damned centrist.

Yes balls to lead....oh right he's not doing that. Half the population knows he's a joke and the other half are his mindless servants. You claim to be a Marine right? When he ran the second time saying he'd improve veterans's care...How is that going? What about the increased casualties on his watch? This is the change you wanted?

You're funny...

No, he's not leading. Has anybody ever really claimed differently? The VA is a joke but I don't remember him running on unfucking it. No this isn't the change I wanted. This is status quo. We got no change. Partially because Obama is at the end of the day a centrist but lets be fair, the Republicans cockblocked to a legendary level. Why he didn't have them eliminate the filibuster is beyond me.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Because the next president would undo it amongst other reasons. Also UHC may be beyond what you can legally pull with an EO even if there are no official rules on what can and cannot be done with them.

But he's also a pussy and a thrice damned centrist.



No, he's not leading. Has anybody ever really claimed differently? The VA is a joke but I don't remember him running on unfucking it. No this isn't the change I wanted. This is status quo. We got no change. Partially because Obama is at the end of the day a centrist but lets be fair, the Republicans cockblocked to a legendary level. Why he didn't have them eliminate the filibuster is beyond me.

Happy New Year Sean! Drunken coma?

Pretty much buy your guns now and don't forget to stalk up on ammo, with out it guns can't kill people.

I'm surprised he waited this long to start implementing his pet projects. He probably thinks this issue will be overtaken with election fervor and people will let it go. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a red herring and he has something much more insidious planned.

Every politician lies and the supporters eat it up. Obama takes it a step further to try and bypass safeguards put in place to stop the President from implementing his own agenda. Regardless of the issue, the troubling part is that his supporters don't feel he is going too far.

When someone says they have "no limits" regarding bdsm, they are ridiculed. Do his supporters feel he is a no limit President? It's the office of the Presidency, it doesn't belong to Obama. Will you allow anyone in office to bypass safeguards, no matter their party or is it only on issues you agree with? It's difficult to respect someone who would stand with the President to bypass safeguards designed to protect We The People. I don't care which issue it is, I don't care if you want to bring up a thousand examples of other Presidents doing the same thing. Those can be addressed separately. This issue is simple.

Will you support the Office of the Presidency bypassing safeguards to exert power where it's not allowed?

 

[Sean Renaud]

He's not bypassing the safeguards though. He's not even living up to the office like EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO HOLD THE OFFICE PRIOR TO HIM. When it comes to maximizing his actual power he's used the least amount of EOs since before WWII. Shy of literally stepping down because Republicans don't like him he couldn't have done less.

He has nothing insidious planned. At the end of the day I'd be shocked if he even does this despite the fact that poll after poll shows that the American people ARE behind him on this but whatever.

Maybe I'll get the gift of a lifetime and Bernie Sanders will be an actual liberal in office. . .but lets be honest he's not getting past Hillary.

 

[Iceprincess12]

He's not bypassing the safeguards though. He's not even living up to the office like EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO HOLD THE OFFICE PRIOR TO HIM. When it comes to maximizing his actual power he's used the least amount of EOs since before WWII. Shy of literally stepping down because Republicans don't like him he couldn't have done less.

He has nothing insidious planned. At the end of the day I'd be shocked if he even does this despite the fact that poll after poll shows that the American people ARE behind him on this but whatever.

Maybe I'll get the gift of a lifetime and Bernie Sanders will be an actual liberal in office. . .but lets be honest he's not getting past Hillary.

You missed the most important part of my message...

 

[JawnKarTurr]

No, he's not leading. Has anybody ever really claimed differently? The VA is a joke but I don't remember him running on unfucking it. No this isn't the change I wanted. This is status quo. We got no change. Partially because Obama is at the end of the day a centrist but lets be fair, the Republicans cockblocked to a legendary level. Why he didn't have them eliminate the filibuster is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

Saying he's a president with balls would imply leading...Well just because you don't remember it doesn't make it so. I wished him well on that and hoped there would be change. Yes yes...he had a grand plan and the Republicans ruined it. When you actually lead you get people who are opposed to you to come over or workout a compromise.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Saying he's a president with balls would imply leading...Well just because you don't remember it doesn't make it so. I wished him well on that and hoped there would be change. Yes yes...he had a grand plan and the Republicans ruined it. When you actually lead you get people who are opposed to you to come over or workout a compromise.

Which is what he would be doing if he took the action you're accusing him of. But there is very little chance of it. I don't think anything he could have done would have brought the Republicans over, frankly he bent over backwards for them at every opportunity. His problem is that he never just went to the democrats and said push on everything. No more negotiating just keep pushing and keep using your numbers and go to the media each and everytime they filibuster. Every single goddamn time with no exceptions. But hey it is what it is.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

So he's weak president now....you need to make up your mind.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So he's weak president now....you need to make up your mind.

That's what I've been saying since the start.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You will never win with Sean when it comes to O.

He will defend him as the palaces burn......sometimes O is just a helpless guy who wants to do the right thing but can't because evil R and other days he might as well be God and rightfully so. Whatever is needed.

He's pretty much always "helpless" with very few exceptions when he acts like he has a pair. Those are few and far between though, I think I can count them all without taking off my socks. He is never God. On occasion he can be good though.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because the next president would undo it amongst other reasons. Also UHC may be beyond what you can legally pull with an EO even if there are no official rules on what can and cannot be done with them.

He's pretty much always "helpless" with very few exceptions when he acts like he has a pair. Those are few and far between though, I think I can count them all without taking off my socks. He is never God. On occasion he can be good though.

So let me get this straight....he has god power to just fly right the fuck in the face of 2A...just blatantly shit on decades well established pissing contest lines giving congress and SCOTUS the finger with total fuckin' impunity.

But he can't do HC reform without cream skimming corruption being at 11 hua?

LMFAO.... Cool story bro.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So let me get this straight....he has god power to just fly right the fuck in the face of 2A...just blatantly shit on decades well established pissing contest lines giving congress and SCOTUS the finger with total fuckin' impunity.

But he can't do HC reform without cream skimming corruption being at 11 hua?

LMFAO.... Cool story bro.

He is the president yes. The fact is the established lines aren't legal boundaries, they are simply a gentlemen's agreement not to do this that or the other.

A pacifist with a gun can still shoot people even if they would never do such a horrible thing no?

 

[BotanyBoy]

He is the president yes. The fact is the established lines aren't legal boundaries, they are simply a gentlemen's agreement not to do this that or the other.

A pacifist with a gun can still shoot people even if they would never do such a horrible thing no?

If the US constitution and SCOUTS rulings are not legal boundaries then no such thing exists.

IF he can god mode over everyone as you say he can then he's a fucking piece of shit for ACA, a corrupt scum bag politician too chicken shit to do the right thing and is thus just as bad as those doing the wrong thing.

IF he can't god mode whatever fucking law he wants however the fuck he wants then he is rather impotent when it comes to just blowing off the law doing doing whatever the fuck he wants and won't do fuckin' shit to control guns.

You can't have it both ways unless you just living in denial to bob Obama knob.