Enough is Enough

[lavender]

 

[Guest]

I think we need to let the Lavy & Co stuff die.

I agree.

 

[Fenix]

I agree too. It's not the kind of stuff a new person to the boards likes to read.

 

[Weevil]

As one of the founding members of the triad I have to disagree with you Lav. WD was bitching about the way that other members post. I don't think people should do that. He was being a jerk and he deserved a verbal slapping.

As to the general point it's the way we post, so fuck the folks who don't dig it. I can't help it if WD only wants people to post things like "Condit is really DB Sweeney" or what have you. Let him sit on it so to speak. EHHHHHHH!!!!

 

[Laurel]

My $0.02 on "cliques", "& Co."s, etc.:

I don't think people should stop posting a certain way because others feel "excluded". Those who feel excluded need to step up and get involved in the conversation. The reason that a certain group of people get so much attention on the BB - mentions in polls, mentions on other threads, etc. - is that they spend a lot of time & effort posting and interacting with others. For someone to not get involved in conversations then get pissed about "cliques" is ridiculous. There are no cliques here. There's a bunch of folks who post. If you don't get involved, that's YOUR choice. If you do get involved, you'll find a place amidst the chaos & silliness. But it's your choice.

That's MHO. Flame away!

 

[Starfish]

You know, that would be fine, and I will bite, but it is bullshit that people can't either join in or move on themselves..


Little fucking babies....

I tried to get everyone to play a silly, but fun game, and I was mostly ignored.

I am tired of trying to make fun for uptight, bitchy people who can't make a single fucking desicion to skip shit then, without being vocal about it.

I am done trying to make you all smile...

fuck it.

 

[Siren]

Lavy & C0. came out of a lighthearted way to turn a negative insult into a joke

 

[Laurel]

Final thought: this BB is here for everyone. You don't like what someone has to say, you are free to call them a hoser, an asshole, a bitch, a poopoohead, or whatever you wish. But we must all keep in mind that they have as much right to enjoy the BB as you do. Their idea of enjoyment may be different than yours, but it's no less valid. You don't like what you see? Start your own thread. Make your own conversation. When you see a thread you dig, join in. There's room here for all of us to discusss what we wish without silencing each other.

Todd's voice is just as valuable as EBW's. WriterDom has as much right to speak his mind as Starfish or lavender or Tiggs. I'd hate to see anyone stop participating because others told them to shut up.

 

[crystalhunting]

ARRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH


I give up.....anything I say is regarded as shit-stirring...even when I put options on goofy polls for anyone that thinks I'm full of shit.


It's either "You are a stupid ass"...or "You forgot someone"..Hell I even tried to put one for each side...to be fair...


Now I have EBW calling me stupid...and I'm not even familar with his opinions....and others saying it's ridiculous


Any attempt at civil debate turns into a shouting match{yes I am guilty of that as well}.....So I have noticed that any discussion has to be thrown out there with some degree of subtle humor.

And it still fails.


I am not as eloquent as the others that are here,so I do what I can.


Lavender...I will let it die for your sake today,We don't need you feeling responsible for others actions or words.


CH

 

[Laurel]

CH, smile! Have a Twinkie! *offers one to CH*

 

[doctor_insanus]

Laurel

You're a poopoohead! Nyah!

 

[Siren]

I agree Laurel

 

[bluntforcemama]

I think I have to agree with Lavendar on this one. It seems that everytime our "Lit family" encompasses a member who actually has an opinion, they get flamed by everyone who opposes them. And it's not just about Lavendar, there are others who get shit slung at them for vocalizing their own views instead of adopting the "mob mentality" and ganging up because they don't want to stir any shit. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in, and shit stirring to me, to try and either run off someone, or muffle them, is a form of oppression. We're all guilty of it at some point or another, but I think that we should be aware of what we do, what sort of reaction our words will have on the other party. Insensitivity and selfishness seem to run free with some of the shit stirrers. Feelings get hurt, and I know that some of us are intentionally trying to hurt other members. I see this far too often, and I find it very childish (I'm not saying that I'm excused from it), disgusting, ashamed, and unfair.

We ARE adults, and some of us are acting like jealous little kids who have to share their toys. Time to grow up and take what some people say with a grain of salt, whether you agree with it or not. If you're only trying to hurt someone with your posts, then perhaps you should rethink how you would feel if you were personally attacked in the way that you find so "fun."

And while you're reading this, you think that I can't possibly be refering to you, think again. We are ALL guilty of this. Take a good look at yourself, you might find something you don't like there.

 

[Siren]

I like what you said here Myst-ery

 

[SirGalahad67]

I think I have to agree with Lavendar on this one. It seems that everytime our "Lit family" encompasses a member who actually has an opinion, they get flamed by everyone who opposes them. And it's not just about Lavendar, there are others who get shit slung at them for vocalizing their own views instead of adopting the "mob mentality" and ganging up because they don't want to stir any shit. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in, and shit stirring to me, to try and either run off someone, or muffle them, is a form of oppression. We're all guilty of it at some point or another, but I think that we should be aware of what we do, what sort of reaction our words will have on the other party. Insensitivity and selfishness seem to run free with some of the shit stirrers. Feelings get hurt, and I know that some of us are intentionally trying to hurt other members. I see this far too often, and I find it very childish (I'm not saying that I'm excused from it), disgusting, ashamed, and unfair.

We ARE adults, and some of us are acting like jealous little kids who have to share their toys. Time to grow up and take what some people say with a grain of salt, whether you agree with it or not. If you're only trying to hurt someone with your posts, then perhaps you should rethink how you would feel if you were personally attacked in the way that you find so "fun."

And while you're reading this, you think that I can't possibly be refering to you, think again. We are ALL guilty of this. Take a good look at yourself, you might find something you don't like there.

I agree with you here Myst honey, (and with Lavendar too, for a change). Enough is enough. But that won't stop some folks.....

Sir G

 

[Samuari]

You know irt seems to me that one of the cycles that the board goes through is on of 'edgieness'. Where anything that can be taken in a negitive way is and to the farthest extream possable. I know that I have been guilty of assuming a joke was an insult, and posting a what I thought was clearly a joke only to find out that some one was very insulted. I keep forgeting that you can't see the twinkle in my eye, or hear the chuckle in my voice. so of course you should be reading my mind, if you can find it.

*Exit stage left singing If I Only Had a Brain*

 

[Dillinger]

Posted on those threads before I saw this...

So...

Hmmm...

well... now - do I have an opinion? When have I not? Does anyone care? Do I care if anyone cares?

That's the meat of the potato of the problem. Mostly I'm going to say what the fuck I want to... otherwise I might as well leave. And I don't have any intention of doing that.

Hey lavy - you're basically right. This mean-spirited stuff comes and goes and there aren't many here who are innocent - including myself. Sometimes I forget my own advice and forget to step away before posting.

I didn't appreciate the implications of the polls or the threads - I chose to react by making light of them and trying and turn them into so fun. Because I know that these things just escalate otherwise.

Obviously there are some ill feelings going round. For those of you who don't like what other people post - Deal with it! You have the freedom to post what you want and interact with whoever you want (assuming they want to interact with you). You can also "ignore" them - manually or technically.

Lavy, Siren, any other "and co." - DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE STOP POSTING what you feel like because you're worried about what someone else might think of your post.

This is some of the same kind of stuff that caused other's to leave this site... take a breath people... a long deep one...

The worst thing ANYONE here could do is to stop being themselves.

 

[Siren]

Thats why Dilly makes me wet

 

[Never]

lavender:
"I don't want to monopolize this board. It's not my board, it's not a small groups' board. It's an open board for everyone."

Is it really? You mean I have your permission to post now?

This is going to sound snide but someone's pumped your head full of hot air if you think that people weren't posting because of you, or people couldn't possibly have fun while 'Lavender & Co.' existed.

Take an honest look at the board right now, how many threads have nothing to do with you (and Co.)? How many posts have nothing to do with you (and Co.)?

I realize you're talking this personally and it's difficult to be objective, but the majority of people on this board don't care one way or another. Look at how many posters/readers we have on any given day. Now realize that there might be, at most, fifteen people who give a fuck one way or the other about 'Lavender & Co.'


Laurel:
Yes, there are cliques. Lit is not immune to human reality.
There will always be cliques. There will always be people in cliques saying there are no cliques. There will always be people in cliques complaining about not being able to get into another's cliques.

And yes, you're in one too. I KNOW you hate the idea but you are. Sorry.
If you're in denial about it join AA.
If you feel guilty join the Catholic church.

 

[Ambrosious]

3 Questions

Who is Lavy and Co?
Cliques?
Laurel, can I pet your pussy?

 

[SirGalahad67]

Re: 3 Questions

Who is Lavy and Co?
Cliques?
Laurel, can I pet your pussy?

Ambro old buddy!! Where have you been?
your evil, racist, meanie, conservative friend Sir G (at least that's what some folks here say, be sure to inform Fantasy Goddess for me

 

[Renegade]

Cliques?

It's the sound made when someone flips on a switch.

 

[Ambrosious]

Sir G!

You're a racist?
These people are rich. Don't worry, I was called racist here once too by the biggest bitch I have ever met. She didn't know any better. That is the best way most people can get out of losing a debate.

Or, you're sexist.

Sir G---racist, sexist pig.

LOL

 

[SirGalahad67]

Re: Sir G!

You're a racist?
These people are rich. Don't worry, I was called racist here once too by the biggest bitch I have ever met. She didn't know any better. That is the best way most people can get out of losing a debate.

Or, you're sexist.

Sir G---racist, sexist pig.

LOL

Thanks Buddy, I feel better already.

Now if my memory will just come back on those 80's songs, dammit.

 

[Laurel]

Originally posted by Never Take an honest look at the board right now, how many threads have nothing to do with you (and Co.)? How many posts have nothing to do with you (and Co.)?

With all due respect, who is out there tying people's hands behind their backs, preventing them from starting whatever threads they wish? Why is it "& Co."s fault if they're the only ones who choose to participate?

I like reading from a wide variety of posters, but who's to blame when only a handful will participate? Is it fair to for the silent, lazy people to demonize those who make the effort? Explain to me, dear Never, how getting one's panties in a wad because others start "too many" threads but not taking the initiative to start their own threads is productive or fair.

If one is going to sit on one's ass and wait for someone to post something one is interested in, that's one's decision. But realize that's YOUR choice - don't then turn around and whine because you don't like the fact that a handful of people make up the majority of the active threads when you won't take the time to open your mouth. If you don't like what you read, get off your ass and post about something. You can't expect to be involved in a conversation without saying a word. That's how conversation works - people talk, others respond.

Laurel: Yes, there are cliques. Lit is not immune to human reality. There will always be cliques. There will always be people in cliques saying there are no cliques. There will always be people in cliques complaining about not being able to get into another's cliques.

And yes, you're in one too. I KNOW you hate the idea but you are. Sorry. If you're in denial about it join AA. If you feel guilty join the Catholic church. [/B]

LOL! If being friendly to people means I'm "in a clique", then I really don't know what to say. In my experience, a "clique" is an exclusionary group of people. I've yet to see anyone who is excluded from posting on the BB by a Mysterious Evil Clique. Explain to me how I've been exclusionary. And does that mean that everyone who's ever been nice to anyone anywhere is in a "clique"? If so, then I'm going to suggest that you substitute "friendly" for "cliquish" and "friends" for "cliques", because those words are closer to your definitions.

The "clique" thing has been bandied about since the beginning of this BB (and, I'm sure, since the beginning of all BB's). I think it's an excuse people use to avoid being brave and posting their opinions to a group of people they don't know very well. "They're so meeeaann!" Everyone's been new on this BB. It's hard for everyone to make that first post. That's life. Blaming the Big Bad World for our own insecurities may make us feel better, but it doesn't change a damn thing.

Laurel, can I pet your pussy?

Absolutely, Ambro...but do it gently...