Excellent Vid About Getting Results

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1114003&page=2

John Grinder created Neurolinguistic Programming back in the 70s. He and his business partner, Richard Bandler, studied success and created models to duplicate it.

I discovered their books in the early 80s (THE STRUCTURE OF MAGIC, FROGS INTO PRINCES, TRANSFORMATIONS, CHANGE YOUR MIND AND KEEP THE CHANGE,ETC) and what I learned is magical stuff. Its useful for writing problems. The vid gives an overview of NLP.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Grinder is a very clear and organised speaker. He'd make a pretty good sports coach I would have thought.

It's a shame that not enough others, or people who came after him and use many of his ideas, have the same sense of integrity and ethics. I'm sure you'd be aware that there are several Western intelligence agencies who train their 'operators(!)' in various forms of NLP - and I think it's a long long way from that train station where they all got off the last time any of them were close to any suburb called 'ethics,' or 'integrity.'

(Jesus, I'm gonna be exposed one of these days!!!)

However... NLP, yeah. The traditional stuff was good, I do think.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Grinder is a very clear and organised speaker. He'd make a pretty good sports coach I would have thought.

It's a shame that not enough others, or people who came after him and use many of his ideas, have the same sense of integrity and ethics. I'm sure you'd be aware that there are several Western intelligence agencies who train their 'operators(!)' in various forms of NLP - and I think it's a long long way from that train station where they all got off the last time any of them were close to any suburb called 'ethics,' or 'integrity.'

(Jesus, I'm gonna be exposed one of these days!!!)

However... NLP, yeah. The traditional stuff was good, I do think.

I learned NLP back in 1985 about the time the vid was made. I use it all the time, for the spontaneous results Grinder speaks of, and the results usually amaze me tho people think me strange when I open the filters. NLP usta employ nifty rituals to get results, I use no rituals anymore, I simply construct the problem then define what I want the solution to do.

 

[PayDay]

I learned NLP back in 1985 about the time the vid was made. I use it all the time, for the spontaneous results Grinder speaks of, and the results usually amaze me tho people think me strange when I open the filters. NLP usta employ nifty rituals to get results, I use no rituals anymore, I simply construct the problem then define what I want the solution to do.

Reverse engineering?

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Thanks for mentioning Grinder and these vids, JBJ.

Grinder is talking way too complicated things for most people, in my view...! So many people who adopt what they think IS 'NLP' are very superficial both in the way they apply what they think they have learned, as well as in perceiving what people such as Grinder actually say.

By whatever means he actually came to the ideas, John Grinder's end conclusions and let's call them 'systems approaches' are in line with the very latest mechanistic psychiatry (research)findings - all the way down I suppose to the electron mechanism level and things like electro-magnetic chirality in quantum data transfer (inclusive of what goes on inside the human brain).

He was ahead of his time.

For my own part I think people should have a licence before they can be allowed to go into this stuff!!! Without giving away exactly what I do in life, at minimum I CAN say I have been involved in official prosecutions in various different courts, and from that experience I will say there are an awful number of very high level frauds that go on where concerted, organised, managed, 'team plays' (mis-)using things like NLP to convince, usually the patsy, that they can 'arrange the outcome' of something. I have seen several instances where the patsy was basically told up front that, straight out, NLP was a recommended technique for them to use when they carried out whatever 'act' they were being asked or paid to carry out.

I only just re-read that original thread where you had the video links, and noticed people talking about that old 'MKULTRA' thing.

Funny how one or two 'labels' spill out into the public and all of a sudden everyone believes they know it all, all that was ever done in the shadows, or all that IS being done, and that there is virtually nothing that they do not know or haven't already heard about.

Which is why I bite my lip every time I get on this site.

These days I don't really have a boss anymore, that is, to answer to come Monday mornings - it's more of a collegiate field that I'm in. Even so, there are a lot of people I admire and respect and whom I would not want to either irritate or damage by talking about things I shouldn't.

Let me just say this now though: in one of the vids Grinder says something like the real ideas behind words are not fixed and are quite dynamic. Of course no thought at all is just one single 'moment' or event in the brain or mind - they are all phased wave forms that ebb and flow and in fact, are like a ripple on top of water; they are quite continuous, and never start from any kind of 'standstill, and nor do they ever come to a sudden, instant stop.

The whole human body is incredibly neurally-linked and the neural networks in the affective muscle systems are completely linked up to abstract 'idea' neural network connections in the brain.

Not only can you 'read' a person's thoughts from every move they make physically, and what they look like, but you can make them have certain thoughts too, without saying anything to them but employing ambient code. The modern world of advanced biometrics contains massive and highly advanced and evolved research and data about this. And it's only getting more intensive and richer.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Reverse engineering?

reverse engineering is what Edward de Bono does. He's another interesting RESULTS guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFFZ0XSfCRw

I discovered de Bono about 1969. His LATERAL THINKING system is very useful.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Thanks for mentioning Grinder and these vids, JBJ.

Grinder is talking way too complicated things for most people, in my view...! So many people who adopt what they think IS 'NLP' are very superficial both in the way they apply what they think they have learned, as well as in perceiving what people such as Grinder actually say.

By whatever means he actually came to the ideas, John Grinder's end conclusions and let's call them 'systems approaches' are in line with the very latest mechanistic psychiatry (research)findings - all the way down I suppose to the electron mechanism level and things like electro-magnetic chirality in quantum data transfer (inclusive of what goes on inside the human brain).

He was ahead of his time.

For my own part I think people should have a licence before they can be allowed to go into this stuff!!! Without giving away exactly what I do in life, at minimum I CAN say I have been involved in official prosecutions in various different courts, and from that experience I will say there are an awful number of very high level frauds that go on where concerted, organised, managed, 'team plays' (mis-)using things like NLP to convince, usually the patsy, that they can 'arrange the outcome' of something. I have seen several instances where the patsy was basically told up front that, straight out, NLP was a recommended technique for them to use when they carried out whatever 'act' they were being asked or paid to carry out.

I only just re-read that original thread where you had the video links, and noticed people talking about that old 'MKULTRA' thing.

Funny how one or two 'labels' spill out into the public and all of a sudden everyone believes they know it all, all that was ever done in the shadows, or all that IS being done, and that there is virtually nothing that they do not know or haven't already heard about.

Which is why I bite my lip every time I get on this site.

These days I don't really have a boss anymore, that is, to answer to come Monday mornings - it's more of a collegiate field that I'm in. Even so, there are a lot of people I admire and respect and whom I would not want to either irritate or damage by talking about things I shouldn't.

Let me just say this now though: in one of the vids Grinder says something like the real ideas behind words are not fixed and are quite dynamic. Of course no thought at all is just one single 'moment' or event in the brain or mind - they are all phased wave forms that ebb and flow and in fact, are like a ripple on top of water; they are quite continuous, and never start from any kind of 'standstill, and nor do they ever come to a sudden, instant stop.

The whole human body is incredibly neurally-linked and the neural networks in the affective muscle systems are completely linked up to abstract 'idea' neural network connections in the brain.

Not only can you 'read' a person's thoughts from every move they make physically, and what they look like, but you can make them have certain thoughts too, without saying anything to them but employing ambient code. The modern world of advanced biometrics contains massive and highly advanced and evolved research and data about this. And it's only getting more intensive and richer.

I agree. Much of the time I simply pay attention to my feelings (mad sad glad afraid) to decipher the meaning of expressions. I often refer to a young woman I usta know who was hired at our agency to do family therapy. We met at a staff meeting, she sat beside me, and I became more aroused as time passed. After the meeting she invited me to see her office across town. We went and had sex within a few minutes. I often reply to posts the same way....going from my feelings rather than words.

 

[PayDay]

reverse engineering is what Edward de Bono does. He's another interesting RESULTS guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFFZ0XSfCRw

I discovered de Bono about 1969. His LATERAL THINKING system is very useful.

Subscribed.

Fill this thread up with names.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Well, yes, names... But would people have the time, the patience, the comprehension of the difference in modern scientific knowledge compared with the past - to watch, and not misunderstand the metaphorical language of some of the gargantuan people from the past?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, yes, names... But would people have the time, the patience, the comprehension of the difference in modern scientific knowledge compared with the past - to watch, and not misunderstand the metaphorical language of some of the gargantuan people from the past?

No, of course not; its why 99% of humans are losers.

 

[PayDay]

No, of course not; its why 99% of humans are losers.

Ouch,


...plus it's only me that's asking for JBJ perspective...

Names ad to my knowledge base.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Dear PayDay - here's the problem. DNA was discovered in the modern era by a woman, its discovery attributed extensively to others. But it's actual mathematical exposition was made and written down (in our extant human records of things) around 300 years BC.

Except that those in Oxford and Cambridge who have read it keep it to themselves.

Many other people also read it, and it goes completely over their heads.

I used to say, stick up a million dollars and I will point anyone directly to the passages - but no arsehole with a big enough public profile ever had the guts to take me up.

And you have never seen nor ever heard about such a thing being in existence before - but it does; exist.

Here, however, because you had the modesty to say 'ouch,' is my gift to you which will also give me an indication of what kind of mind I am talking with...

I add that one simply has to factor in, that this man is not a scientist, and never claimed to have been. I believe, that his expositional style, was related to his own conceptions about what younger people he was addressing could comprehend or accept. He's got a metaphorical style of speaking and he is also very 'olden days.'

All the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foHWlz5Wv0Q

 

[PayDay]

Dear PayDay - here's the problem. DNA was discovered in the modern era by a woman, its discovery attributed extensively to others. But it's actual mathematical exposition was made and written down (in our extant human records of things) around 300 years BC.

Except that those in Oxford and Cambridge who have read it keep it to themselves.

Many other people also read it, and it goes completely over their heads.

I used to say, stick up a million dollars and I will point anyone directly to the passages - but no arsehole with a big enough public profile ever had the guts to take me up.

And you have never seen nor ever heard about such a thing being in existence before - but it does; exist.

Here, however, because you had the modesty to say 'ouch,' is my gift to you which will also give me an indication of what kind of mind I am talking with...

I add that one simply has to factor in, that this man is not a scientist, and never claimed to have been. I believe, that his expositional style, was related to his own conceptions about what younger people he was addressing could comprehend or accept. He's got a metaphorical style of speaking and he is also very 'olden days.'

All the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foHWlz5Wv0Q

Blah blah blah. Seriously those things aren't even variables. Plus you are full of shit.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

"Seriously those things aren't even variables..."

I see that you have some little knowledge of the English language.

Wittgenstein would approve; typically, a name you HAVE probably heard of.

Plus, I notice you haven't contributed any names yet out of your 'knowledge base...?'

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Let's see some before you go around pontificating.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

As I said with regard to the mill. Put up, or shut the f* up.

Most people neither put up nor shut up, of course.

In your case, you're going to be damned if you put up because your names are going to come straight off Google or some dickhead modern era crap mercantile varsity, or damned if you don't because it would mean you are a gutless coward.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Dear PayDay - here's the problem. DNA was discovered in the modern era by a woman, its discovery attributed extensively to others. But it's actual mathematical exposition was made and written down (in our extant human records of things) around 300 years BC.

Except that those in Oxford and Cambridge who have read it keep it to themselves.

Many other people also read it, and it goes completely over their heads.

I used to say, stick up a million dollars and I will point anyone directly to the passages - but no arsehole with a big enough public profile ever had the guts to take me up.

And you have never seen nor ever heard about such a thing being in existence before - but it does; exist.

Here, however, because you had the modesty to say 'ouch,' is my gift to you which will also give me an indication of what kind of mind I am talking with...

I add that one simply has to factor in, that this man is not a scientist, and never claimed to have been. I believe, that his expositional style, was related to his own conceptions about what younger people he was addressing could comprehend or accept. He's got a metaphorical style of speaking and he is also very 'olden days.'

All the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foHWlz5Wv0Q

Are you speaking of Rosalind Franklin? She kinda got the crappy end of the stick.

I read her early death disqualified her for the Nobel Prize. If so that stinks.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yeah yeah Rosalind Franklin.

 

[PayDay]

"Seriously those things aren't even variables..."

I see that you have some little knowledge of the English language.

Wittgenstein would approve; typically, a name you HAVE probably heard of.

Plus, I notice you haven't contributed any names yet out of your 'knowledge base...?'

I was asking JBJ.

 

[PayDay]

As I said with regard to the mill. Put up, or shut the f* up.

Most people neither put up nor shut up, of course.

In your case, you're going to be damned if you put up because your names are going to come straight off Google or some dickhead modern era crap mercantile varsity, or damned if you don't because it would mean you are a gutless coward.

"Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was very rarely stable."

Keep assuming, it fits you.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ouch,


...plus it's only me that's asking for JBJ perspective...

Names ad to my knowledge base.

New names are how I discover new wonders.

 

[PayDay]

New names are how I discover new wonders.

Amen, sir.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

And that's exactly what I meant - Wittgenstein was all you deserved.

And I'm still waiting loser. Time is passing and obviously you have nothing.

 

[PayDay]

And that's exactly what I meant - Wittgenstein was all you deserved.

And I'm still waiting loser. Time is passing and obviously you have nothing.

You should learn to read. Take your head out of your ass, rinse it off, and start the thread from the beginning.

You don't have to apologize, because, in my experience, everyone is always sorry.

 

[jomar]

I remember reading those books. Fun reads, but like EMDR, scanty research to support it. But, much of therapy is all abut the relationship and what people are drawn to...many roads to the same destination.