ESPN fires asshole Curt Schilling

[RoryN]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/04/20/espn-fires-curt-schilling/

He was begging for it. Good.

 

[OldJourno]

“A man is a man no matter what they call themselves. I don’t care what they are, who they sleep with, men’s room was designed for the penis , women’s not so much. Now you need laws telling us differently? Pathetic”



That's the retweet.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/04/20/espn-fires-curt-schilling/

He was begging for it.

No he wasn't.

Good.

No it isn't.

 

[RoryN]

No he wasn't.

Yes, he was.

This wasn't the first time he'd done this. He knew the consequences, and he continued.

He has spoken freely. And so has ESPN.

 

[pensivepoet]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/04/20/espn-fires-curt-schilling/

He was begging for it. Good.

Agreed.
Nothing to add

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Yes, he was.

This wasn't the first time he'd done this. He knew the consequences, and he continued.

He has spoken freely. And so has ESPN.

Last I checked, all the teams he played for & all the ESPNs were in the United States, where he has a right to hold & state any opinion... That needs to be continued in the laws so "John/Jane Q. Public" cannot face jail or job-termination for doing so.

Also, if this is what you call ESPN "speaking", let him speak again with his mouth shut... "Tagging" every word & phrase he wants all over their desks & offices, & throwing every camera & PC through the nearest windows.

 

[RoryN]

Last I checked, all the teams he played for & all the ESPNs were in the United States, where he has a right to hold & state any opinion... That needs to be continued in the laws so "John/Jane Q. Public" cannot face jail or job-termination for doing so.

You are a special kind of stupid.

let him speak again with his mouth shut... "Tagging" every word & phrase he wants all over their desks & offices, & throwing every camera & PC through the nearest windows.

In other words, throw a tantrum like the diaper baby he is.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

You are a special kind of stupid.

I didn't know "None" was special.

In other words, throw a tantrum like the diaper baby he is.

NO. Act incorrectly like they did. If things had been done properly by him & the channel, he'd have nothing to be mad about b/c he'd still have a job there tomorrow.

 

[RoryN]

If things had been done properly by him & the channel, he'd have nothing to be mad about b/c he'd still have a job there tomorrow.

The channel had a policy. The channel has a right to enforce it as long as no laws were broken.

He violated their policy. He got fired.

This isn't difficult to understand.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

The channel had a policy. The channel has a right to enforce it as long as no laws were broken.

He violated their policy. He got fired.

This isn't difficult to understand.

I think (as I wrote before) that his playing career & the channel that terminated him are both located in the US, where you have freedom of speech.

I already explained what that means in my prior post, & that means the network fired him for exercising a Constitutional right.

National laws overrule company policies; That is also not hard to understand.

 

[RoryN]

I think (as I wrote before) that his playing career & the channel that terminated him are both located in the US, where you have freedom of speech.

I already explained what that means in my prior post, & that means the network fired him for exercising a Constitutional right.

National laws overrule company policies; That is also not hard to understand.

I had no idea ESPN was the "Congress" mentioned in the First Amendment.

Please, go on - explain to us how that is, lest you be seen as yet ANOTHER jackass who invokes the Constitution of our country while having zero idea about how it works.

We're waiting! Or are you gonna run away?

 

[pensivepoet]

I go out next year, go through the qualifying tourneys and find myself in golf's U.S. Open.
Miracle of miracles, I win.
A company named Nikey says they want to pay me a million dollars to represent them the next year.
I start saying off the wall things that are contrary to Nikey's public position, while wearing their hat and T-shirt.
They warn me. I blow them off.
Do they have the right to fire me? I say they have every right.
Being a spokesman and representative of ESPN is not the same as pulling 3rd shift at the local factory.
He is entitled to his opinions.
Entitled to express said opinions.
ESPN is entitled to say he no longer works for us.
IMO

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

I had no idea ESPN was the "Congress" mentioned in the First Amendment.

Please, go on - explain to us how that is, lest you be seen as yet ANOTHER jackass who invokes the Constitution of our country while having zero idea about how it works.

We're waiting! Or are you gonna run away?

I'm not running. I'm well aware how the Constitution works. However, I'm also well aware how police in Ferguson, Cleveland & a million other cities have used the Brotherhood of Badges (& people stupid enough to believe the cops are really their protectors) to assure that people who commit crimes (murder) may never even go to trial for it/them, & get acquitted if they do.

This is just ESPN doing something that should be against the law of the nation it's based in... All people should be punished for breaking laws, but all laws are open to interpretation.

 

[Que]

I think (as I wrote before) that his playing career & the channel that terminated him are both located in the US, where you have freedom of speech.

I already explained what that means in my prior post, & that means the network fired him for exercising a Constitutional right.

National laws overrule company policies; That is also not hard to understand.

The constitution gives you the right to speak without the goverment and only the government shutting you up.

Freedom of association guarantees the right of anyone or any company to disassociate themselves from him, you or me if the ydon't care for what we have to say.

You have the right to speak, I din't have to listen, provide you with an overturned soapbox or megaphone.

 

[doctor_insanus]

It's cool that you have your own little interpretation of "Freedom of Speech."

It doesn't have anything to do with what's in the Constitution, but I'm guessing that doesn't matter.

He was a representative of a corporation. He was punished and warned several times for his abominable behavior, and he chose to continue with it.

Fuck him.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

ESPN is entitled to say he no longer works for us.
IMO

Exactly, & you can have & express that opinion wherever, whenever, & however you choose... But admit it is opinion & not fact.

Didn't they teach this in schools before you hit double-digit ages?!

 

[spacekowboy]

I go out next year, go through the qualifying tourneys and find myself in golf's U.S. Open.
Miracle of miracles, I win.
A company named Nikey says they want to pay me a million dollars to represent them the next year.
I start saying off the wall things that are contrary to Nikey's public position, while wearing their hat and T-shirt.
They warn me. I blow them off.
Do they have the right to fire me? I say they have every right.
Being a spokesman and representative of ESPN is not the same as pulling 3rd shift at the local factory.
He is entitled to his opinions.
Entitled to express said opinions.
ESPN is entitled to say he no longer works for us.
IMO

^^^ this.

Also, this is not the first time he had been warned about shit he says on social media. He was suspended for a bit as well.
It's 100% Okay to be an opinionated asshole. And it is 100% Okay for ESPN to can your ass for saying stupid shit that will cost them money.

Especially when it's been done before.





Also, the bloody sock was total bullshit.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

The constitution gives you the right to speak without the goverment and only the government shutting you up.

Freedom of association guarantees the right of anyone or any company to disassociate themselves from him, you or me if the ydon't care for what we have to say.

Not stopping them. Next time he appears on the channel's programs (same as Brad Pitt on Fallon to promote a film), run a disclaimer at the bottom (like DVDs do before the film regarding commentaries) saying he expresses his opionion & not that of ESPN,... & so on.

But taking him off the channel takes away the place & time he was expressing his opinion.

 

[RoryN]

I'm not running. I'm well aware how the Constitution works. However, I'm also well aware how police in Ferguson, Cleveland...

And now we're taking about cities? You're "running" from your previous assertion.

Now then: did you or did you not incorrectly invoke freedom of speech and the Constitution, above? And, if your answer is "no", explain why.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

And now we're taking about cities? You're "running" from your previous assertion.

Now then: did you or did you not incorrectly invoke freedom of speech and the Constitution, above? And, if your answer is "no", explain why.

I'm not running from anything. I am sticking with what I said before. You are attacking me & so if anyone is running from what they said, it is you.

Cities, states, countries... All of the places I mentioned are in the USA where the laws of that country apply over any "policy" held by one company also based in the USA.

 

[Que]

Not stopping them. Next time he appears on the channel's programs (same as Brad Pitt on Fallon to promote a film), run a disclaimer at the bottom (like DVDs do before the film regarding commentaries) saying he expresses his opionion & not that of ESPN,... & so on.

But taking him off the channel takes away the place & time he was expressing his opinion.

No one is required to give you a platform to speak.

If ut is your soapbox they cannot silence you.

If they own the venue, they can turn off your mike. Turn off the lights and esvort you out to a public space where people are free to listen or ignore you as they choose.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

No one is required to give you a platform to speak.

If ut is your soapbox they cannot silence you.

If they own the venue, they can turn off your mike. Turn off the lights and esvort you out to a public space where people are free to listen or ignore you as they choose.

All agreed.

However, this is about about the actions of a network, not a venue. Also, seeing the linked post again, it was due to a post on Facebook. ESPN may have a page (or even several), but they don't own it, nor do they have the right to decide what is & isn't allowed to be posted on any pages other than their own. Nor do they have any right to end a man's job with them on a page they have no ownership of.

 

[RoryN]

Cities, states, countries... All of the places I mentioned are in the USA where the laws of that country apply over any "policy" held by one company also based in the USA.

Straw man argument. The problem is that you haven't demonstrated you have a clue as to what the First Amendment means, and where it applies. Which is hilarious.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Straw man argument. The problem is that you haven't demonstrated you have a clue as to what the First Amendment means, and where it applies. Which is hilarious.

What's hilarious is you continue to make claims about what I do or do not (in your opinion) know, & what I may or may not be doing. As I stated before, this is to get the minds/eyes off the fact I'm continuing to make similar statements which are all correct, whereas you are... Making statements about me & not the topic, which is proof you know your prior statements are not.

EDIT: Why is the LDB claiming the last post in this thread was the prior one made by the L-D thread-starter?!

 

[RoryN]

I'm continuing to make similar statements which are all correct, .

Ithe network fired him for exercising a Constitutional right.

National laws overrule company policies.

Which "national law" states ESPN can't fire him for exercising his freedom of speech?

The First Amendment says no such thing, so which law is it?