European mindset continued…

[amicus]

A few days ago I posted the results of a small ‘epiphany’ about why Europeans, in general, seem to seek a ‘hive’ or collectivist mentality. Such as Socialized Medicine, guaranteed retirement benefits, less working hours, strong Union influence, Government owned transportation; in other words, a ‘Social Democracy’ in modern terms.

Aside from the ‘bastardization’ of Europe, by unending wars and conflicts throughout most of its history, in which the ‘Arian’ roots were lost forever, we still have a living generation of people fathered by German Nazi’s and Russian Communists during the five year occupation of Europe.

Of all of Europe, only the British survived intact, such as it were, and that difference remains yet.

And the British still mourn the loss of Roman influence.

There is not and never will be any understanding of American Independence from the ‘Old World’.

That is sad…

Will Germany find another Adolph or France another Bonaparte for the next round?

I wonder…


Amicus…

 

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[amicus]

That figures...I knew we should have annexed Canada, a long time ago...


amicus...

 

[S-Des]

That figures...I knew we should have annexed Canada, a long time ago...


amicus...

I would have done it just so we could claim Rush as our own.

 

[Liar]

Of all of Europe, only the British survived intact, such as it were, and that difference remains yet.

Couldja elaborate on that, please? How do you see the UK differs itself politically from the rest of Europe, and how are those differences tied to "surviving intact" the nazis and commies?

There is not and never will be any understanding of American Independence from the ‘Old World’.

But you, self proclaimed spokepesron of the "New World" claim to have understanding of European Community? Pot, kettle, pettle, kot, and all that.

 

[Guest]

I would have done it just so we could claim Rush as our own.

Des - sometimes I don't know what to think about you.

 

[cloudy]

Des - sometimes I don't know what to think about you.

I do.

eta: I don't why anyone even bothers to answer these rants of ami's, to be honest. He doesn't know what he's talking about, but will swear until the day he dies that he does. He never makes sense, and he'll never realize that he doesn't. Why encourage him?

 

[S-Des]

Des - sometimes I don't know what to think about you.

You don't like Rush? Good lord, they're like the pinnacle for progressive rock. The Presto tour was absolutely jaw-dropping. Probably the scariest part of seeing them live was watching Geddy Lee play impossibly hard bass lines while singing, then realizing he was playing the keyboards with foot pedals as he was doing both. That's just not human.....

 

[Guest]

You don't like Rush? Good lord, they're like the pinnacle for progressive rock. The Presto tour was absolutely jaw-dropping. Probably the scariest part of seeing them live was watching Geddy Lee play impossibly hard bass lines while singing, then realizing he was playing the keyboards with foot pedals as he was doing both. That's just not human.....

Wrong Rush.

I saw them at Kemper Arena in Kansas City. Very good.

 

[oggbashan]

A few days ago I posted the results of a small ‘epiphany’ about why Europeans, in general, seem to seek a ‘hive’ or collectivist mentality. Such as Socialized Medicine, guaranteed retirement benefits, less working hours, strong Union influence, Government owned transportation; in other words, a ‘Social Democracy’ in modern terms...

Amicus…

There is no such thing as a European mindset.

The UK has the National Health Service and private medicine as well. If we have the money, we can pick and choose, and if we choose to go private it is at much lower cost than in the US.

The UK's guaranteed retirement benefits have been eroded away in the last few years. Although we have a state pension - for which we pay contributions all our working lives - it is barely enough to survive on. Company pensions have been damaged by double taxation on their investments and profits. We pay taxed income to the pension scheme who then pays taxes on their profits which provide pensions that are again taxed.

The UK's actual working hours are as long if not longer than the US's. France is unusual in having a significant limitation on working hours.

The UK's unions do NOT have strong influence and haven't had since Mrs Thatcher introduced laws curbing their ability to strike. Unions in some parts of Europe do have more power. In other parts they have less, if they exist at all.

Transportation in the UK is provided by private companies. Government may provide help with the infrastructure - doesn't the US fund Freeways?

Your idea of a Social Democracy, which you seem to equate to the work of the devil, is not Europe-wide, nor even as valid anywhere in Europe as it might have been. In France, the current Presidential election is of interest to others because at least one of the candidates wants to cut back on such social spending and laws as currently exist. Even if the other candidate wins, France is still likely to retreat from its current social initiatives which are not typical of the other members of the European Community.

To sum up - as usual, you are generalising about a large area of the world that you know little about, and again, as usual, you have got it wrong.

Og

 

[mikey2much]

We have bought the world down to our level

As a country the U.S. would have been better off if we had followed the example of the europeans. Once we all knew that everybody was not created equal, we used to have a tax system that helped to balance the scales a bit. When the beatles wrote their song the 'Taxman' they were correct with their statement of 'one for me and nineteen for the taxman' That was the highest rate of taxation for the super rich. That tax law forced the rich to pay their share either through donations for the public good or if they so chose, paying the high tax rate.

Now the rich pay about the same as the guy on the street and they are still not happy. Here in Fla they are trying to change the tax code on the taxes on our homes. They want to take off the taxes on real estate and put in its place a sales tax. This way the rich will only pay the same tax as the poor.

The rich have no concerns about the people who have to do without. The rich have only selfish desires to keep all they have and the rest of us can go to hell.

I have no doubt that someday there will be a backlash against them that even all the police and all the prisons that they have built will not save them from.

This guy Amicus is not even rich I don't think. He is just a guy who is like a groupie to the rich and he is not alone. The guys like him have helped the rich to take over my country and we will be paying a heavy price for a long time.

mikey

 

[matriarch]

There is no such thing as a European mindset.

The UK has the National Health Service and private medicine as well. If we have the money, we can pick and choose, and if we choose to go private it is at much lower cost than in the US.

The UK's guaranteed retirement benefits have been eroded away in the last few years. Although we have a state pension - for which we pay contributions all our working lives - it is barely enough to survive on. Company pensions have been damaged by double taxation on their investments and profits. We pay taxed income to the pension scheme who then pays taxes on their profits which provide pensions that are again taxed.

The UK's actual working hours are as long if not longer than the US's. France is unusual in having a significant limitation on working hours.

The UK's unions do NOT have strong influence and haven't had since Mrs Thatcher introduced laws curbing their ability to strike. Unions in some parts of Europe do have more power. In other parts they have less, if they exist at all.

Transportation in the UK is provided by private companies. Government may provide help with the infrastructure - doesn't the US fund Freeways?

Your idea of a Social Democracy, which you seem to equate to the work of the devil, is not Europe-wide, nor even as valid anywhere in Europe as it might have been. In France, the current Presidential election is of interest to others because at least one of the candidates wants to cut back on such social spending and laws as currently exist. Even if the other candidate wins, France is still likely to retreat from its current social initiatives which are not typical of the other members of the European Community.

To sum up - as usual, you are generalising about a large area of the world that you know little about, and again, as usual, you have got it wrong.

Og

As always Og, you put it so much better than me, and without the outburts.

 

[matriarch]

As a country the U.S. would have been better off if we had followed the example of the europeans. Once we all knew that everybody was not created equal, we used to have a tax system that helped to balance the scales a bit. When the beatles wrote their song the 'Taxman' they were correct with their statement of 'one for me and nineteen for the taxman' That was the highest rate of taxation for the super rich. That tax law forced the rich to pay their share either through donations for the public good or if they so chose, paying the high tax rate.

Now the rich pay about the same as the guy on the street and they are still not happy. Here in Fla they are trying to change the tax code on the taxes on our homes. They want to take off the taxes on real estate and put in its place a sales tax. This way the rich will only pay the same tax as the poor.

The rich have no concerns about the people who have to do without. The rich have only selfish desires to keep all they have and the rest of us can go to hell.

I have no doubt that someday there will be a backlash against them that even all the police and all the prisons that they have built will not save them from.

This guy Amicus is not even rich I don't think. He is just a guy who is like a groupie to the rich and he is not alone. The guys like him have helped the rich to take over my country and we will be paying a heavy price for a long time.

mikey

The idea of Ami as a groupie had me shuddering at the image...but not he's not particularly rich - in anything - except the sure belief that any person or country that can't stand on their own two feet (even if one of them doesn't work properly), isn't worth shit, and should be given no help.

You disabled? Hard luck, go scramble in the gutter somewhere, he has no obligation to help you. You can't get a job for whatever reason? Hard luck. Go starve to death. You have a chronic disease which means you need much medication simply to get through the day? Can't pay for it? Tough luck. Go without and go die painfully somewhere, and do it quietly so he doesn't have to put up with your cries of pain.

In short, Mikey, he's an arsehole who doesn't really like the human race at all, so does everything he can to distance himself from them.

 

[cloudy]

In short, Mikey, he's an arsehole who doesn't really like the human race at all, so does everything he can to distance himself from them.

or as Abs would say, he has a little peepee and hates his mother.

 

[Liar]

There is no such thing as a European mindset.

I just read a book by antropologist Barbara Czarniawska, in which she calls the European Union "the most culturally and politically heterogenous region on earth". I believe that sums it up pretty well.

 

[Liar]

Here in Fla they are trying to change the tax code on the taxes on our homes. They want to take off the taxes on real estate and put in its place a sales tax. This way the rich will only pay the same tax as the poor.

And guess what? here, in "oh-so-socialist" Sweden, we already have exactly that. No estate tax, only sales tax. So at least in some issues, we're more right leaning than the republican Florida.

 

[Pure]

involuntary commitment indications?

nice posting, Ogg.

besides what is false, there is much that is puzzling in the obscure provocation:

Aside from the ‘bastardization’ of Europe, by unending wars and conflicts throughout most of its history, in which the ‘Arian’ roots were lost forever,

I wonder that this means? Were the "Arian" roots the source of what's good and true in Europe?

we still have a living generation of people fathered by German Nazis and Russian Communists during the five year occupation of Europe.

The meaning of "fathered" is unclear: Does it mean influenced by? or is it focussed on [reactions to] Nazi invasions. As far as I know, besides England, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, and Sweden were not occupied by Nazis or Soviets. In any case, some nations seem to have recovered nicely, e.g. Holland, Norway.

Of all of Europe, only the British survived intact, such as it were, and that difference remains yet.

See above. Didn't Switzerland survive intact?

As far as Britain, it was "intact", but so severely weakened that the last of its empire vanished soon after WWII; Britain became secondary, in military power, to the US. Arguably, Germany, which didn't remain "intact" (uninvaded) has done better since WWII, and moreso after reunification.

I suppose, fact issues aside--as they should be in interactions with Amicus-- the gist is American superiority, Britain a lagging second, and the whole of Europe corrupted by socialism-- allegedly related to events (invasions) of WWII.

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As Ogg points out, social democracy was at least partially established in England by the time of WWII, and was further developed, after. It
had already been established in several European contries by WWII. Indeed, in Germany, it was Kaiser Wilhelm that set up old age pensions. So these "pinkish" and evil measures don't seem related to nazism, soviet invasions, etc.

Arguably the Americans, whatever temporary advantages they had in the 50s and 60s are less free now than many Europeans, being subect to arbitrary arrest and indefinite imprisionment without charges. *Military Commissions Act".

 

[CharleyH]

A few days ago I posted the results of a small ‘epiphany’ about why Europeans, in general, seem to seek a ‘hive’ or collectivist mentality. Such as Socialized Medicine, guaranteed retirement benefits, less working hours, strong Union influence, Government owned transportation; in other words, a ‘Social Democracy’ in modern terms.

Aside from the ‘bastardization’ of Europe, by unending wars and conflicts throughout most of its history, in which the ‘Arian’ roots were lost forever, we still have a living generation of people fathered by German Nazi’s and Russian Communists during the five year occupation of Europe.

Of all of Europe, only the British survived intact, such as it were, and that difference remains yet.

And the British still mourn the loss of Roman influence.

There is not and never will be any understanding of American Independence from the ‘Old World’.

That is sad…

Will Germany find another Adolph or France another Bonaparte for the next round?

I wonder…


Amicus…

America is not independent any more. American is ruled by international stock markets, by oil in the middle east and by the Internet. The question is not will Germany find another Adolph or Napoleon, the question is how SOON will the US raise one and become the Amerikan Reich or the Napoliamericain.

 

[Somme]

America is not independent any more. American is ruled by international stock markets, by oil in the middle east and by the Internet. The question is not will Germany find another Adolph or Napoleon, the question is how SOON will the US raise one and become the Amerikan Reich or the Napoliamericain.

Already tried; already failed.

 

[CharleyH]

Already tried; already failed.

So much for world power. :kiss

 

[mikey2much]

I am shocked and amazed

And guess what? here, in "oh-so-socialist" Sweden, we already have exactly that. No estate tax, only sales tax. So at least in some issues, we're more right leaning than the republican Florida.

That is hard to believe. I had no ideal that you had that system in place. Is it working out for the people there? I could only hope that Fla coulod become as progressive as Sweden.
mikey

 

[cumallday]

That figures...I knew we should have annexed Canada, a long time ago...


amicus...

Actually, my response was given on behalf of my friends in Germany, fickschlampe. You only wish you could be half as clever.

 

[amicus]

I see I am not needed here.

Please continue...


amicus...

 

[cloudy]

Ami, I generally enjoy poking you with a stick, but I'm unsure of what you wish to accomplish with your OP. It reads like just a random bashing of anyone and anything not American.

 

[CharleyH]

I see I am not needed here.

Please continue...


amicus...

The whole point of my post was in answer to you ... SO YES - You are needed here. lol